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Assisted Conception (and all the bits in between) volume 7

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Italiangreyhound · 13/04/2011 01:23

Hi ladies Pumplinjoy, Shirley, Lissy, Keziah, Womanly,Val, Late, monkeybumsmum, tametortie and Rowing* - hugs to you all.

woowa of course you can join us.

Choco and Horton and londonlottie do you still look in on us?

Can you all find us?

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frustratedchick · 18/08/2011 23:07

Hello

lissy thanks a lot for your post. Thats very helpful, and sounds about right. I was thinking about buying the medicines somewhere cheaper (I heard that asda is pretty good?) rather than directly from the argc but i suspect that its all a lot easier to get them from the clinic, isnt it? Great you needed intralipids and not ivig - I am hoping they may change their minds once they repeat my immune tests.

pocket I had my reservations about argc after reading articles on the internet, but I am v happy so far. lissy will be able to tell you more than me about it as she has gone through ivf with them already (I am waiting to do it in Oct). I first went there in July for an appointment and was v impressed, and have since finished a monitoring cycle. They are expensive but their success rates are impressive. The waiting list for an appointment IS long - I had to wait about 10-12 weeks (but I was told that it was a particularly busy period). After that, everything is quite quick.

level welcome! sorry to hear about your endo. Ivig is a therapy that helps to reduce natural killer cells immune problems. My count is v high and it seems that they reject any 'foreign' bodies, preventing implantation. This may explain why in 2 years I have never got pregnant. And its also the only thing so far that the docs have found wrong - I am 'unexplained' as many are. With ivig they would give me a drip with a solution of globulins (blood product) for 3 hours or so during treatment and probably after a bfp. What lissy has been doing, intralipids, does the same thing but its made from soya...probably a better option so I am hoping I will do that instead!

marmitemad · 19/08/2011 09:27

frustrated Lissyand lucy

I am still doing my research but definately considering ARGC due to its success rates but am a bit scared by the amount of monitoring as I am outside of London but if we're going to invest this much money/time/emotion I want the best possible chance of it working.

would you be able to briefly summarise how often you need to be there during a cycle? and how much injecting there is and also explain the long/short protocol thing as well. how do they decide if you need immunes as well? and lissy is your £10-12K estimate, per cycle?

got my post laparoscopy follow up appointment for the end of september so that is when I need to have made a final decision.

am wondering if its worth booking an initial appointment for ARGC now, if the wait time is 12 weeks. what information do I need to book in with them and do you just pay for the initial consult at first?

Keziahhopes · 19/08/2011 10:49

Lissy - despite being under an immunologist as I have part of my immune system missing (if it got worse I would be on IVIG for life) and having 2 autoimmune condtions and then fertility immune issues the only thing I can get is an 8week scan (had), 12 week scan and see an obstetrician at 15 weeks before my 20 week scan. Normal community midwife not interested! I have a friend who has had 3 miscarriages and she is getting scans every fortnight and seieng a consultant regularly etc (and no tests showed any issues). Think will just end up paying £100 every few weeks for a reassurance scan to a company that just scans as I am so nervous - but not sure they will do anything other than give me pictures and know the baby is still alive at that date.

Scrummybumb · 19/08/2011 14:38

Lucy they wouldn't prescribe it unless they knew it was going to be of help. I started my journey thinking we would need help, in fact when I went to see my GP to say we wanted to start TtC (was on medication at the time) I asked what the NHS guidelines weed for IVF! Maybe I should just be a bit more positive, but I thought i wanted to be realistic at my age. And here we are...I daren't think that we shall just have our monitoring cycle and get the green light, but if we do, it would be great to be cycle buddies Smile.

Maybe just try and balance it by eating loads of lovely organic fruit and veg and treat yourself to some yoga/pilates/health outdoor stuff?

Hi level and welcome. Sounds like it's all systems go for you. I hope you have a successful cycle with NHS and that you receive good support from them.

fretfree hope the tests and dildocam showed good progress.

pocket my final assurance was the positive response I got from my GP, when I told him which clinic i wanted to attend. Not that I really needed the re-assurance.

