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Conflict in the Middle East

Let's hope the October 7th memorial events pass without interruption

30 replies

mids2019 · 05/10/2024 17:42

Just this really.

With events scheduled in Hyde Park on Sunday let's just hope there is any disrespectful interruption but I am sure the police will do their job.

OP posts:
Zzippit · 05/10/2024 19:03

Can you just stop please?

Limesodaagain · 05/10/2024 19:23

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JaneDoeHere · 05/10/2024 19:26

I hope so too @mids2019
I’m sure there will be some people doing there best to down play and hide anti semitism in plain sight but I am hopeful the majority of people will be there during this sombre event.

HermioneWeasley · 05/10/2024 19:28

Zzippit · 05/10/2024 19:03

Can you just stop please?

It was a day of unspeakable atrocities against innocent civilians. People were celebrating the deaths of over 1000 people in major cities all over the world before there was any retaliation by Israel. Half the hostages including children and babies are still missing.

so yes, me and others will hope that the events marking the anniversary tomorrow pass peacefully. Do you not? What is wrong with you?

Lettherebejustice · 05/10/2024 19:29

Zzippit · 05/10/2024 19:03

Can you just stop please?

Agreed

It's obvious how this thread will go, OP has been here long enough to know how it will go.

Zzippit · 05/10/2024 19:44

HermioneWeasley · 05/10/2024 19:28

It was a day of unspeakable atrocities against innocent civilians. People were celebrating the deaths of over 1000 people in major cities all over the world before there was any retaliation by Israel. Half the hostages including children and babies are still missing.

so yes, me and others will hope that the events marking the anniversary tomorrow pass peacefully. Do you not? What is wrong with you?

I'm Jewish, you cannot possibly imagine how hard this weekend has already been.

I'm really, really tired of multiple cynical, exploitative threads started by this poster and others on CITME that always, always descend into antisemitism, denial and minimisation, Jew-baiting, insult-slinging, blood libel and accusations of being a genocide supporter. This is the worst board on MN to start a discussion about this so the intentions for this thread are suspect.
Enough. Leave us in peace.

MrsTerryPratchett · 05/10/2024 19:47

JaneDoeHere · 05/10/2024 19:26

I hope so too @mids2019
I’m sure there will be some people doing there best to down play and hide anti semitism in plain sight but I am hopeful the majority of people will be there during this sombre event.

I can't help thinking that some of what is described as antisemitism is actually the complete opposite. People ask why Israel is held to a higher standard than (e.g.) Sudan. And point to antisemitism as the obvious answer.

Prejudice is about othering, and hating the other. But I think the horror at the actions come from many in the West believing that Jewish people are 'us' not 'them' and Israel is a proper, functioning Western-style democracy. People in the UK don't think Sudanese people, or their governments, are 'us'. They are firmly 'them'. As are, frankly, the people in Gaza and their 'leaders' who were last touched by democracy a very long time ago.

It's like coming home and finding out your sister is a serial killer. You're horrified. If the creepy bloke on the news is one, you don't feel the same. You expected creepy blokes to be likely. You expect your sister to be kind.

I've certainly examined my prejudice. And from my best mate at primary, to the person who delivered my baby and the lovely woman I ran with this morning, my experiences with Jewish people have been broadly positive (in a way I cannot state about culturally Christian people). My family had little flashes of racism but never antisemitism; my grandad was involved in the liberation of the camps and the script in our house growing up was that antisemitism was evil. I still believe Israel actions are horrific and unwarranted.

There is of course a section of vile arseholes who attacked Chinese people in covid, African people when Ebola was in the news, Muslims when the murder happened, women when Andrew Tate speaks, and Jewish people now. Any excuse is a good excuse and Jewish people have more reason to fear that than many people. But antisemitism isn't the whole story.

Many of us are on the 'side' of non-combatants and remembrance of the victims of the October 7th attacks is important. They are innocent victims as much as the dead children in Gaza.

SharonEllis · 05/10/2024 19:54

Zzippit · 05/10/2024 19:44

I'm Jewish, you cannot possibly imagine how hard this weekend has already been.

