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munchiesmama · 26/09/2008 21:17

Hi Ladies

Hope the new title is ok? Roll on more good news after Mollie's.

Anyone on the 2ww? I should be but DH and I had a row and didn't BD when necessary so sadly I am out already this month , so just BDing for fun at the minute .

Hope everyone else is feeling more positive.

xxx

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Patchybob · 09/10/2008 20:17

MollieMooma, So sorry it didn't work out for you, you have had a tough time. I think I am about to get AF. Have really bad cramps and a bit of spotting, so think its on the way. I think its just my bodies way of getting back to normal after m/c as I don't normally get any cramps at all.

Going to stuff my face with chocolate and wait for it to arrive!!

kate2179 · 09/10/2008 22:48

Hello Ladies, I have been a long-standing lurker on this thread for a year now , although I don't post very much any more. But I just read nauseous' posts and wanted to say Nauseous if you still want to know about blood tests now and about referral to Lesley Regan's clinic then I know about both. Hopefully once you have been to the epu tomorrow you will have had a positive scan and you won't need to know any more about either, but if you do just give me a shout and I'll pass on what I know. In case I'm not around and you do need me, the private patient number for Lesley Regan's clinic is 020 7886 1050. There's also a consultant there called Raj Rai who apparently has a much kinder bedside manner, together with a shorter waiting list, so if you do decide to go that way I'd suggest asking for him. The only reason I haven't seen him is cos I've been amazed just how much you can get done on the nhs once you get a consultant who's actually interested But I'm keeping everything firmly crossed that your scan will show that everything is fine and all this info will be totally unnecessary Take care xx

sarah76 · 10/10/2008 02:03

Hi all, been away for a while, but it's now been 3.5 weeks since the MC and feeling better. Still can't stay at WW meetings with all the babies, but at least I'm not screaming at people in the queue anymore.

The evil SIL went into labour a month early but it's now stopped. They think it might have been brought on by an infection. Baby is already too big, don't know why they don't just haul it out of her pronto, before she stuffs more sugar & McLard into it. That's one instance where I would be in favour of someone NOT breastfeeding--I'm sure formula would provide MUCH better nutrition than the SIL. Anyway, I'm glad it's stopped. I thought I was going to have to speed up the setting of my poker face, and really was not ready for that!

Patchybob · 10/10/2008 08:55

Hello everyone. The dreaded AF has arrived and although I am relieved as it means my body is trying to get back to normal (my head isn't yet), it is a strange feeling as it so reminds me of the m/c and also it is further confirmation that I am not preg anymore...although I knew that of course, it is like another cruel reminder.

sarah76 it sounds like your m/c was around the same time as mine, glad you are feeling a bit better. It is very up and down isn't it?
I hope all is well with the evil SIL, it must be hard for you. One of the mums at school has recently had a baby and I can't even look at her or him.
Take care everyone, thinking of you nauseous

maz32 · 10/10/2008 10:12

hi everyone, thought i wud cum and join u if that ok? had my first peiod few weeks ago but hubbie not sure if he wants to try again so am in limbo even more, going to have heart to heart this weeke end he thinkss its to hard to put ourselves thro it again, not very optomistic is he?xx

mistlethrush · 10/10/2008 19:09

Maz - my dh is on the same wavelength as yours!

Patchybob · 11/10/2008 07:34

Maz I agree, I think if I turned round and said I didn't want to try again my dh would be relieved. He was so pleased when AF arrived, I almost wanted to hit him!

Nauseous hope you ok

maz32 · 11/10/2008 10:34

thanx for ur support patchybob and mistlethrush, its gud to know others r in the same boat. im thinking a big nite out at a wedding tonite, bit of drunken talking mite get him onto my wave length?!xx

MollieMooma · 11/10/2008 13:53

Kate Hello hun, lovely to "see" you pop in over here again, don't be a stranger on this thread, we are quite a small group at the moment, and you always have such good advice
Sarah76 LOL at your descriptions of your SIL, I have such funny pictures in my head of her
PatchyBob It's good to hear your cycle is getting back into shape, I'm sure your head will follow when it's ready It is odd the first AF for exactly the reasons you stated, you can move on, but it's also an awful reminder of what's happened.
Maz32 Sorry to hear about the situation with DH, I hope your heart to heart gives you the outcome you want x
Mistle I take it DH is still being unco-operative then?
Nauseous Thinking of you hun,hope everything is OK?