Over here, DH had a successful op yesterday, so we're all systems go for some SWI. I'm due to ovulate on Tuesday. Hope you all have a great weekend.

Scrummybumb · 19/08/2011 14:44

keziah really wish there was something we could do to ease your journey. Can you go to another GP for some further advise/support? Would you be able to afford a private mw? Considering what you have been through, I think private mw might be worthwhile, even just to have someone you can talk to. That way you can shop around to find someone you feel comfortable with and can be assure they go through this whole journey with them.

frustratedchick · 19/08/2011 16:05

Hey marmite - just thought I would try to answer your question although lissy has successfully gone through it all so may answer this much better than me.

Yes, I think the 10-12k is an estimate per cycle (and dont think it includes the monitoring cycle??). I know its high - its mainly because of the many many blood tests that the argc asks you to do during the cycle. I think its 60 pounds per blood tests and some days you are asked to do these twice!

With the ARGC you'll need to do a monitoring cycle first and then at the end they will advise you which protocol you should be on. This depends on your 'issues', age etc. With the ARGC I will be on a long protocol (although the NHS for some reason asked me to be on the short one and was a bit confused). A long one works for me because I have unexpl infertility, and have v high AMH. You start the LP on day 21 - when they give you a nasal spray to downregulate (ie shut down your system). As far as I know you only need to see them once at the beginning. This phase goes on for ca 7 days? until you get your period (I stand to be corrected here! not sure). Instead, the short protocol starts on day 1 and doesnt have the downregulation bit.

Then on day 5-6 the ARGC asks you to come in for a scan and bloods. In my case, I will also need to do a hysteroscopy on those days. And they train you on how to take the medication. You will then go in to ARGC every morning for bloods and every other day for a scan for about 2 weeks - they call you every day to tell you what meds to take. Depending on how you are doing, they may ask you to come in twice a day for bloods on week 2 of that. Lissy did you do that too?

After ca 2 weeks of stims, you get a day off and then they ask you to come in for egg collection and after 2-5 days for egg transfer (if all goes well!). Then you wait. Thats it. Quite intense I suspect, particularly in the last 2 weeks of the process. I will try to be off work for those 2 weeks.

When you send in your new patient form, you need to include a non refundable cheque for 50 pounds. If you go for the consultation, it will cost you 150 on top of that, I think (including a sperm analysis)

Hope this helps...lissy, lucy pls correct me on all this as I am waiting to do it but havent done it yet!

fretfree · 19/08/2011 17:36

Hi,

Just a quick one to update - had another dildocam and blood test this morning. I have lots of small follicles, but no lead ones yet. My E2 levels have gone up from 666 (yes - I did spot the connection to The Omen. I tried explaining it to the nurse who gave me the results, but I just met with silence down the phone. Don't think she got the joke) when I had my last consultation on Wednesday to 1015 and the Dr is keeping me on 50 Puregon, with another appointment on Monday morning.

Seems like there has been news for a few of you - I am planning to have a slower read through over the weekend :)

LissySilver · 20/08/2011 17:31

Hi marmite, I will add to frustrated...

After your initial consultation at ARGC, if you decide to go with them, you'll do a monitoring cycle. This is something that ARGC insists on. The monitoring cycle consists of Day 1-3 bloods and mid-cycle scan to see if you are ovulating. If you decide to have immune testing, this is also done during your monitoring cycle, and is the most expensive bit-£860. All in all the monitoring cycle with immunes will cost £1000.

I was on the long protocol, so I started sniffing down-regulation drugs on Day 21 of my cycle. You'll still get AF while you're sniffing (which is three times a day, so I kept of bottle of nasal spray at home and one in my bag), but once that happens they'll scan you to make sure your ovaries are clear. I wound up having a cyst, so I had to bring on another AF, therefore I sniffed for an extra nine days. You'll be in every day or every other day for bloods, and they'll scan you once you get your period. Once your scan shows clear ovaries, and your lining measures correctly, they'll start stimulating you. You'll stimulate anywhere from 10-16 days, and you have to be at the clinic every day at 7:30 for bloods, a scan every other day, and often they'll ask you to wait around for repeat bloods around noon. You'll get a call from the clinic EVERY DAY from the time you start down-regging to let you know what your instructions are.

