Arab rights movements need to purify themselves of anti Semitism

[Carla786]

The historical roots of anti Semitism in Arab nationalist movements are very important. It does not make the cause itself wrong.

What it does do, though, is ensure that very unhealthy patterns are handed down.

A prominent example is Nasser's use of Nazis to write anti Israel propaganda.

No.

There are genuine issues Palestinians and men have which deserve proper advocacy. Neither movement is intrinsically toxic.

Otoh, I agree that the most visible and apparently largest swathes of both ARE hateful.

Agree with all this

Apart from Syria : a lot of Pro Palestinians do seem concerned about Syria but often there is a skewed perspective where the West are blamed for supporting Assad and thus enabling Isis as if that is what straightforwardly happened during the civil war.

'If it was genuinely about loss of life I wouldn’t be seeing pro Palestinians mocking Iranian deaths' - what?? Where have you seen that?

Re more successful Muslim States being less anti Semitic :

It is significant that the productive Muslim empires like the Spanish Nasrids, the Indian Mughals and the early Ottomans very often treated Jews well. As Bernard Lewis points out in What Went Wrong? , the successful Islamic states were much more religiously tolerant, did not impose Taliban-style sharia penalties etc. The huge irony is that extremist Salafi & Wahhabi-influenced groups like Isis were trying to create an 'Islamic State' totally different to what actually great historical Muslim empires were like.

That is what a lot of Palestinian campaigners seem to do. Whitewash all the Nazi stuff from Mufti, Al-Futuwwa, Nasser etc etc and act as if the only bad actions were committed by Israelis.

That just highlights how sinister the movement is. It's so hard set in its ways, driven mainly by arrogance. It's just on another level many of us will never comprehend; destructive and impenetrable.

Would you also agree that the Zionist movement would benefit from re-examining long-standing false narratives, like the claim that the land Israel was built on was empty? What about other narratives that dehumanise Palestinians and deny their rights?

Anti semitism will continue to fuel itself as long as Zionism continues to deny truth.

No racism 'fuels' itself because what you're saying is justifying it. Yuk.

Do you think it takes an academic to know that those things are wrong? Doesn’t delegitimise the basis of Palestinians grievances.

You said there wasn't a lot of evidence showing Israeli reflection. The poster has presented you with some.

There was a clear racial, cultural and religious element in the creation of Israel and its continued treatment of one part of the population of the region.

You can’t selectively reflect selectively on racism against Jews without considering how racism against others has also impacted on the people in the ME.

Antisemitism exists as does racism against Arabs.

Quite, except one form of racism is legitimised, including from posters on this thread.

When did it become the responsibility of the oppressed to promote positive views and opinions of those who kill, oppress, and deny them?

I never said there weren't. But the movements are inherently antagonistic in nature. The modern Palestinian identity was only created in order to mobilise against Israel, and the action groups don't want peace or coexistence.

Yet, some have no problem putting that exact responsibility on Jews.

So we need both sides to reflect on the racism that’s aggravating the situation and until this is mainstream and embedded in policy AND practice of all countries- then can’t blame one side over another for lack of reflection.

Yes, it would be nice to see policy and practice coming down a bit harder on demonstrations calling for death to jews in the UK. You're right.
I would like to see less institutionalised antisemitism in the unions and police force.

So you are saying the people weren’t living there before Israel was created or are you saying they were living there but with no identity or sense of belonging to the land, they didn’t feel the land they had lived in for generations was home until Israel took it from them? That it is all just an elaborate scam to make the violent displacement seem like a bad thing?

Completely agree. Of course police should come down hard on calls for deaths of anyone and actual violence! Wherever they are in the world, London or the West Bank.

Absolutely 👍🏼
Tolerant, liberal countries and societies - whatever their religion - or lack of religion- are more successful in economic growth and in personal freedom and autonomy.

I’m not sure what you mean by this?

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I don't agree with that though.. A lot of the 1948 Palestinian Arabs had been there for an extremely long time, even if there wasn't a modern 'Palestinian' identity : it's not surprising they would have regarded it as their ancestral home.

A lot of countries are recent creations. Pakistan was only founded on year before Israel. That doesn't make Pakistani identity & ancestral attachment to the land 'unreal'.

We do at least acknowledge that there was a lot of human suffering involved in the creation of Pakistan, thanks to western colonialism.