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Japan isn’t doing major testing or lockdowns?

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UsedUpUsername · 20/03/2020 11:38

I’ve been puzzled by posters claiming that we are two weeks behind Italy. Can we really say that? A lot is made of South Korea’s testing, but Japan has not rolled out testing for the masses.

The metro is packed, restaurants are open, no lockdowns and afaik even travel to China is only restricted to the provinces in and around Wuhan.

Some say it’s because Japan is hygienic and people don’t shake hands and maintain personal distance. Or that they have less of the secondary diseases that are actually huge risk factors. All of it is guesswork for the moment.

Maybe these are all apple and orange comparisons and no one has all the answers here! Why is coronavirus exploding in Italy and Spain and not Japan?

www.economictimes.com/news/international/world-news/a-coronavirus-explosion-was-expected-in-japan-where-is-it/amp_articleshow/74724091.cms

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Glaceon · 23/03/2020 09:43

Wuhan locked down after 30 deaths. Korea locked down early on. The Japanese will listen to their government like the chinese and koreans.

We cant be compared to them because we arent behaving like them. The reason we are being compared to italy is because we are doi g exactly what they did.

Glaceon · 23/03/2020 09:43

Sorry I meant korea took it seriously I dont think they locked down at all because of this.

user1477391263 · 23/03/2020 09:47

It's to do with group culture issues.

Changing the way things are done in companies is hard because of the preoccupation with consensus, nervousness about standing out, vague feelings that changing practices or throwing out outdated ideas is being rude/unkind about seniors who have been working this way for decades.

The work culture is centered on presenteeism and spending a lot of time hanging out with the group-nobody wants to be the person who leaves the office first. So there is little incentive to speed up work or become more efficient-there is also a tendency to think that spending lots of time on time-consuming work is inherently virtuous or something.

Japan's relative isolation means that there is not much benchmarking with other countries.

Attempts to try and get public schools (for example) to switch to online dashboards and notifications rather than piles of paper coming home have failed, because "Oh dear, there might be one family somewhere who doesn't have a computer or won't learn to use one."

Finally, all Japanese organizations suffer from "silo" tendencies, where people are good at doing their particular job but have little idea what people in other departments are doing.

You can see from this why trying to get systems like teleworking into Japanese companies is hard. People have a hard time dropping the idea that people working from home are "really" working rather than slacking off---they "should" be turning up and hanging out at the company for hours on end. Lots of people have poor computer skills because they have never really been pushed to get any good at them. And teleworking does not work well in organizations where the left hand does not know what the right hand is doing.

dreamingbohemian · 23/03/2020 09:58

It is interesting. I'm in Germany and we are around the same timeline as France and Spain, we also have a high number of cases (we are testing lots of people) but a much lower rate of ICU and death. Only one person has died in Berlin, for example.

It is apparently not true that deaths from the virus are being attributed to underlying causes instead, the RKI has confirmed this.

I also think social customs play a role, here as well there is a big focus on hygiene and not so much physical contact. When we moved here from France my DS went from being ill quite often to hardly never.

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