How the hell do I get through to my sister?

[Afternooninthepark]

My sister is a cleaner working in people’s homes.
One of her clients had a ‘cold’ for the last two weeks so she hasn’t been in their home during that time. She has just found out that it was in fact Covid-19 and so very sadly, yesterday the gentleman passed away.
My sister last went into their home 16 days ago and seems to believe that she wouldn’t have been exposed to the virus. I’ve tried explaining that it has an incubation period of anything from a few days to 14 or so days so she could easily have been infected and that she must now self isolate (and her partner) for 14 days.
She said she was still planning on cleaning for a few clients next week. I am also concerned that she cleaned for a 90 year old lady I walk a dog for, on Wednesday and has visited our parents (mum has Alzheimer’s and chronic lymphocytic leukaemia which puts her at high risk). I had previously told her I was FaceTiming mum and dad and she should do the same but obviously hasn’t done the same.
I have insisted it is imperative that she distance herself now but she isn’t listening, she and her partner think I’m overreacting.
She was in my house last Thursday, I will now need to self isolate with my children and so will my husband who is still at work as he is a key worker.
I feel I am banging my head against the wall, how the hell do I get through to her??

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It's not your job to convince her. You've told her, she hasn't listened. Put it in writing or print out the official guidelines you feel she needs to follow, and send it to her. Don't spend time with her, or let anyone who will listen to you spend time with her. We can't take responsibility for other people's social distancing.

Do what you can, from a safe distance, and let her decide what to do for herself. Getting stressed weakens the immune system. Nobody needs to do that to themselves right now.

We've stopped our cleaner from coming (still paying her).

It's non-essential work.

I'm pretty confident we're interpreting the rules correctly.

Do you not understand that if you have been in recent contact with someone who you know has the virus, you may have it yourself and be able to pass it on, whilst being asymptomatic? So bloody self isolate, for everyone's good. Seriously! This is contagious and causing deaths. So much stupid.

She was in contact with him 16 days ago. There is not, and never has been, advice to self isolate for more than 14 days after contact with someone who has tested positive.

Well, technically she’s past the isolation stage, but all the people she came in contact with could now have it, so they should be staying away from them. (Is it about 10% of carriers have no symptoms?).

No you are not interpreting the guidelines or LAW correctly if you think there is essential or non essential work and that you need to self-isolate if you came into contact with someone that has or may have had CV.

The NHS would fucking collapse overnight if that was the case. And is already struggling due to a huge anount of the workforce self isolating due to symptoms which may or not be COVID, most likely not.

In the abscence of symptoms, you don't self-isolate.

STOP making shit up.

You DO NOT need to self isolate just because someone you know and have had contact with is or has been in contact with a confirmed case. If that was the case the whole NHS would collapse. I work for the NHS and we have today had an email to clarify this.

Of course it's entirely up to you if you choose to self isolate anyway but you can't tell others to do the same if it's not what has been advised.

You DO need to self isolate if you or someone in your household has symptoms.

In your sisters case the 14 days has passed so even if the guidence was for her to self isolate the time has passed already.

What she does need to do is better social distancing which it sounds like she isn't.

A relative of mine is a cleaner- she has stopped all non essential clients and is only visiting those for shopping/help if they have no other support.

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Stating the blooming' obvious..When accurate tests come out, it will be so much better...
I like countless others have been self isolating because of a persistent sore throat, tickly cough..dull headache ..but it 'could' just be a bog standard cold.
The thing is...no one knows, so to protect the vulnerable, we have to remain indoors with ''red crosses'' painted on our doors...Lucky are those who have a garden, even a tiny one, but cleaning, dotting about to different houses would be a risk.

Regardless when the poor gentleman passed away if she's generally pratting about and not following the guidelines I'd be fucking furious if she was my sister visiting my parents...

Thanks, @oakleaffy, for putting it so well. We need to care for the whole community, not just ourselves and our nearest and dearest. I hope I'm wrong, but looking at the spread in the ROW, the UK is nowhere near the worst case scenario today. By God, I hope I'm wrong and stupid. I'd be grateful to be called a scaremonger if I'm reading the runes from elsewhere wrong.

It is 7 days self isolating for the person with symptoms and 14 for the people they live with.If your sister has no symptoms no need to self -isolate now. Carers visiting older people often do cleaning and that is continuing

@AngryPrincess

Well, technically she’s past the isolation stage, but all the people she came in contact with could now have it, so they should be staying away from them. (Is it about 10% of carriers have no symptoms?)

First, there is no evidence yet that someone showing no symptoms are carriers. Because no one who has no symptoms have been tested!
If anyone she has been in contact with since will almost certainly caught it from someone else if indeed they have caught it.

Well given she can't work from home she is going out to work. There is no edict yet saying key workers only can work so she is going out to work. Not saying this is right of course but doing a grocery shop is riskier.

No edict either saying she should self isolate because she worked with somebody who has it, they weren't in her home.

She saw him 16 days ago and 14 days is the self-isolation period, so she is right that she can go to work if she wants to. Whether you think she should or not is irrelevant - following the government guidelines she can.

When did the advice come out that folk have to self-isolate after being near to someone else who was infectious (not a household member)? I missed that.

This was definitely the original advice for people who'd been in close contact with a confirmed case, about 3/4 weeks ago. It even included definitions of what close contact was.

I don't know if it's still advice but if not, I think they probably parked it as they stopped testing people so there weren't really any confirmed cases

Give us a link, nanbread? Should be easy to find that official advice in newspapers, just use News option under Google search. You can even limit the search tool setting to specific dates, 3-4 weeks ago. I'm sure it won't take you long.

The info I read was on the govt coronavirus website - obviously that has now changed.

I know exactly what it said because I cut and pasted it into a work policy document.

If you need to see a link it sounds like you know how to use Google already so won't need me to do it for you?

I get the not being able to work from home, but you aren't supposed to go into someone else's house unless it's an emergency eg water leak, no heating or electricity.

Where does it say that whatnametopick? This is all I can find on the gov.uk website.

Work carried out in people’s homes, for example by tradespeople carrying out repairs and maintenance, can continue, provided that the tradesperson is well and has no symptoms. Again, it will be important to ensure that Public Health England guidelines, including maintaining a 2 metre distance from any household occupants, are followed to ensure everyone’s safety

No work should be carried out in any household which is isolating or where an individual is being shielded, unless it is to remedy a direct risk to the safety of the household, such as emergency plumbing or repairs, and where the tradesperson is willing to do so. In such cases, Public Health England can provide advice to tradespeople and households

I get the not being able to work from home, but you aren't supposed to go into someone else's house unless it's an emergency eg water leak, no heating or electricity

I do wish people would stop making shit up