As for me, still waiting for AF think my body is a bit confused at the moment

nauseous · 11/10/2008 17:30

Wow ladies what lovely messages.

Well I didn't have a scan on Friday as my symptoms crept back! After 3 days of diddly squat. Had no idea this was normal. Obviously am feeling much better now.

Also felt rough as a badger's ar*e today so I'm feeling much better - iykwim. I really thought it was all over. Reading Lesley Regan's book all night probably didn't help.

Feeling a wee bit embarrased for going off on one... . Blaming DH for going away with work and leaving me to my paranoid self. He may not be quite as anxious as me but he is having to put up with me being on an emotional rollercoaster. Roll on 13 weeks. Apologies in advance for being nutterish if I am.

OK rant over.

Patchy the first period does seem like a cruel twist of the knife, but I suppose it will give you the chance to think things over.

sussexoldspot · 11/10/2008 17:30

Hello, everyone - am tentatively back, after being here for a week six weeks ago! Got yet another BFP last night, making me 5 weeks straight after last mc.

nauseous thoughts are with you and keeping fingers tightly crossed.

Hey mollie and mistle, how are you? Not sure you'll remember me!!

nauseous · 11/10/2008 17:35

Kate2179 - am I still allowed to ask for the blood test info? I'd already booked my blood test so I went anyway. Won't get results till late next week - however I have no idea what he's testing for and its reliability. The blood nurse was clueless.

Any info?

I'm filing Dr Raj Rai's info for future reference - just in case - thank you.

I could change my name to paranoidandsometimesnauseous.... Sarah76 you're very funny. SIL sounds like a blemmin nightmare.

cakeandicecream · 12/10/2008 02:27

Hi all, I've not been around for a while but need some advice and thought this was probably the place to come. I've had two m/c or cp this year in feb/april both at exactly 5 weeks and posted for a while before going completely nuts and needing a break. Well now I got a BFP on tuesday at 30 days with very sore breasts but no other symptoms particularly other than feeling tired ( I had quite strong period pain at 27 days for a couple of hours which was the same as when I got pg with dd). I know i should be ecstatic but i'm being really pessimistic and almost waiting for it to happen again. On thursday and friday I had very mild period pain in fact not really pain but a bizarre sensation of knowing there was something strange going on which felt odd and not like I remembered. I know its really early days and actually 35 days tomorrow (hence why i can't sleep) but I just wondered if anyone had any experience of pg post mc or cp and whether it brought any strange symptoms or whether I'm just heading for another one? I'll stop whining now........hope you're all holding up well and sending out lots of pg rays while I have them!

sussexoldspot · 12/10/2008 09:20

Oh God, I'm on the wrong thread. A million apologies, everyone - I've yoyo'ed between this one and Knicker Checkers all year and am not very befuddled!

Patchybob · 12/10/2008 11:39

nauseous what a relief, I was so worried for you, hope you are taking it easy

I am having a really bad time with AF, so heavy I just cant keep up. Is this normal after m/c?

cakeandicecream I got lots of period type pain with ds and dd. Think its quite normal to get it on and off and everything is hopefully bedding in and getting nice and comfy! Sending you happy thoughts!

Patchybob · 12/10/2008 11:40

Hoorah, just learnt how to do the happy faces!!! All my posts will be covered in them now!!

mistlethrush · 13/10/2008 09:44

pb, yes I'm afraid that af after mc can be rather toreential...

Patchybob · 13/10/2008 13:03

At last, think there is light at the end of the tunnel and AF abit lighter. Thanks mistlethrush for the reassurance that it is normal!

LaTourEiffel · 13/10/2008 22:28

Hi all, haven't posted for ages (previously Calsworld). I'd been waiting for AF following mc in August - which arrived and DH and I had started ttc last week...

