Talk me down please. Feverish child.

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3 year old daughter. Had high temp all day despite calpol. Fallen asleep so I’ve just taken her to bed (very very unusual for her). Say next to her and she’s breathing fast. Please talk me down

Just get some cal poly and Bruges into her. Remove clothing. Keep monitoring temp. Isolate. She will come through it.

If she's fast breathing you need to phone an ambulance or drive to A and E. My child was doing it before Christmas because of a chest infection and got a taxi to hospital. I was told a child breathing fast always needs medical attention.

I had this with my three year old on Wednesday. Took an hour to get through to 111. Went to doctors as the rules were different then and I was allowed. Listened to chest and all fine. Just a fever. Lasted 2.5 days. Calpol was the winner

Focus on the symptoms rather than a title/diagnosis.
She has a high fever and her airways are being affected.
If her breathing stays the same/gets worse in the next 30 minutes, call 999.
If it improves, Wake her, sit her up, strip her, get fluids into her. This will help whilst you wait for a return call from 111.

If you would have phoned 111 before, phone them now. For this definitely seek advice, it may well not be Covid but she is poorly and that needs to be dealt with / reassured by a professional.

Hope she’s okay OP. I noticed you’ve rang the 111 so no advice really just please don’t tepid sponge as someone else suggested, this caused a huge seizure in my daughter.

Advice is not to give Ibuprofen to treat potential corona virus- same as it's not advised for chicken pox. Can cause bad reactions.

Yesterday 111 advised me to alternate calpol and nurofen for a baby with a very high temp, suspected corona. But saying that another 111 nurse said we only needed to isolate is we had a temp AND a cough.

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NB Ibuprofen shouldn’t be used by asthmatics, as someone has already said.

My daughters have had episodes of faster breathing with a bad fever. Not like they were gasping for breath but like a dog panting on a hot day type thing. Its prime bug season and unless you are in the middle of an outbreak area it is still more likely to be a different type of virus.

Call 111 if you are worried.

The advice for fever is usually to remove excess clothes but avoid sponging down.

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The Medical University of Vienna warns of fake news in connection with the outbreak of the coronovirus on several channels. Text and voice messages are currently being distributed on Whatsapp, which report "alleged research results from the 'Wiener Uniklinik' around the use of ibuprofen and an allegedly related enhancement of Covid 19 symptoms," the institute writes on Facebook. "This is fake news."

The background is supposedly secret information that is currently spreading like wildfire on Whatsapp. The University of Vienna found that the painkiller ibuprofen accelerated the severe course of Covid-19. Covid-19 is the lung disease that can be caused by infection with the novel coronavirus Sars-CoV-2.

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Jonas Schmidt-Chanasit from the Bernhard Nocht Institute for Tropical Medicine (BNITM) can also imagine that medicinal products based on acetylsalicylic acid, but also ibuprofen, could not be helpful for a disease with Covid-19. "Ibuprofen inhibits blood clotting, which would be a possible indication," explains the virologist. This increases the risk of internal bleeding.

Nevertheless, as far as he knows, a connection between the intake of NSAIDs and severe courses in Covid-19 has not yet been established, emphasizes Schmidt-Chanasit. "We do not know much about the pathogenesis of the Sars-CoV-2 virus. There is no clinical data available to date on this."

I think the advice is to avoid ibruprofen / neurofen

Why?

@crispysausagerolls

Because it can, although not always, aggravate some symptoms.

The 111 caller and the paramedic both advised me ibuprofen was absolutely fine, even if it was the Coronavirus.

But clearly many people on this thread think they’re fully qualified doctors who can give sound advice 👍🏻

I can’t actually fucking believe this thread.
Give him ibuprofen
Don’t give him ibuprofen
Sponge hi down
Don’t sponge him down
Don’t bother calling 111
Call an ambulance

THIS is why you don’t asking for fucking medical advice from strangers on the internet.

@findawaytobehappy

Seen this so many times with my 3 DC, it's worrying and upsetting but even more so right now. Its probably unlikely to be corona, but If you're worried call for advice. Otherwise alternative calpol with calprofen, or similar for the temp, plenty of fluids and just let her sleep with you tonight, you will hover all night so you can keep a close eye.

@Pentium85

Thanks for answering

Hope your dd is ok OP

Look on youtube for a video of a toddler in respiratory distress. If they are pulling in, in between their ribs or at that dip between collar bones, or there are dips appearing under their ribs, then you need urgent help. Also look to see if lips and tongue are blue. All these require an ambulance. Your child might also be sitting leaning forward, holding onto, say, the sides of a chair in a 'tripod' position. That's also a sign of danger, as is grunting.

Often fast breathing will be a natural result of a high temperature, and if you remove clothes and give paracetamol, then things should improve within about 30 mins. I think the jury is out on ibuprofen and other NSAIDs at the moment. I got told off for taking naproxen with a fever, by two separate doctors including an A&E doctor, only last month.

Plenty of fluid needed as probably getting a bit dehydrated and that too will increase heart and breathing rate.

@MissRabbitNeedsAHoliday on the mend now thank you

And thanks to (mostly) everyone else

OP can I ask, what was wrong with your LO? I have a 3 year old in exactly the same position. High temp crying non stop etc. Gets recurrent tonsilitis so I was hoping for that, but tonsils are clear...so worried as to what it could be and what I should do. Usually would just contact my lovely GP to get her checked, but obviously with a high temp it doesn’t seem appropriate to try and take her. I feel utterly stuck 😢

@Hartleyhare1206 they said that it’s definitely a virus but have no idea if it’s ‘the’ virus or not...so just to self isolate and treat with paracetamol. You do whatever you need to keep your lo safe

How is your little one OP?

@Iwant thank you for replying; I’m so grateful you took the time to do that when you must have so much “other stuff” on your mind.
Will see how she goes over the next 24 hrs and if No improvement maybe try and get a phone consultation with my GP; failing that call 111. Hopefully it’ll just be a bug that buggers off as fast as it came....but think we know kids aren’t that kind to us! Mum and dad stressed as the world is on the verge of imploding? Yeah? Let’s get ill and cause even more stress!!!

Thanks again for your reply; I think we will all be heavily reliant on our virtual communities as the next few weeks and months go on, somehow. It’s nice to have somewhere to turn xx