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4 countries to boycott Eurovision due to Israel’s continued inclusion

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Everexpanding · 04/12/2025 19:18

In a statement released on Thursday afternoon, the Dutch broadcaster Avrotros said it would also withdraw from next year’s contest. “After weighing all perspectives, Avrotros concludes that, under the current circumstances, participation cannot be reconciled with the public values that are fundamental to our organisation.”

The Slovenian national broadcaster, RTVSLO – the first to threaten a boycott this summer – said participation “would conflict with its values of peace, equality and respect”.

Spain’s culture minister, Ernest Urtasun, backed the decision, adding: “You can’t whitewash Israel given the genocide in Gaza. Culture should be on the side of peace and justice. I’m proud of an RTVE that puts human rights before any economic interest

RTÉ feels that Ireland’s participation remains unconscionable given the appalling loss of lives in Gaza and the humanitarian crisis there which continues to put the lives of so many civilians at risk,” the broadcaster said in a statement.

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2025/dec/04/ireland-spain-and-the-netherlands-to-boycott-eurovision-2026-as-israel-cleared-to-compete

Four countries to boycott Eurovision 2026 as Israel cleared to compete

Ireland, Spain, Slovenia and the Netherlands pull out after decision not to hold vote on Israel’s participation

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2025/dec/04/ireland-spain-and-the-netherlands-to-boycott-eurovision-2026-as-israel-cleared-to-compete

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SharonEllis · 12/12/2025 15:17

Everexpanding · 12/12/2025 14:00

For Wiesel, an act of protest, no matter how small, is a necessary moral choice and a powerful way to affirm human dignity

He believed indifference was the most insidious danger of all, effectively a form of complicity

How true, indifference to the experience of Yuval Raphael and indifference to her bullying was indeed an act of complicity.

dairydebris · 12/12/2025 15:25

Everexpanding · 12/12/2025 15:15

Yeah I know, it was his thoughts on the importance of protest which I thought you might find interesting as you seem to view protest as “hilarious “ and pointless do you disagree with him?

Oh I absolutely believe in the right to protest, and I also believe in the right to laugh at a protest that is poorly thought through, counter productive, or a protest that is in fact mere self promotion and posturing. We both here have the right to express our views and laugh at each other if we find the other hilarious.

Nothing to say about my points about a boycott causing further division?

Everexpanding · 12/12/2025 15:28

SharonEllis · 12/12/2025 15:17

How true, indifference to the experience of Yuval Raphael and indifference to her bullying was indeed an act of complicity.

the fact that you speak purely about the undoubted trauma of Yuval without also being capable of also considering the much larger scale suffering of Palestinians indeed says something

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Everexpanding · 12/12/2025 15:30

dairydebris · 12/12/2025 15:25

Oh I absolutely believe in the right to protest, and I also believe in the right to laugh at a protest that is poorly thought through, counter productive, or a protest that is in fact mere self promotion and posturing. We both here have the right to express our views and laugh at each other if we find the other hilarious.

Nothing to say about my points about a boycott causing further division?

Do you disagree with the exclusion of Russia also?

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Ellen2shoes · 12/12/2025 15:34

dairydebris · 12/12/2025 07:09

Hard disagree. Its impossible for the values we celebrate in art to be lived off the stage 100% of the time by 100% of people / nations.
Art brings people together. Art transcends politics and division. Or at least it can, if allowed.

Not that EV is strictly Art... but my point is the same.

More unity, less division.

‘Art transcends politics and division’

A lofty phrase. If only.

https://www.jewishvoiceforlabour.org.uk/article/palestinian-childrens-art-exhibition-closed/

SharonEllis · 12/12/2025 16:09

Everexpanding · 12/12/2025 15:28

the fact that you speak purely about the undoubted trauma of Yuval without also being capable of also considering the much larger scale suffering of Palestinians indeed says something

No it says nothing. I am perfectly capable of considering the suffering of Palestinians. This conversation was about the 'bravery' of a priveleged persin who witnessed the bullying of a Nova survivor and did nothing.

SharonEllis · 12/12/2025 16:11

Everexpanding · 12/12/2025 15:30

Do you disagree with the exclusion of Russia also?

How manybl times do we have to go over the completely different issue of Russia ffs? Russia literally invaded anothether EBU country. Of course it was going to get lchucked out

dairydebris · 12/12/2025 16:17

Everexpanding · 12/12/2025 15:30

Do you disagree with the exclusion of Russia also?

Yes, I disagree with Russias exclusion.

And if it was possible for there to be a Palestinian entry I'd support that too.

