I'm 32 and not ready to die - anyone else care to demonstrate it's not just older people this will hit hardest?

[Helenshielding]

I keep seeing posts by people saying they dont think we should be on lockdown to protect older people who will "die next year anyway" or similar.

Here's the thing, over 70s are not "old" these days. People can live well into their 80s, 90s and 100s now.

I'm 32, I've survived cancer (which is now clear- it is not a case of it being controlled, it's been gone for 10 years), I happen to have some lung damage. I dont know what my life expectancy is, but I know it's not 33.

So if you're moaning about socially distancing etc for older adults, stop. You're doing it to prevent deaths of all ages. Younger people with no underlying conditions are dying of this virus.

Stay home. Shut up. Stop moaning. We will all get through this a hell of a lot quicker.

[WhineWineWhineWineWhineWine]

I think that those who are vulnerable and old should be very grateful to those giving up their lives short term and, for many, putting their ambitions on indefinite hold
So @larrygrylls my young DS should just wave good bye and my DH should just happily die and drown with his lungs filling with fluid, knowing we will not only lose him but our home, our family our life as we know It?
I guess you and yours are relatively fit and healthy then, a case of I’m alright jack, apart from the olds in your family who are obviously dispensable.

[FlipperSkipper]

Really @larrygrylls ? Really? I’m vulnerable due to kidney disease. I’m 40, with a 3 year old child. My life is also on hold, I cannot do my job, I cannot see my parents, and you know what? I’m happy to do that if fewer people die. This kills ‘healthy’ people too.

[zaffa]

Completely agree! I don't have any underlying health conditions and most likely will survive, but I'm staying home and social distancing and accepting the change in circumstances that we will have at the end of this financially because lives are so much more important than money. Please stay safe each and every person on this thread, whether you're 32 or 92.

[diddl]

I didn't think that the point of lockdown was to protect older people.

I thought that they were supposed to be isolating as much as possible & lockdown was to try to then have as few people about as possible to slow the spread amongst those who have to be out & about.

[bananainpjs]

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8173253/Boy-13-dies-testing-positive-coronavirus-London-hospital-fundraiser-says.html

[alloutoffucks]

@raspberryk In the England and Wales about quarter of a million people die every year from all causes. Car accidents, strokes, cancer, accidents, still births, everything.
The estimate was that in the whole of the UK if the government did nothing, half a million people would die of this virus. So yes far far more than die in car accidents.
And Xenia has said quite openly on MN that she would prefer people to die and the economy to be in better shape. In fact she actually said she would prefer people to die rather than exams for teenagers be cancelled. So yes there are people saying this.

And those of us on this thread have read comments like that. We know some people would happily let us all die and leave our kids without a mum, than have this short term pain.

[Madhairday]

Thanks Lissette.

[Madhairday]

Oh @bananainpjs that poor boy and his poor family

[larrygrylls]

Mad hair,

Apparently children’s wards and PICU are exceptionally quiet, they are under no strain.

It is a convenient fiction that we are protecting ‘everyone’. We will lose lives from the economic dislocation following this, maybe more than we would have from the disease.

Yes, anyone can die but, statistically, it is the young making sacrifices to protect the old.

As I said, I am in favour of 2-3 months of this to get organised and understand the virus better. After that, I think we do need to start getting back to as normal a life as possible.

And I am older than the 0.2% risk, I know it might be me who is a victim. We have to forget the idea we are immortal. We never were, it just felt like it.

[BanKittenHeels]

I should be grateful that people people are staying at home “for me” whilst chatting about how expendable I am?

[meonekton]

Well, if what Lallygrylls says is what people think generally, this country is f**d. There are no understanding, sympathy or anything.
Kind of sad to read her comment, sounds like she feels no shame in saying it.

[Hamiltoes]

I don't think I have seen or heard anyone on here or RL who doesn't think that high risk persons should be shielded completely.
There are a people who think there shouldn't be this mass hysteria and complete lockdown for those of us who are low risk.

Completely agree.

And I don't think that's a selfish attitude either.

I would be saying exactly the same if the ones most likely to die were healthy twenty year olds (myself). They should be completely shielded with their families, and resources should be thrown at them so they can make it through this.