At the weekend I was admitted to hospital in lots of pain, turns out I have lots of gallstones. Both the doctor at the hospital and my GP today want me to wait to ttc till after an op to have my gall bladder removed.

I know its not the same as what many have been through, but its still immensely disappointing. A lady at work today told me I should be grateful for DS and that I can try again later, that there would always be someone worse off than me. She went on to say that she can't have kids and the only way she can deal with it is to remember there is always someone worse off than her and I should think that too.

However, I think its really sad not to be able to feel sympathy for someone just because you don't feel they have suffered enough. I ended up feeling very sorry for her.

So, I'm off the ttc list once again, I'm on the couch to 5k thread and with my new enforced super low fat diet, I should hopefully in a bit better shape when I do start ttc again - whenever that may be.

Lets just hope the NHS waiting lists really are a lot shorter than they used to be.

munchiesmama · 14/10/2008 10:33

Morning ladies

Sussex Congratulations on your news!
Patchy My 1st AF after m/c was really heavy with lots of cramping, in fact it was even worse than the m/c itself! Its bittersweet when it arrives though, even though the baby is gone, for me an AF made it so final (I had another big wobble then).
LTE You poor thing! My cousin had gallstones and said they were so painful, hope u get them out soon.
Cake and icecream How r u doing?
Nauseous How are u feeling?
Mollie Any signs of AF yet?
Maz&Mistle Any progress in getting DP's to try again? My DP was unsure but thankfully being around a friends newborn help convince him (think he was more worried about how i would handle it if it happened again - fingers crossed i wont have to cross that bridge!)

For me I will hopefully ovulate within the next week at some point so will have to get BDing, couldnt face it last night though as i had a smear yesterday (I had been putting it off for soooo long just glad it is over with now for another 3yrs!)

Hello to anyone else i missed! xx

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MollieMooma · 16/10/2008 21:36

Evening girls, it's quiet in here
Nauseous Fantastic news really pleased you are feeling rough
Sussex Congratulations hun on your BFP, really pleased for you, wishing you sticky positive thoughts x
Cakeandicecream How are things? I fell pg straight after 2nd m/c which was 8 wks ago, got a BFP 5 wks after but unfortnately it was a chemical pg, not to say it won't work out for you. Will keep everything crossed for you, but feel free to ask questions if needed
LTE So sorry to hear of all the additional crap you've had to deal with, are you able and have you told the hospital that you would accept a cancellation at short notice? Might speed things up a bit
Munchies Still no sign of AF just want her to hurry up (never thought I'd say that) the GP thinks my body still thinks its pg after the chemical pg, but as I'm a bit snappy and slightly sore (.)(.) I'm hoping she's about to visit! Hope you are well?

Mollie waves to everyone else, hope you are all OK?

kate2179 · 16/10/2008 22:48

Evening ladies. I promised Nauseous & Mollie I'd share my experience with hcg blood tests in early pregnancy, and I've been really slack and not done it, so here goes. But be warned, you did ask so this is the unedited version - feel free to speed read

When I saw my GP after my first mc (mmc) she said that next time if I wanted to I could have an early scan and she would check my hcg levels for reassurance - they should double every 48-72 hours in a normal pg. So I said yes please and when I fell pg again in January I went along for the tests.

First test was at 4+0 and showed really good levels of progesterone and hcg, so high in fact that I wondered if it could be twins...

2nd test at 4+4 showed that the hcg had increased but the progesterone had decreased quite significantly.

So they repeated the test 2 days later. Showed hcg increasing by not enough.

So they repeated the test AGAIN 2 days later. Showed the same.

So they repeated the test AGAIN AGAIN 2 days later. Showed the hcg and progesterone were both falling, despite the fact that I was taking cyclogest by that stage.

The GP confirmed it was another early mmc. I was devastated. All I wanted was to go in for an erpc as soon as possible to get it over with. Sorry if that sounds dreadful, but bear in mind this was mid January and my last mmc was only 2 months previously.

