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Are people you know IRL actually taking this seriously?

322 replies

HouseElfy · 19/03/2020 14:16

Because the people I know generally really aren't. There seems to be a massive disconnect between mumsnet, social media in general, the actual news and what people IRL are doing. Yes, a lot of them are working from home now but other than that they are going shopping, to cafes, seeing friends etc. Just had a phone convo with a work colleague and she said even though the schools are closed now, "of course" they will still have playdates and so on because "kids would go mad" otherwise. My 76 year old granddad and his wife are still queuing for their pensions at the post office and going to their bloody bridge club. My FIL is still playing golf. My father says he is self isolating but then is still inviting visitors round for dinner. My own mother seems incapable of staying indoors longer than a couple of hours at a time and is currently out mooching about the shops.

Is it just me and people I know?!?!

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Leobynature · 20/03/2020 05:50

We taking a balance measure so are most I know. I’m working from home and DD is no longer at nursery. DP has to work (warehouse) we need the money. We are still having contact with my family and will continue to do so. I’m also going food shopping.

BitchHazel · 20/03/2020 05:56

The only other people I know in real life who are taking this as seriously as they should be are my colleagues, my mother and my sister.

Everyone else is still fucking about, coughing all over the place and eye-rolling when I tell them to go home and isolate and follow advice.

When we go into lockdown it'll be these eejits we have to thank for it - both for spreading the virus further and for not having the common sense and awareness to stay the fuck at home of their own accord so now they will need to be forced into it.

SoFuckingAnnoyed · 20/03/2020 06:00

Thanks @FoxEars

In all honesty it’s toughened me up and I’m not pampering his arse anymore.

All his little groans and moans are falling on deaf ears.

Keep safe. 💕

midnightstar66 · 20/03/2020 06:20

No, most people I know are not ... I suspect lockdown will soon end up being enforced as too many people will be ignoring the advice

Icecreamdiva · 20/03/2020 06:22

I think a lot of the reason that people aren’t taking it seriously is there is some inconsistency in the messages we are given. For instance, it’s ok for me to walk down to the local high street and battle round crowded Sainsbury’s to try and buy groceries. And then go back the next day and the day after that because they were sold out of milk/potatoes/washing powder etc. I could even get the bus there and hold on to rails that 100 other people have touched that morning. But it’s not ok for me to stop at a Wetherspoons/Cafe Nero I pass on the way home for a recuperative cider or cappuccino. I can’t go to yoga and lie on a mat 1 m away from my nearest neighbour either or go to church and stand in an otherwise empty pew. They are all a lot emptier than the supermarket. I could observe the 1m rule at those places which hasn’t been the case at Sainsbury’s but somehow one is considered safe enough and the others are an anti-social risk.

I should make it clear here that I’m not going to pubs/restaurants/churches or yoga at the moment. It’s in my nature to follow rules even when I think they are a bit crap so I am restricting myself to the essential supermarket visits but given the lack of consistency in the current guidelines I can understand why some people choose to ignore them.

larrygrylls · 20/03/2020 07:06

Thered,

The problem is people like your family! You think you are taking it seriously but your partner has driven from one London are to another and then e to Cornwall, with people who have highly likely has recent exposure to Covid.

It was just like this in the plague, the rich fleeing London to their country piles, taking the flees with them. I guess people are (generally) selfish when it comes to their own health—-it is basic evolution.

Unfortunately, this time the rich don’t just have country houses but houses all over the world and they have fled with their families to them.

It is not that rich people are intrinsically more selfish than those with less, they just have more options.

Around me (SW London) things are definitely quieter, I would say about 50% quieter. Cafes are still being used but generally with people keeping their distance.

It is, of course, a balancing act and one we have not been used to for over 100 years. It is not the bubonic plague and, ultimately people cannot tolerate isolation forever. So, lives vs the economy (which is also, ultimately lives) is the uncomfortable position all governments have been put in, in an era where people are either perceived as ‘bad’ or ‘good’ with no shades tolerated.