Honestly I know EV is just a cheesy singing competition but songs, music, art, storytelling, its a way for people to come together and talk about the things that make us all the same, love, family, hope, whatever you want to write / sing about, we can all find something to agree on in these... I think it can be about the human condition.

Yes I know its lofty but art is? I dont see the harm in aiming lofty.

I do think excluding certain artists because of their nationality shows a paucity of thinking.

CrossChecking · 12/12/2025 17:12

I do think excluding certain artists because of their nationality shows a paucity of thinking.

Who is talking about doing this(apart from you obviously)? Do you think if the person representing Israel was Norwegian for instance like Irelands artist was going to be everyone would be like yeah, cool, no need to boycott they aren't Israeli 🤷🏻‍♀️ Honestly, talk about a paucity of thinking. A whole thread on the topic and people still don't even seem able to grasp the fundamentals.

dairydebris · 12/12/2025 17:20

CrossChecking · 12/12/2025 17:12

I do think excluding certain artists because of their nationality shows a paucity of thinking.

Who is talking about doing this(apart from you obviously)? Do you think if the person representing Israel was Norwegian for instance like Irelands artist was going to be everyone would be like yeah, cool, no need to boycott they aren't Israeli 🤷🏻‍♀️ Honestly, talk about a paucity of thinking. A whole thread on the topic and people still don't even seem able to grasp the fundamentals.

I thought these nations wanted Israel excluded and because Israel was not excluded they're boycotting?

Can you explain what you mean by my paucity of thinking? I thought I was making valid points about wanting more unity and less division but no one seems interested in that? Ive genuinely thought about it. Can you elaborate on what fundamental I've failed to grasp and perhaps enlighten me? I'm open to hearing what I've got wrong...

CrossChecking · 12/12/2025 17:40

dairydebris · 12/12/2025 17:20

I thought these nations wanted Israel excluded and because Israel was not excluded they're boycotting?

Can you explain what you mean by my paucity of thinking? I thought I was making valid points about wanting more unity and less division but no one seems interested in that? Ive genuinely thought about it. Can you elaborate on what fundamental I've failed to grasp and perhaps enlighten me? I'm open to hearing what I've got wrong...

You said people want artists excluded because of their nationality - I do think excluding certain artists because of their nationality shows a paucity of thinking. That isn't what is happening. None of this is about the artist. Israel haven't even selected their representative yet so countries boycotting because of the nationality of the artist would be a more than a little bit premature.

If you are confused around the issue you can Google and see each broadcasters reason for boycotting, they are readily available. Not a single one is because of the nationality of the artist Israel have chosen to represent them(not least because they haven't chosen one).

dairydebris · 12/12/2025 17:47

CrossChecking · 12/12/2025 17:40

You said people want artists excluded because of their nationality - I do think excluding certain artists because of their nationality shows a paucity of thinking. That isn't what is happening. None of this is about the artist. Israel haven't even selected their representative yet so countries boycotting because of the nationality of the artist would be a more than a little bit premature.

If you are confused around the issue you can Google and see each broadcasters reason for boycotting, they are readily available. Not a single one is because of the nationality of the artist Israel have chosen to represent them(not least because they haven't chosen one).

If they are not boycotting because of the nationality of the Israeli entry why are they boycotting?

Nations/ broadcasters are boycotting because they dont want to be part of a competition that also allows an Israeli entry no? Because they are not happy about Israel's conduct in Gaza? So, because of Israels conduct in Gaza, no matter who will sing Israels entry, no matter the views of that artist on Israels conduct in Gaza, no matter the message of that artists song, that artist is not welcome because they are Israeli.

CrossChecking · 12/12/2025 19:22

dairydebris · 12/12/2025 17:47

If they are not boycotting because of the nationality of the Israeli entry why are they boycotting?

Nations/ broadcasters are boycotting because they dont want to be part of a competition that also allows an Israeli entry no? Because they are not happy about Israel's conduct in Gaza? So, because of Israels conduct in Gaza, no matter who will sing Israels entry, no matter the views of that artist on Israels conduct in Gaza, no matter the message of that artists song, that artist is not welcome because they are Israeli.

What is the nationality of artist that will be representing Israel? I was under the impression they havent chosen the artist yet?

SharonEllis · 12/12/2025 19:26

Good grief @CrossChecking you really are splitting hairs. How often is a country represented at Eurovision by someone not of that nationality? It happens but its irrelevant to the point.

dairydebris · 12/12/2025 19:31

CrossChecking · 12/12/2025 19:22

What is the nationality of artist that will be representing Israel? I was under the impression they havent chosen the artist yet?