This makes WAY more sense to me than half-heartedly throwing resources at... certain groups. I don't know a soul who has benefited from furlough. Everyone I know is either out at work (presenteeism mostly) or been sacked.

People are allowed to question if locking down the entire population - many of which are extremely low risk - and all the resulting financial burden, lost jobs, homelessness, mental health issues, and trashing of the economy for years to come is worth it. That categorically does not mean I think the elderly and vulnerable should be thrown under a bus!! It's completely the opposite. I think we should be shielding and caring for those most as risk from the virus.

Apparently this was the Govs plan and they U turned. I would like to see the cold hard facts that made them decide lockdown for the entire nation was the better option.

[underneaththeash]

Thing is OP - you and your family need to stay inside to protect you (I'm sure that's what you're all doing).
But when the NHS is fully geared up, you need some healthy individuals to get the virus for some immunity otherwise we're going to need to be in lockdown until there is a vaccine.
There are not going to be half a million deaths - if all the vulnerable people and their families stay inside as the death rate is very very low for healthy younger people.
If we're locked down for 12 months, there is not going to be a decent economy to support social or health care.

[Madhairday]

Yes, I've read lots of comments like those mentioned. Ive read people saying that we should just let the virus rip through the population because those who get it don't have much of a life anyway and would probably prefer to get it and for than for society to go into recession. Repeatedly.

[Helenshielding]

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/a3864601-Rest-uk-should-follow-NI-and-Irish-Republic-on-total-lockdown?msg_id=95117514#95117514

Stormy clouds 2339

[midgebabe]

They thought about just locking down the vulnerable

Calculated the death rate in the remaining population

And realised it would bust the NHS

[Madhairday]

*get it and die

[BanKittenHeels]

We need to consider the greater good.
What’s that then @Xenia?
Stop the lockdown at 3 weeks? Leave the vulnerable to die in our homes? Let the NHS completely fail?

[alloutoffucks]

Sorry taht first sentence should say half a million people die

[Isla727]

Thank you OP. It's so awful of people to say those things- even 70, 80 year olds might have 10-20 years to live.

[larrygrylls]

Mad hair,

Recession= lost lives, lots of them. Maybe you are too rich to care (everyone’s selfishness takes a different form) but, if no tax is being paid, the NHS will get worse and worse, old people will die of cold every winter, families won’t be able to feed themselves properly etc etc.

[LyingWitchInTheWardrobe]

meonekton, that's the thing though, it seems that only the doom-spreaders and complainers have the right to post anything at the moment. People who have posted questions about whether the can go here or there (rather than just getting on with it) were torn apart and harried off the boards.

Nobody is allowed to say that their lives are turned upside down because the 'whataboutery' floods in. What's the point? Nobody can post about anything other than doomsday threads.

You'd be wrong to perceive people as 'strong' just because they post robustly. I'm heart sick of this type of thread and the self-indulgent whining of posters like the OP telling other people to shut up. It's not on.

The old and vulnerable have nothing to be grateful for either, they're perceived as an 'annoyance' which makes me so, so angry.

[Xenia]

The Government and doctors on a daily basis decide the greater good. It is never an easy thing. I don't have the answer but it will always be a balance. A lot more people are currently losing everything they ever worked for to save presumably fewer than the 500,000 who currently die in the UK each year.

[bobstersmum]

Totally agree with you op! Anyone that says it's OK for older people to die is a selfish wanker!
Those people are human beings, entitled to life as much as anyone else, they are someone's mum, dad, brother, sister, son or daughter even. It breaks my heart to think of these nameless people dying daily, mostly without family by their sides. We need to stick to the rules and save as many lives as we can, and hope that there is a vaccine or drug that treats covid19 really soon.

[BigChocFrenzy]

The greater good
Just today:

UK's youngest coronavirus victim announced as boy, 13, with no underlying health conditions

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/breaking-uks-youngest-coronavirus-victim-21789319

Teenager, 19, with no underlying health conditions among 393 killed by coronavirus

https://metro.co.uk/2020/03/31/teenager-19-no-underlying-health-conditions-among-393-killed-coronavirus-12484546/