And remember, the idea is to reduce the infection rate below 1 from about 2.5. This does not take complete isolation but reducing contacts by a factor of 2.5. So play dates with the same 3-4 children, seeing a few close friends (when healthy) should be fine. Large gatherings, business meetings, packed bars, restaurants clubs are definitely not fine. It is a shame that people cannot understand this nuanced message so we will probably end in full lockdown.

If there is no vaccine found in a year or so, however, we may end up accepting this as ‘one of those things’ with a regular winter death toll of 10s of thousands of mainly old. Remember, we used to do this up until about 70 years ago, so it would be a return to normal, not a new thing.

ratsel · 20/03/2020 07:14

Mixture of attitudes here.

It’s so hard to isolate when you can’t get basic items in the shop! I ended up going to four shops looking for paracetamol and either bread or bread flour before I gave up. I have plenty of other store cupboard ingredients but no flour of any kind now because it hasn’t been available for weeks. If anyone has any suggestions for cheap fillers for kids other than those that require flour please help me! My default is “have a piece of toast” when they ask for snacks Blush

Other than that I’ve been staying in, apart from taking the children for a quick walk on the deserted beach. Feel as though I shouldn’t be even doing that even though yesterday I saw only two other people from a distance.

My friend is still going to pubs etc for lunch, she says as long as she’s ‘allowed’ she will and didn’t seem willing to comprehend that it’s not about being ‘allowed’. She then said she’d still have my kids over for a play date “it’s just you guys, you’re ok right?”. I said no thanks we’re isolating.

She’s then still going to her mum’s (who has lots of health issues) for Mother’s Day lunch Sad. Says she can’t not see her mum. Well maybe isolate from everyone else then so you stop picking up germs to take to your mum??

Luc1nda · 20/03/2020 07:29

@Leobynature. We are still having contact with my family and will continue to do so. I’m also going food shopping.

I don’t think that this is ok.

kopbop · 20/03/2020 07:31

I think the food shortages are a major issue. Everyone I know is having to go the supermarket every day cos they can't get the stuff they need in one shop or get it online.

Orange89 · 20/03/2020 07:32

@ratsel

I have a friend who is exactly the same, except thinks I’m over reacting and listening to media hype. She knows my dad is very ill. I trying to self isolate myself as much as possible so I can see my father when I need to take him to hospital so I will not be risking meeting up for a chat with my ‘friends’ who can’t see my point of view .

alloutoffucks · 20/03/2020 07:33

@kopbop Exactly. I am convinced that is why so many older people are out at the shops every day. People need to eat.

Ledkr · 20/03/2020 07:38

My family are yes. But others are not I agree.
My work is still digging their heels in and insisting there is Skelton staff office cover even tho its perfectly possible to work from home. There is nothing whatsoever that we can't do at home. My dh has to go to work a she's police so I'd appreciate being able to minimise the exposure to my family rather than make unnecessary trips into the office.

Jumpingforgin · 20/03/2020 07:40

Well I work for a supermarket, so we can social distance as much as possible as a family, but people have still got to eat, and I've still got to go to work. Especially terrifying at the moment when the shops are so crowded from the second they open. I'm also asthmatic, so I don't like the risk I'm putting myself in, but need to get paid, and need to help my local community get something to eat. Would love to shut my family indoors completely and keep us all 100% safe, but it's not an option for us unfortunately.

Ledkr · 20/03/2020 07:49

Jumping. That's how I feel and it's really scary. Sending you lobe and thanks for keeping going.

Ledkr · 20/03/2020 07:50

Love but you can have lobe too if you like Grin

starrysimon · 20/03/2020 07:57

My family are taking it very seriously and have helped out by dropping us shopping at our door without me even asking. Not expecting payment. DF offering to help with rent and bills. DM and her partner have taken over the care of DD as she was still going to pre-school and I’m 35 weeks pregnant.