I'm really, really tired of multiple cynical, exploitative threads started by this poster and others on CITME that always, always descend into antisemitism, denial and minimisation, Jew-baiting, insult-slinging, blood libel and accusations of being a genocide supporter. This is the worst board on MN to start a discussion about this so the intentions for this thread are suspect.
Enough. Leave us in peace.

Love and solidarity. I don't understand how people can be so utterly thoughtless.

HermioneWeasley · 05/10/2024 20:05

Zzippit · 05/10/2024 19:44

I'm Jewish, you cannot possibly imagine how hard this weekend has already been.

I'm really, really tired of multiple cynical, exploitative threads started by this poster and others on CITME that always, always descend into antisemitism, denial and minimisation, Jew-baiting, insult-slinging, blood libel and accusations of being a genocide supporter. This is the worst board on MN to start a discussion about this so the intentions for this thread are suspect.
Enough. Leave us in peace.

I apologise. I thought you were wishing harm on the vigils.

JaneDoeHere · 05/10/2024 20:07

MrsTerryPratchett · 05/10/2024 19:47

I can't help thinking that some of what is described as antisemitism is actually the complete opposite. People ask why Israel is held to a higher standard than (e.g.) Sudan. And point to antisemitism as the obvious answer.

Prejudice is about othering, and hating the other. But I think the horror at the actions come from many in the West believing that Jewish people are 'us' not 'them' and Israel is a proper, functioning Western-style democracy. People in the UK don't think Sudanese people, or their governments, are 'us'. They are firmly 'them'. As are, frankly, the people in Gaza and their 'leaders' who were last touched by democracy a very long time ago.

It's like coming home and finding out your sister is a serial killer. You're horrified. If the creepy bloke on the news is one, you don't feel the same. You expected creepy blokes to be likely. You expect your sister to be kind.

I've certainly examined my prejudice. And from my best mate at primary, to the person who delivered my baby and the lovely woman I ran with this morning, my experiences with Jewish people have been broadly positive (in a way I cannot state about culturally Christian people). My family had little flashes of racism but never antisemitism; my grandad was involved in the liberation of the camps and the script in our house growing up was that antisemitism was evil. I still believe Israel actions are horrific and unwarranted.

There is of course a section of vile arseholes who attacked Chinese people in covid, African people when Ebola was in the news, Muslims when the murder happened, women when Andrew Tate speaks, and Jewish people now. Any excuse is a good excuse and Jewish people have more reason to fear that than many people. But antisemitism isn't the whole story.

Many of us are on the 'side' of non-combatants and remembrance of the victims of the October 7th attacks is important. They are innocent victims as much as the dead children in Gaza.

Okay. I still hope the this memorial for the victims who were taken hostage by Hamas and kept hostage by civilians in Gaza are remembered on October 7th.

when there is an event of remembrance for the civilians in Gaza, I will also remember they are innocent victims as well as the innocent victims in Israel.

I also hope the vile anti semitism will not over take the memorial.

stomachamelon · 05/10/2024 20:09

I think maybe this is in the wrong place for it not to become a shit show (kindly)

Limesodaagain · 05/10/2024 20:14

Zzippit · 05/10/2024 19:44

I'm Jewish, you cannot possibly imagine how hard this weekend has already been.

I'm really, really tired of multiple cynical, exploitative threads started by this poster and others on CITME that always, always descend into antisemitism, denial and minimisation, Jew-baiting, insult-slinging, blood libel and accusations of being a genocide supporter. This is the worst board on MN to start a discussion about this so the intentions for this thread are suspect.
Enough. Leave us in peace.

I understand. I’m sorry- I didn’t quite understand your meaning. I’m so sorry . 🙏

SharonEllis · 05/10/2024 20:14

stomachamelon · 05/10/2024 20:09

I think maybe this is in the wrong place for it not to become a shit show (kindly)

Some people cant help themselves, already. And on it goes.

quantumbutterfly · 05/10/2024 20:24

I hope that it shows Jewish & Israeli people in UK that they are supported and protected in their grief, that we still hold the hostages and their families in our hearts, & that the evil of hamas, hesbollah & houthis brings peacekeepers in all communities together to find solutions in spite of the divisions of hate they strive to create.

SunnyZebra · 05/10/2024 20:24

MrsTerryPratchett · 05/10/2024 19:47

I can't help thinking that some of what is described as antisemitism is actually the complete opposite. People ask why Israel is held to a higher standard than (e.g.) Sudan. And point to antisemitism as the obvious answer.

