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So how is all this ‘open only for key workers’ thing going to work then?

408 replies

FlamingoAndJohn · 18/03/2020 17:32

Really is doesn’t seem to mean anything.

I can’t really teach a random selection of children.

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nellodee · 18/03/2020 23:51

Get me the correct equipment to give me a fighting chance and I will work. Make no provision for my safety, or worse, disallow me from making it myself, and well, you know what you can do.

huffleclaw · 18/03/2020 23:53

I can't believe the attitudes of some teachers here. My school has a large cohort of frontline NHS staff as parents. I have been expecting to run as childcare as soon as schools close. We have the facilities, the police checks and the expertise to look after children!! Who do people expect to look after these children while their parents work. We are being advised not to use grandparents as childcare so that has a big impact on lots of families.

I am currently battling with feelings of guilt as I was sent home from work today for 12 weeks as I am classed as 'at risk'. I will be working to set activities and work for the children I usually teach and offering any remote support to my colleagues still in and being a listening ear for parents as they try to adjust.

I just WISH I was able to go in and run childcare. We are in this together.

nellodee · 18/03/2020 23:53

This is a war, but if so, I am dammed well going to get my six weeks training and a fucking gun, thank you very much.

neveradullmoment99 · 19/03/2020 00:04

@nellodee believe me there are a huge number of keyworkers who do not have any special protective gear and are required to be at direct risk of infection through their work. Teachers are not an isolated case

It doesn't make it right for either you or teachers

DoubleAction · 19/03/2020 00:07

Like the people dealing with far more people in the supermarkets nellodee? I take it you won't be using services for the duration?

Scootingthebreeze · 19/03/2020 00:09

@neveradullmoment I agree but I'm not sure what the answer is as this is an unprecedented position. Many agencies have got staff working but allow them to have telephone contact only with people. There are many frontline staff who are expected to have regular, direct contact with people and there is no current way around this. Take prison staff for example and police

Scootingthebreeze · 19/03/2020 00:09

And as double action says - shop workers and pharmacy staff

PatriciaBateman · 19/03/2020 00:43

Are they not allowed to be worried or be able to care for these family members without being called selfish?

Being worried, terrified even, for vulnerable family members, and caring deeply about what happens to them isn't selfish. It's human. These are not unusual feelings, and we are all having them! The majority of the people around you will have at least one vulnerable person in their close vicinity.

It's what you do with that fear that makes you selfish or not. We all have personal interests. There is also a wider crisis that threatens all of us unless we pull together.

alloutoffucks · 19/03/2020 00:48

It is telling though that we see posts about this from teachers. I havent seen this from the poorly paid supermarket staff.

gluteustothemaximus · 19/03/2020 00:55

Support staff here. Happy to be childcare so others can go to work. As long as cleaning routines and hand sanitiser/safety for staff and children during this time. Very aware job role will change. Things are changing for everyone.

HopeClearwater · 19/03/2020 00:56

@jamrollyolly Grin

Balkinfly · 19/03/2020 00:58

Get me the correct equipment to give me a fighting chance and I will work. Make no provision for my safety, or worse, disallow me from making it myself, and well, you know what you can do.

Most A and E Doctors have had hardly anything so far...

Knobblybobbly · 19/03/2020 01:15

My husband and I are nhs front line. Our DD is 5 and probably the only child in her class that will need to go to school. She is incredibly shy. I can’t bear the thought of her going to a different school with different teachers.... but all our usual childcare is either over 70, immunosuppressed or in self isolation.

Hopefully her little school will stay open, otherwise we have no choice but to put her in a scary, unfamiliar place or one of us stay home (if that’s even an option).

user1477391263 · 19/03/2020 01:21

I think the ideal thing is not to educationally privilege some kids over the others, so the kids in school should be sitting at desks (spaced as far apart from each other) working through the same homework packs/online work as the other kids will be doing at home, presumably. So teachers would not be "teaching" in the normal everyday sense----just supervising and helping kids out a bit here and there.

That is more or less what is happening here in Japan, except that the "have-to-be-looked-after" kids are in after school clubs (which are now open all day).

It's not perfect but it gets the job done.

fsmmum · 19/03/2020 01:23

I could register my child so they get to go in but they are vulnerable due to health conditions so there is no way I'm doing that, key worker or not.

user1477391263 · 19/03/2020 01:51

Just an outsider's perspective-one thing that is a bit different from England, Scotland and Wales compared to many other countries worldwide, including the Republic of Ireland, is the fact that England, Scotland and Wales lack content-specific curricula supported by standardized textbooks-and workbooks/exercise books do not seem to go home daily.