But the hospital wouldn't see me. Made me wait almost a week until I should have been 6+5 and said I had to have a scan to confirm it, then they'd talk about where to go from there. I couldn't understand it at the time, it seemed incredibly cruel to keep us waiting even longer when we'd already been TOLD by our GP that there was definitaly no hope.

But of course we waited, what else could we do? And in due course off I went for my scan.

To our utter shock and amazement it showed a 6+5 week bean with a strong heartbeat, measuring exactly right for dates.

The nurse consultant at the hospital told us that's why the hospital don't do repeat hcg tests and always insist on waiting to at least that stage to scan. Because often falling hcg levels means a mc is on its way, but ONE IN FIVE women with falling hcg levels will go on to have a healthy pg.

As it turned out, we lost our little boy at 17 weeks. The falling levels in our case were probably the first signs of the chromosome disorder that was "incompatible with life". But there was no way of knowing that at the time, nor was there any way of diagnosing it other than a CVS or amnio.

All the hcg tests did was add even more heartache and worry at what was already a terrible time. Having to go back to the doctors for tests again and again was incredibly stressful. I can't describe how much.

Whilst I accept that hcg results that appear to do what they should could be very re-assuring, you have to accept that they might not do what they should. And what then? It's too early to get any diffinitive answer, and ime just leads to further heartache, while doing nothing to numb the eventual grief should things turn out badly as they did for us.

This needs to be an individual decision for every woman who is unfortunate enough to find herself in this situation. I hope that sharing what happened to us might help prevent someone going through what we did . Of course the end result would have still been the same, but the rollercoaster of emotions we'd been on, even by 6+5 was incredibly painful.

Having now read Lesley Regan's book it seems she doesn't offer hcg tests to her patients for the same reason, and I know some pct's won't do them either. The reason is that they're NOT definitive, and so how much use can they be?

Sorry for the rant. I hope you understand.

bunnyinheadlights · 16/10/2008 23:29

oh kate your post brought a tear to my eyes. you are really so strong and so great for sharing your story to help other ladies here. i hope that happiness and baby dust find their way to you in the near future. no one should have to go through what we ladies have done here. many hugs to you.

mollie i am very sorry to hear the ups and downs you recently had to go through - it is so not fair. how are you coping hun? i hope you find some comfort on mn. sending you big hugs - there will never be an answer to our "whys" but i hope you find comfort in the support your gp is now offering. thinking of you and sending you lots of good vibes xxx

waves to mistle and other ladies!

MollieMooma · 17/10/2008 10:41

Kate Thank you so much for that hun, now I see why you said about it on our other thread, I think I will steer well clear of my GP's offer then for the "next time". I obviously know what the end result was for you but hadn't realised what a trauma you went through before that as well. Thanks again for sharing chick really appreciate it. Your my little medical guru x
Bunny So lovely to hear from you, I've been trying to keep an eye out on knicker checkers to see how you are with you, hope things are good?

bunnyinheadlights · 18/10/2008 18:44

hi mollie yeah - i kinda fell off the internet world for a while - was on hols for 3 weeks in sept and then just was too tired after work to log on again. went to bed at 7pm most nights. everything is well thanks - i had my 20 week scan 2 weeks ago and it was a relief to see little bunny waving, scratching head etc. after 2 mc's and 1 definite chemical pregnancy (went negative after 4 days) and 1 "maybe" chemical pg (i saw a faint line and then had period the same day that i tested) it has all been so negative and emotionally and physically exhausting. i did acupuncture together with chinese herbs for 3 mths and cut out caffeine, alcohol and dairy and also starting taking vit b6 on top of pregnacare. it was at the end of the 3mths that this pg happened. (acupuncturist told us not to try until at the end of the 3 mths to give my body and brains a break...)

so am continuing to keep fingers and legs crossed and praying that everything continues to go well. heart goes out to you when i finally logged back on and saw what you've been through. all i can say is hang in there and it Will happen please please believe that in your heart though i know it is not easy to when you are going through what you are going through. will continue to think of you and send lots of baby dust vibes and thoughts xx