Prejudice is about othering, and hating the other. But I think the horror at the actions come from many in the West believing that Jewish people are 'us' not 'them' and Israel is a proper, functioning Western-style democracy. People in the UK don't think Sudanese people, or their governments, are 'us'. They are firmly 'them'. As are, frankly, the people in Gaza and their 'leaders' who were last touched by democracy a very long time ago.

It's like coming home and finding out your sister is a serial killer. You're horrified. If the creepy bloke on the news is one, you don't feel the same. You expected creepy blokes to be likely. You expect your sister to be kind.

I've certainly examined my prejudice. And from my best mate at primary, to the person who delivered my baby and the lovely woman I ran with this morning, my experiences with Jewish people have been broadly positive (in a way I cannot state about culturally Christian people). My family had little flashes of racism but never antisemitism; my grandad was involved in the liberation of the camps and the script in our house growing up was that antisemitism was evil. I still believe Israel actions are horrific and unwarranted.

There is of course a section of vile arseholes who attacked Chinese people in covid, African people when Ebola was in the news, Muslims when the murder happened, women when Andrew Tate speaks, and Jewish people now. Any excuse is a good excuse and Jewish people have more reason to fear that than many people. But antisemitism isn't the whole story.

Many of us are on the 'side' of non-combatants and remembrance of the victims of the October 7th attacks is important. They are innocent victims as much as the dead children in Gaza.

So You’ve come onto this thread, as a non- Jew, to lecture people about what is and isn’t antisemitism? Would you tell a black person they’re imagining institutional racism?!?!
Oh and you personally aren’t antisemitic because you’ve met some nice Jewish people…
You are not qualified to judge and your opinions are irrelevant and offensive.

MrsTerryPratchett · 05/10/2024 20:34

SunnyZebra · 05/10/2024 20:24

So You’ve come onto this thread, as a non- Jew, to lecture people about what is and isn’t antisemitism? Would you tell a black person they’re imagining institutional racism?!?!
Oh and you personally aren’t antisemitic because you’ve met some nice Jewish people…
You are not qualified to judge and your opinions are irrelevant and offensive.

I think that what people can do is an honest self-inventory of their prejudices and assumptions. Which is what I've tried to do. One's experiences are important. When you grow up surrounded by racism, which I did, it's hard to see it. I didn't seek to lecture but to have a conversation about the internal processes that shape our experience.

That is very different to how other people experience the world, I know that.

I'll leave the thread now because I'm not sure it's possible to have a conversation and I understand how attacked Jewish people feel. I'm sorry.

Silence1 · 05/10/2024 20:55

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WandaFishy99 · 05/10/2024 20:56

Zzippit · 05/10/2024 19:03

Can you just stop please?

Stop the memorial events? Why?

SweetSakura · 05/10/2024 20:56

I hope they will be peaceful memorials too.

Scirocco · 05/10/2024 21:00

WandaFishy99 · 05/10/2024 20:56

Stop the memorial events? Why?

I think they probably just want the OP to stop posting these threads, which are widely recognised as not being started in good faith.

stomachamelon · 05/10/2024 21:06

And someone bites every time.....

Justice4Friend · 05/10/2024 21:12

Zzippit · 05/10/2024 19:03

Can you just stop please?

Why should she?!
She has every right to post.

All those people that died on October the 7th were innocent people who were not even told there was being a war declared.
Those poor children and women that were raped - why shouldn't they be remembered or the OP to wish it does so without disturbance?
They were souls too, innocent people that were not harming anyone.

stomachamelon · 05/10/2024 21:17

@Justice4Friend please read their follow up statement.

Justice4Friend · 05/10/2024 21:19

stomachamelon · 05/10/2024 21:17

@Justice4Friend please read their follow up statement.

Still doesn't give her the right to stop someone else voicing their opinion.

Is the OP a trouble maker?
How do people know what are her motives are?

Turnups · 05/10/2024 21:24

mids2019 · 05/10/2024 17:42

Just this really.

With events scheduled in Hyde Park on Sunday let's just hope there is any disrespectful interruption but I am sure the police will do their job.

"Is" or "isn’t"?

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