In Japan, ROI and actually most other countries, textbooks, workbooks and exercise books go home daily. This means that it is much easier to "pick up and run" when this kind of thing happens. The curriculum is already set out, and if the worst comes to the worst (example: a teacher has to be in charge of a classroom comprising a bunch of random kids of different years/ages), a teacher can just make the kids plod, page by page, through the textbooks and workbook exercisesit is not always terribly exciting but it works, just about. It's also far easier for a parent or childcare worker to "get a child through the basics at home" if they have toagain, not ideal but at least they will not end up with massive holes in their knowledge. Parents are much more aware of what their children are studying at school, how their child is doing at school, and what will come up next in the school year, meaning they tend to freak out less if they have to homeschool for a while.

In England, Scotland and Wales, there seems to be an expectation that teachers must hand-craft individual, endlessly differentiated lessons to a curriculum that changes a lot year to year and from school to school, and parents seem to have a much weaker grasp of what is going on.

Perhaps this is nice for pupils in a way (and also nice for parents in some ways--they have little responsibility compared to many other countries), but it must create a terrifically demanding workload for teachers. And it means that when something like this happens, there is no easy way to transfer to a basic bare-bones low-workload system where considerable responsibility suddenly has to be outsourced to parents. Everyone panics.

Keepcalmanddoyourbit · 19/03/2020 03:21

Really hope this set up will not be abused by some parents lying about their profession.

nellodee · 19/03/2020 06:23

@alloutoffucks I know your posts from other boards. Perhaps you will know mine. I have been running my own very basic mathematical models of the spread of this virus from the beginning, with more accuracy than our so called experts. Perhaps the reason I am complaining and they are not is that I have a better appreciation of what is being asked.
By putting in a key worker scheme, but providing no protection for any of the key workers, Boris is basically continuing with his herd immunity experiment on a cut down scale with the people most likely to sacrifice themselves.
Every key worker needs to protest, unless the proper preventative measures are being taken. Otherwise, perhaps counter intuitively, I believe we would be better off losing a proportion of our work force to childcare duties, rather than losing them, and more, to infection.

nellodee · 19/03/2020 06:50

By March 11th, In Italy, in the Lombardy region, approximately 20% of all health care worker had become infected by the virus. That is about 1 week away for us, in London. This figure will continue to rise.

"Health-care professionals have been working day and night since Feb 20, and in doing so around 20% (n=350) of them have become infected, and some have died. "

source: www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30627-9/fulltext

Key workers using this scheme need to know that their children will become infected. There will be increased spread amongst key workers.

We are not in the same state as Italy. My projections show that since, comparatively, we delayed the start of containment measures, we will be in a far worse state over the coming weeks.

Whilst I commend people showing Battle of Britain courage, without protective equipment and contagion prevention measures in place, this is not the Battle of Britain, it is the Charge of the Light Brigade.

We all saw images of the brave doctors of Wuhan. Now remember this: they had full protective PPE and THEY DID NOT RETURN HOME AT NIGHT TO THEIR FAMILIES AND THEN SEND THEM ALL TO MIX WITH EACH OTHER DURING THE DAY.

Question every move by this government. They have chosen the wrong action every step of the way.

nellodee · 19/03/2020 06:53

In Germany, where I believe they also have a key worker scheme, they have full testing, and a far lower death rate. I would imagine their health care workers also have equipment.

nellodee · 19/03/2020 06:57

This was the face of China.

Why are we contemplating bring this home to our loved ones? Did we ask soldiers in WW2 to take their children with them to the front?

No. No. No.

You can ask me to do this, but you should not ask our familes.

Demand PPE. Demand contagion prevention. Demand hotel accommodation. Do not put your families at risk.

So how is all this ‘open only for key workers’ thing going to work then?
nellodee · 19/03/2020 07:03

This government gives "women and children first" an entire new perspective.

FrippEnos · 19/03/2020 07:04

jamrollyolly

Moaning about a change in the nature of the job is not.

Surely that would depend on the nature of the change and the long term effects that it will/could have on the profession.

okiedokieme · 19/03/2020 07:07

My friend is already volunteering to work, he's food tech and is planning on getting young people to help make food parcels for the most vulnerable locally who currently rely on relatives who can't bring food. His students (14-16 year olds) are really up for it and council are emergency funding. He said they are expected to be having primary keyworker kids at the school from 2 local primaries and older keyworker kids will be helping out the teachers, again some youngsters are keen to help. They have been planning for 2 weeks, and already there were plans at the council for this remember

nellodee · 19/03/2020 07:08

For gods sake DON'T let the children of the most at risk group make food parcels for the elderly. Are you all STUPID?