I made it clear in my post I don't know. Youre being deliberately obtuse. Whoever is picked will be representing Israel, and for that reason some believe they should be excluded.
In my opinion thats an opportunity for this 'art' to build bridges and promote unity being missed.
No one seems keen to comment on whether or not this boycott is promoting division- because you know it is, but you dont want to be seen to promote division.
In any case, I've now referred to bloody EV as 'art' an embarassing large number of times to try to make my point- which still does not appear to be landing- so I'll just assume you feel different and leave it there.

CrossChecking · 12/12/2025 19:33

SharonEllis · 12/12/2025 19:26

Good grief @CrossChecking you really are splitting hairs. How often is a country represented at Eurovision by someone not of that nationality? It happens but its irrelevant to the point.

It's not irrelevant at all. Whether she means to or not dairy is spreading disinformation. Nobody is boycotting the eurovision because of the nationality of an artist who nobody even knows the identity of. It is misrepresentating what is actually happening.

SharonEllis · 12/12/2025 19:35

CrossChecking · 12/12/2025 19:33

It's not irrelevant at all. Whether she means to or not dairy is spreading disinformation. Nobody is boycotting the eurovision because of the nationality of an artist who nobody even knows the identity of. It is misrepresentating what is actually happening.

Its not misinformation its just not being pedantic. The point is that they, whoever they are, are representing Israel and that is why there are calls for a boycott.

dairydebris · 12/12/2025 19:36

CrossChecking · 12/12/2025 19:33

It's not irrelevant at all. Whether she means to or not dairy is spreading disinformation. Nobody is boycotting the eurovision because of the nationality of an artist who nobody even knows the identity of. It is misrepresentating what is actually happening.

Please show me the disinformation and I'll have that post removed. Thats the last thing I wanted to do, I just wanted to make a point about boycotts and art.

CrossChecking · 12/12/2025 19:36

dairydebris · 12/12/2025 19:31

I made it clear in my post I don't know. Youre being deliberately obtuse. Whoever is picked will be representing Israel, and for that reason some believe they should be excluded.
In my opinion thats an opportunity for this 'art' to build bridges and promote unity being missed.
No one seems keen to comment on whether or not this boycott is promoting division- because you know it is, but you dont want to be seen to promote division.
In any case, I've now referred to bloody EV as 'art' an embarassing large number of times to try to make my point- which still does not appear to be landing- so I'll just assume you feel different and leave it there.

I thought you were being deliberately obtuse tbh.

Whoever is picked will be representing Israel, and for that reason some believe they should be excluded.

This is a very different statement to your first.

SharonEllis · 12/12/2025 19:37

I wouldn't waste yoyr time @dairydebris everyone else understood your perfectly sensible point.

dairydebris · 12/12/2025 19:44

SharonEllis · 12/12/2025 19:37

I wouldn't waste yoyr time @dairydebris everyone else understood your perfectly sensible point.

Bloody hard work on here sometimes... 😊

StandingSideBySide · 13/12/2025 18:34

Ellen2shoes · 12/12/2025 15:34

‘Art transcends politics and division’

A lofty phrase. If only.

https://www.jewishvoiceforlabour.org.uk/article/palestinian-childrens-art-exhibition-closed/

With thanks Ellen for this
I think it’s worth showing again

because this is a piece of artwork that had to be taken down

I’m disgusted with those who complained

‘ Even with Palestinian children’s art, Israel must make itself the victim
Mon 6 Mar 2023

Visitors view artworks made by Palestinian children during an exhibition at Al-Qattan Center for the Child, in Gaza City, Aug. 8, 2021.
About 120 children participated in the exhibition with their artworks.
JVL Introduction
UK psychotherapist Gwyn Daniels a member of the UK Palestine Mental Health Network and a patron of the Palestine Trauma Centre which works in Gaza.

She writes here about the pressure exerted by UK Lawyers for Israel on Chelsea and Westminster Hospital School to remove an exhibition of art produced by Palestinian children in Gaza (also covered in our earlier post A new moral panic about “antisemitism?)

The reason: “some Jewish patients… said that they felt vulnerable and victimised by this display” i.e. British Jews should not be troubled by discomfort when confronted by the consequences of Israel’s actions…

This approach, believes Daniels “exactly mirrors the Israeli view that Palestinian children have to be responded to as if they are not really children at all and thus merit no empathy, and that sympathy should be reserved for those who feel threatened by them.”
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With thanks to Middle East Eye for permission to repost.
This article was originally published by Middle East Eye on Fri 3 Mar 2023. Read the original here.

Even with Palestinian children's art, Israel must make itself the victim
The pressure exerted on a London hospital to remove artwork by Gaza children illustrates the length to which Israel’s friends will go to whitewash its abuses and erase Palestinian voices
by Gwyn Daniel, Middle East Eye
Here are two seemingly incompatible scenarios.

