Egypt and Jordan- their roles in the conflict

[mids2019]

Were Egypt and Jordan ever considers occupying powers of 'Palestine' before the six day war in the 60s?..Would a solution to this war be for the West bank and Gaza to become protectorate of these nations? There seems to be relatively free modern between the West Bank and Jordan so could you have a similar situation with Egypt where Palestinian refugees made their way there and in return Egypt gained some degree of sovreignty over Gaza?

They haven't prioritised bringing them home. That's their responsibility.

I think it's pointless to go down this route. It could go on for some time, and won't get anywhere.
I'm interested in the OP's posts and the role of Egypt and Jordan over the decades, and what it could mean going forward.

What it means is very little in the absence of an agreed ceasefire and peace treaty.

Egypt and Jordan aren't likely to rush to make themselves targets. Both countries could help in relation to peacekeeping and rebuilding, but they'll want that to be within a framework that protects them too.

Indeed, it seems as if they don't want the Palestinian problem.
I would agree that a ceasefire and a peace treaty would be desirable. However, there are layers of complexity here to which the OP was alluding.

IMO the Palestinians in the West Bank squandered their chance of a Palestinian State in 1948 when they agreed to align themselves with Jordan.

If they had pushed for recognition then we might not be having this discussion now.

When Jordan pulled out from the West Bank in 1988 they sold the Palestinians down the river by removing their Jordanian citizenships and passports, effectively making them stateless.

(I can't understand why they aren't incensed over this ?)

Gazans had a better deal under Egypt with Nasser who supported educational facilities and funded scholarships for Gazans at Cairo Universities.

Unfortunately, complex issues with the Suez Canal and Egypt's failed alliance with Syria impacted on this, as did the rise of the terrorist group The Muslim Brotherhood.

@EmpressOfTheThread .

There are obviously complex and potentially hostile views of Israel for its neighbours but both Egypt and Jordan have had hsitroical parts to play in terms of territorial boundaries in this region. Economically and politically a 2 state solution would need support from both Egypt and Jordan so it would be important to know what their strategic views are in the region .

I think there needs to be thought about Palestinian identity as opposed to a pan Arab identity in the region. There have been numerous border changes in the region since the fall of the Ottoman empire and changes in governance and a state of Palestine hasn't existed in modern history, there have been Syrians, Jordanians and Egyptians but you would have to forge a new state based on a Palestinian identity which has a complex background.

One absolute is that Israel continues to exist and so we can't go to pre 1948 boundaries i.e. Israel can't be considered Palestine. I think the idea that Israel can be expunged to allow a new Palestinian state is obviously abhorrent but is a view advocated by the likes of Hamas. There therefore has to be deep though about where the territorial boundaries of Palestine would sit and in reality how both Egypt and Jordan for into governance arrangments. It looks like Jordan and Egypt have historically have washed their hands to an extent but their positioning is important.

Good points, @onegrumpyoldwoman and @mids2019 .
That's what makes this such a complicated situation.

@onegrumpyoldwoman

Out of interest immediately after the 67 war did Gazans have a better arrangement with Israel than Egypt in terms of economy , education and job opportunities or was the overall situation fairly similar. It appears to me Israel ended up with Gaza after a war but without a real desire for the territory (or people)?

I can't answer your question straight off, I'd have to look that up.

What I do know is that they left Gaza with a thriving market gardening economy (flowers & fruit/veg)
As a child I can remember seeing orange boxes in greengrocers' shops with "produce of Israel" stamped on them.
I believe these came primarily from Gaza and the West Bank.

I saw in the news today that of the 700 tunnels found under Rafah, 50 of them pop up in Egypt. So the Egyptians appear to be neutral / hands off to the world but are complicit in terrorism.

The Jordanians don't want more Palestinians in their country after Black September.

It's a complicated landscape, that's for sure.

You don't know what you are talking about. The Egyptian military government constantly work hard to shut the tunnels down. They don't want terrorists or their arms in Egypt. Part of the reason the military overthrew the Muslim brotherhood government was that they were facilitating the passage of arms in these tunnels. Sinai turned into the Wild West under that regime and it took the army years to get the situation under control.

That’s good to know @JSMill but Sinwar and other Hamas members are getting in and out of Gaza somehow.

@Disturbedby The Egyptian government would not do anything to assist Hamas, no matter how they feel about Israel. They are Islamic fundamentalist terrorists and are a destabilising influence in the region.