PILS - not so much. FIL hiding symptoms from DH as money for alcohol and fags is more important to him than his unborn grandchild’s health. Still expecting DH to go to work with him even though they aren’t key workers. Not even so much as an offer of a loaf of bread left on the doorstep when PILs have a car each and are still very active. Bragging on the phone about having 27 toilet rolls and going to supermarkets daily. Oh and FIL is immunosuppressed! Would definitely lose his life from the virus. Especially smoking like a chimney and drinking every day at 65 after recovering from cancer.

I know who I’ll choose to meet my baby first when all this settles! At least this whole situation is exposing the selfish

larrygrylls · 20/03/2020 08:06

If you need to eat, though, go rarely and buy lots, not daily. Buy what is available rather than trying to make a list.

FallonSwift · 20/03/2020 08:10

larrygrylls I think many people are having to go out daily because supplies are so limited. I went yesterday and I couldn't have done a weekly shop let alone buying 'lots' - the shelves were bare. Fruit and veg was almost empty (as in only a few random items left), tinned goods of every variety were gone, no rice or pasta or pre-cooked stuff, frozen foods was also stripped bare, no bread, no milk.

kopbop · 20/03/2020 08:12

People are searching for loo roll and nappies. Having to go every day and hope for the best.

adaline · 20/03/2020 08:13

If you need to eat, though, go rarely and buy lots, not daily. Buy what is available rather than trying to make a list.

That assumes there's stock available, and also that people can afford to do a big shop - many can't.

Our local shops have had no bread, milk, toilet roll, pasta, rice or tins for a week now - unless you happen to arrive within 30 minutes of the shelves being stocked. People are going daily in an attempt to just get something!

larrygrylls · 20/03/2020 08:19

Fallon,

I went out yesterday and bought plenty. It was a very weird shop, but more than enough to eat.

Talking to the person on the checkout, people were queuing from 6:30 AM and stripping shelves as soon as they were loaded up. Not sure why the supermarkets don't just hugely overbuy. People cannot buy an infinite amount ands eventually it will be seen to be futile.

alloutoffucks · 20/03/2020 08:23

I can afford to do a big shop. No online delivery slots for a month. Going out and very limited supply of food. Forget toilet paper, I haven't seen that for 2 weeks. I have napkins as an emergency supply if I still can't get any in future. The issue is getting fruit, veg, meat, basic cupboard items.
So yesterday there was bacon and 1 steak. No other meat at all. Frozen crappy formed meat products. Very limited veg - green beans. No basics like carrots, mushrooms, etc. They did have bananas and strawberries, no other fruit. No tea. And lots of storecupboard items missing.
I actually got freaked out a bit yesterday worrying that I would not be able to feed my kids. In reality I know they won't literally starve. There always seems to be very crappy burger/formed meat type products, biscuits, chocolate, and frozen peas. But basic ordinary food is in short supply.

Mrhodgeymaheg · 20/03/2020 08:25

I just dont see how this will improve unless it is proper lockdown. But the PM has said this will not happen.

He also said schools wouldn't close. From the data I've seen on here, our trajectory is similar to Italy and I think if we tested as we should have we'd be at 9,000 or so cases by now (a guess, not scientific!). It will happen, he just doesn't want unrest as the shops have been decimated and we have been slow to organise ourselves for lockdown, so it will be chaos. He is trying to buy time. Perhaps he's hoping the markets will settle?

There are also the defiant grannies to deal with who will still insist on going out. Need to organise the army for them Grin

alloutoffucks · 20/03/2020 08:25

@larrygrylls I am having to go out every day and buy what I can and work out what to cook with it. Luckily my kids are not at all fussy. No no one will starve. But it is scary not being able to get basics.

alloutoffucks · 20/03/2020 08:28

I want to not have to go out every day to shop!! I should be staying in the house full stop. My DP will be working from home after this evening. Basically after this evening we are going into total lock down.
There are volunteers locally who will buy stuff. I am going to use them. But I am not convinced they will have the stamina to go to shops every day for weeks and weeks, buying food and delivering it for everyone who needs it here.

Sorry but I think it is bloody mess.

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