Nanny during lockdown

[Bananasplease]

Ok so I fully expect to get flamed for this and I know that others have bigger problems!
DH and I are classed as key workers (justice) but are able to work from home most of the time. We have 2 children (4 and almost 1) and a part time nanny. Our eldest normally also goes to nursery but we stopped that over a week ago. Our nanny has still been coming to us and only taking the children out for short walks away from others over the last week. Now that a lockdown has been announced what do we do?? Do we cancel her but how on earth do we manage on the occasions when we will both have Court commitments (most likely by video or phone) at the same time. I want to do the right thing but I don't know how on earth we manage Court work with 2 kids in the house?

Childcare for key workers so nanny can come. I wouldn’t have her going between different households though.

And by the way 1 year olds won’t generally just sit in front of the telly.

It's really simple. Either nanny stays with you or you have no nanny. The guidance is stay at home. Households do not mix. It's that stark.

No it’s not. People are getting confused because a nanny’s workplace is a house. The rule is that you can go to work if you can’t work from home. A nanny can’t work from home.

And no, there is no requirement that the work outside the home be essential work. The wording on gov.co.uk is clear:

Travelling to and from work, but only where this absolutely cannot be done from home.

A nanny at work in a family mixes with fewer people than many others who will still be going to work.

The prohibition is on social mixing of households.

So would you want to move into your work? this is ridiculous, we don't know how long this is going to go on for - we are being told it will be reviewed in 3 weeks but so you really think it will be over in 3 weeks?

What Aardvark said. Read the advice everyone. If you can’t wfh you can go to work. Nannies cannot, therefore they can go to work whether their employer is a key worker or not.

The level of vitriol from some posters is embarrassing - you should be ashamed of yourselves.

"It's really simple. Either nanny stays with you or you have no nanny. The guidance is stay at home. Households do not mix. It's that stark."

*No it’s not. People are getting confused because a nanny’s workplace is a house. The rule is that you can go to work if you can’t work from home. A nanny can’t work from home.
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And no, there is no requirement that the work outside the home be essential work. The wording on gov.co.uk is clear:

Travelling to and from work, but only where this absolutely cannot be done from home.

A nanny at work in a family mixes with fewer people than many others who will still be going to work.
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^ This. Evidently the government needs to make the advice even clearer for all the people on this thread who decided they were experts but clearly didn't get it

I want to know how we know OP is a lawyer. I work in justice, but I'm not a lawyer. Did someone go trawling through her previous posts to make a point that was wrong anyway?

She says totally missing the point.

It really isn’t that black and white!
Some very bitter, strange responses.

Not everyone that has a nanny is rolling in money! It takes a significant amount of my monthly take home pay. If I don’t earn myself, how am I expected to pay?!

Detailed guidance says:
“ ...people will only be allowed to leave their home for the following very limited purposes....

Travelling to and from work, but only where this absolutely cannot be done from home’

It doesn’t mention key workers.

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/874738/Full_guidance_on_staying_at_home_and_away_from_others.pdf

Aardvark You miss our the fact that people should only travel to work if their work is absolutely essential. Three adults looking after two small children is not absolutely essential. There is no way that these two people will be working full-time for the foreseeable future. It is also stated that people should only work if they can keep at least 2m apart from other people. Good luck doing that as a nanny.
Most people in their profession have understood that their working life has changed profoundly. That’s because the courts are not sitting full time for the foreseeable future. That is a fact. The OP is clinging onto the fact that a few days ago people involved in the criminal justice system were described as key workers. Things have moved on since then in that the courts have wound down (fact, which the OP has argued, wrongly, isn’t true). There is an agenda going on here for some reasons. She could easily return her work to a colleague or even her DH. It’s baffling that she is still ‘confused.’

Also, if you look at the definition of key workers nannies are not included! I am being accused of being bitter. I am not bitter at all. My personal circumstances are very good. I am however angry that people still aren’t applying common sense to this situation and believe that they are so special that the rules which apply to all of us, don’t apply to them!

I am a nanny and although to begin with it was agreed I would work I have now been told not to come in. You are supposed to stay 2 metres apart from anyone you don’t live with. This is impossible to adhere to as a nanny. My bosses work but aren’t key workers. At the end of the day neither side would ever forgive themselves if they passed on the disease with hideous consequences.

Exactly right bjoneareborn. One single person can infect 59,000 people. If the mortality rate is 1%, that’s 590 people who have died unnecessarily. That is the very harsh reality of what we are dealing with.

Aardvark You miss our the fact that people should only travel to work if their work is absolutely essential.

@LancashirePeeler no I do not miss that. That does not form part of the rule.

The list of key workers is for the purpose of determining who has access to childcare in school and nursery settings.

The government has not closed non-essential businesses that still need people to work on site. It has closed non-essential retail/hospitality businesses to stop the public congregating in them.

Yes it does Ardvaark! It couldn’t be any clearer!

Travelling to and from work, but only where this absolutely cannot be done from home.

Where does this say your work has to be “essential” @LancashirePeeler?

That is direct from the printed government guidance. Any gloss put on the rules in other sources (press, TV news, Mumsnet) is just someone’s interpretation.

There is no gloss. Look at the transcript of the PM’s speech last night.

You do realise that the government has an army of people whose job is to draft the law? If they meant work to be essential they would have said “travelling to and from essential work”.

No Lancashire it doesn’t. It says they should travel only if they absolutely cannot work from home.

@LancashirePeeler the written guidance is the primary source. If it conflicts with what BoJo said, it prevails because, with the best will in the world, a politician cannot give an exhaustive statement of the rules orally. So he says his stuff then you go to the written rules for the full details.

And if the work is absolutely necessary.’

I think that you’ll find that the courts will be significantly less busy. I have already heard of cases being cancelled because of witnesses, lawyers or members of the jury being ill or in self isolation.

“Necessary” is not the same as “essential”. What this means is that the element of your job that is done outside the home is necessary to do your job. So a face to face business meeting to agree a contract- not necessary. Being in the room to stop a child injuring himself- necessary.

Oh dear god. I truly give up.

Lancashire you seem very invested in this. You are wrong. Just accept it.

No I’m not bloody wrong