The first is the horrendous and unconstrained violence currently being unleashed on Palestinian citizens, their homes, towns and villages by Israeli settlers whose representatives now occupy key positions in the Israeligovernment.
Israeli commentators have used words such as “pogrom” and “Kristallnacht”to describe the murder and destruction inflicted on unprotected civilians and their property.

The second is an episode far away in a genteel part of London, where a British pro-Israel charity has somehowmanaged to pressure the Chelsea and Westminster Hospital into removing from one of its corridors an exhibition of art by Palestinian children from the Gaza Strip.
The UK Lawyers for Israel group submitted a complaint to the hospital it said “on behalf of some Jewish patients, who said that they felt vulnerable and victimised by this display”. A UKLFI director commented: “We are pleased that the display has been removed and that the hospital has responded positively to its patients’ complaints.”

But what could possibly be a rationale for Palestinian children’s art, with its expressions of hopes and dreams, of community, of love of the land, of fear and suffering, to be perceived as such a threat to the equanimity of a few Jewish supporters of Israel that it had to be removed?

In my view, one connecting thread is a familiar pattern: the more extreme and violent Israel’s behaviour and the more human rights violations it commits, the harder it has to work to portray itself to the outside world as a victim (with “the right to defend itself”) – and the more assiduously do its defenders in the UK and elsewhere attempt to neutralise dissent by evoking victimhood or distress among the wider Jewish population.

If the usual method of accusing individuals or institutions of antisemitism does not quite fit, then the argument is used that British Jews should not be troubled by discomfort when confronted by the consequences of Israel’s actions.

Representations of suffering
It is entirely understandable that many Jews who have strong attachments to Israel experience distress and discomfort when faced with evidence of its crimes. What is unacceptable is that pro-Israel bodies in the UK seize upon these experiences in order to close down representations of suffering or depictions of such crimes.

The complaint about the exhibition of children’s art is a perfect illustration of “unchilding”, containing as it does the insinuation that this art is both a threat in its own right to Jewish citizens’ peace of mind and also serves as the pawn of adults with nefarious intentions’

i haven't posted the full article Ellen tagged but it’s definately worth a read

If we are to allow art and music to thrive unhindered then we should allow it
Whatever it is
It seems art isn’t allowed by some in our own country when it suits them !

UK - Latest news, videos and opinion | Middle East Eye

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SharonEllis · 13/12/2025 18:54

What an appalling, insidious article. Its not Israel making itself the victim. Hamas did that when it tortured, maimed, raped, kidnapped and murdered Israelis, and others on 7 October. No empathy for them, right?.

But, this is not actually about Israel is it? Its about Jews in the UK. Its not evidence of Israel's so-called crimes that makes them uncomfortable. Its that they know, because they have seen and experienced it, that an uncomplicated uncritical pro-Palestinian narrative merges all to easily with antisemitism as evidenced by the huge surge in attacks on Jews in the UK and restricting of normal life and opportunities for them. Yes many have friends and family in Israel, most Jews here know someone directly affected by 7 October. Its not that art is a threat, its that the culture around protest, the repetition of blood libels, the calls for the desteuction of Israel are all part of a narrative that tells Jewish people that their opinions and feelings are not valid and are not going to be listened to. Its spectacularly disingenuous to claim that its a neutral act to put art from gaza on the walls of a London hospital. I wonder what other countries are represented on the walls of UK hospitals? Uighyur children perhaps?

Everexpanding · 13/12/2025 19:30

Libraries also public spaces. Children’s Art from Ukrainian children. So yes similar art from other war zones is often exhibited

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/ukraine-refugees-stories-hope-exhibition-053209941.html

I think the many Jews who oppose the war in the Uk would not appreciate your persistent linkage of all Jews to the actions of the Israeli government. Lots of Jews are appalled by what has been done in Gaza

Ukraine refugees' 'stories of hope' at exhibition

"I didn't get the life I wanted... I was forced to move to a different country," says Kvitka, 14.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/ukraine-refugees-stories-hope-exhibition-053209941.html

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SharonEllis · 13/12/2025 19:38

Everexpanding · 13/12/2025 19:30

Libraries also public spaces. Children’s Art from Ukrainian children. So yes similar art from other war zones is often exhibited

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/ukraine-refugees-stories-hope-exhibition-053209941.html

I think the many Jews who oppose the war in the Uk would not appreciate your persistent linkage of all Jews to the actions of the Israeli government. Lots of Jews are appalled by what has been done in Gaza

I am not linking all Jews to the actions of the Israeli government. I am doing precisely the opposite.