TTC - Eating Trans Fats (Hydrogenated Vegetable Oils) can REDUCE female fertility A LOT

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Has anyone seen this article about a recent scientific study about trans fats (hydrogenated vegetable oils). It seems that even a few grams (what you might get in a serving of breakfast cereal or a donut) of trans fats can increase a woman's INfertility by a HUGE amount. I would highly recommend reading the ingredients of all prepackaged foods. When my father (scientist) started warning me about hydrogenated vegetable oils, I was amazed by how many things contained them. eg Most store bought baked goods, cookies, crackers, margarine, dips, spreads, breakfast cereals, preprepared dinners, fried foods at most fast food places, soups, drinks....

Good luck to all of you. (I have told my story here before, but in a nutshell....miracles do happen....my dh had a vasectomy reversal which he was told was completely unsuccessful...no sperm at all. However despite his SUPPOSED lack of sperm, a few months later I became pregnant with our son and then two years later after only 1 month of trying, pregnant with our daughter.) Doctors do make mistakes.

Transfats are definitely unsaturated. I know that for definite. That's why hydrog. fats were in foods billed as healthy options for so long.

Also, apparently it's partially hydrogenated fats that are worse for transfats (says Wikipedia -- and Wikipedia is God, don't you know??? ) So I am not too sure if hydrog. fats are as bad for trans fats as partially hydrog. fats, but basically I think simplest to just avoid them all.

Okay, think I get it. If vegetable fat really gets totally hydrogenated then it won't have transfats in it (says bbc link ). So vegetable shortening with hydrogeated fats in it could actually be free of trans fats. But the problem seems to be that most of the time "hydrogenated fat" on the label doesn't mean 100% hydrog. fat - some partially hydrog. fats will be present, too. So may as well treat "hydrog fats" as being as dangerous as "partialy hydrog. fat"=trans fats.

Am confused re deal with palm oil.
I thought it wasn't good for you,but have an oil here called 'Carotino' which is a mix of red palm and canola. Lots about how good it is-rich in Omega 3 and 6,Lycopene,Co-enzyme Q10 and free from trans-fats.

So why did I think it was bad shit?????

Wikipedia gives Palm oil a pretty health rating, in spite of high saturated fat content.

I thought it went like this, on a scale from one to 10 of
1=Great and 10=Terrible
for your health, the scores were

Polyunsaturated=1
Unsaturated fats=2
Saturated=6
Trans-Fats=300

So I don't worry about saturated fats any more, i suspect only a few vulnerable people should.

Thanks for that.
Was obviously aware of environmental impact but good to have a reminder.Don't think I will buy again.

Need to read this thread again to get my head around just exactly what is what.

What is canola, moondog, we have that here too. I avoided it at the shop when I was looking for sunflower oil.

I think it is from rapeseed??

lol aviatrix

i don't think anyone really fully hydrogenates fats cos then they are bascially too hard to use. So yes all trans fats are partially hydrogenated.

I dunno about saturated fats. I have a big concern that we are all going off on one re trans fats. Yes they are shite and need out of our diets. BUT we do eat way more saturated fats than we should, or at least I do. They cause all sorts of problems. Exactly what problems I will reveal in a few weeks when i have finished my couse

Palm oil is used around the world in such foods as margarine, shortening, baked goods, and candies. Biomedical research indicates that palm oil, which is high in saturated fat and low in polyunsaturated fat, promotes heart disease. Though less harmful than partially hydrogenated vegetable oil, it is far more conducive to heart disease than such heart-protective liquid oils as olive, soy, and canola. The National Heart, Lung, and Blood Institute, World Health Organization, and other health authorities have urged reduced consumption of oils like palm oil.

oh yes, palm oil is def shite

fast food nation is a good read re palm oil. how its a cheap fat which behaves oddly in the body (I think by that he means as a saturated fat not a polyunsaturated, which is how we, the public, generally expect vegeatable oils to behave.).

different saturated fats behave differently, thats the other problem. some seen to have a much worse effect than others. and i cannot remember which, but i recall palmitic acid being a baddie.

wELL fILLY,THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT i understood.
Which is why i am baffled as to it being sold as something so beneficial.

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it fecks me off moony cos its in "healthy" kids conveniance food like organix

leaving me no choice but to make my own flapjacks

and thus do i spiral further upwards to yummy mummy nirvana

aviatrix am pondering this info. have heard that microwaves are Bad but...a lot of it seemed to suggest that microwaves had the same effect as nuclear radiation. and i don't see how they do, really. and they are all around us, contrubtuib of our microwaves is minimal. oh and conventional cooking seriously depletes water soluable vitamins more than microwaves would cos they leach into water.

dunno. those are my first thoughts. not helped by fact that first time i heard of evils of microwave waas from a woman peddling me a magnet to help neutralise the effects of my mobile (still pmsl at this)

having said this I do not have one, but that is more so the kids learn to cook Properly. And also cos I reckon it'd be very easy for a toddler to start a fire with one.

right well MrFillyjonk has just pointed out that both my kids can turn the hob on when with him to heat their bedtime milk.

Forgot about that

so scratch the thing about it being a fire hazard...

My microwave serves as a clock. I read somewhere, and probably utterly ridiculous, but if you put your mobile phone in the microwave (stay with me, I haven't gone cuckoo!), shut the door, ring it from your landline, and if you can hear it ring the your microwave is leaking. On a scale of 1-10 how mental is that?? Since reading that however, I have not used the microwave.

Also... apologies for all the questions all the time, but you ladies seem to know what you are talking about!!! If I boil (I like my veg with a bite, so not a long boil) my veg (broccoli, carrots etc) does the vitamin loss into the water stop it from being a portion of the 5 a day??

Not even sure that question made sense??

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I am an abberation

a lentil weaver who does not fondle crystals

you link away aviatrix

but how, pray, would they create transfats, my friend?

(I shall see your introducion to nutrition and raise you the fats of life...)

um BUT

you would actually need to do boiled/cooled water vs microwaved (to same temp)/cooled water

cos heating water does get rid of all sorts of water soluble Good Things

And here is my difficulty

heating water, and indeed anything really, changes all sorts of things. Heating breastmilk definately changes its structure.

But its nothing to do with the microwave, you could heat it in a pan and it would have the same effect.

"Microwave ovens "cook" food by forcing the atoms, molecules and cells within the food to reverse polarity billions of times per second, causing friction - the more the friction, the more the heat"

Atoms, molecules and cells? Whoah. Are the atoms in the molectules doing this in sync, like a mexican wave? cos if so it would cancel itself out. seriously...

and c'mon now, "vital-energy field"??? "elemental food substances"

Oh I am sorry, but now serously, what did you expect?

And this is my favourite

"Stephanie Relfe, Kinesiologist, found herself feeling "gray and rather low" one day and discovered that she had inadvertently eaten microwaved food at a restaurant. "

ok must stop typing shite now...

Hmm so if I used a diaphragm AND ate Digestives, would this be a good method of contraception?