When you get closer to stimulating, ARGC recommend that you have a hysteroscopy. They take all the measurements of your uterus, ovaries, cervix, etc., so that when embryo transfer comes, they'll know exactly where they have to go. I managed to get my hysto covered by private insurance, by telling them that I was having painful and heavy periods, and therefore was able to have it at the Wellington. If you are unable to do that, a hysto at the clinic is £1160, or somewhere thereabouts.

Closer to egg collection, if you're having immune issues, they'll recommend therapy for you. I had my first intralipid infusion a couple days after my egg collection, then a second the day after my embryo transfer. They'll put you on loads of medication after the embryo transfer, including steroids, blood thinners, pessaries, etc.

I have spoken to a lot of women who live pretty far away, and they come into London for the two weeks of stimulation and stay at a hotel, hostel, rental flat, friends, etc. I don't think it's necessary for the down-reg period, but the stimulation is super important.

ARGC is a very intense place to get treatment. But I found a comfort in the intensity, as I knew that this place was going to do everything it could to get me pregnant and keep me pregnant. It is VERY expensive, but small comforts are that scans are included during stimulation, and any stimulation drugs you don't use can be returned and refunded, which is why I think you should get them from the clinic as opposed to an outside pharmacy.

That's about it, I think, other than always having some reading material or something to keep you occupied, because there will always be some waiting around to do. Sometimes you'll go in and do all the things you have to do right away, other times you can wait an hour at a time.

AFM, had a scan yesterday, and baby measured 51.3 mm and waved at me! This morning was the midwife orientation, and it was very thorough and informative. The midwife who was assigned to us went through everything with a fine-tooth comb, and managed to clear up some confusion as to what my appointment was on the 31st. That appointment is my dating scan and nuchal test, but she arranged for me to see a consultant at 14 weeks, as I told her about my concern over the cone biopsy I had last year.

Now I have a whole week and a half before I have to go to another appointment. Wow, a small mini-holiday!

Waves to everyone....have a great weekend!

frustratedchick · 20/08/2011 22:36

Hey lissy - well done on the scan - how incredibly exciting! I bet you cant wait for the next one. Thanks for the explanation of ARGC process - i found it v useful too. One question - i wont be able to take 3 weeks off work - do you think i could take off the second week of stims and the week of EC/ET only? They dont normally ask you to come in for repeat bloods on the 1st week of stims do they!? Also, what time are you normally out in the morning after bloods/scan? I need to be in the office at 9...what do you think?

frustratedchick · 20/08/2011 22:37

...sorry, should add that i live and work in london!

beginnings · 21/08/2011 07:44

frustrated I'm away so I don't have time for a long post but just wanted to let you know that my GP offered to sign me off work for the entirety of a treatment cycle. I was on a very short protocol (was 13 days from the first down reg shot to egg collection) so I didn't. Also the Lister is less intense than ARGC. I work in the City and time out of the working day is also an issue for me. The doctor would have put something like "hospital treatment" on the cert. It might be worth asking about.

Managed to have an HCG on Friday as heavier spotting on Thursday night scared me. Was 96.6 so going the right way. That was up from 36 on Wednesday......fingers crossed.....

lissy fab news on the scan.

Keziahopes being a worrier is tiring isn't it? I hope we can relax at some point.

scrummy sounds like things are going well. Good luck for next week.

LissySilver · 21/08/2011 12:31

beginnings- HCG levels rising is a good direction! They're supposed to double every 24-48 hours, so you're good. Hopefully they will continue to go up and up and up!

frustrated- I have to be honest, if you have to be in the office at 9 it's going to be tight, even in the first week of stimms. If you get to the clinic at 7:30 AM for your bloods, you should be able to get out by 8, but if you need a scan, it's possible you can wait for at least an hour. You shouldn't need repeats in the first week, but they do warn you that it could be a possibility.

AFM, very annoying crampy twinges going on. Everything stretching? Constipation and gas? Probably, and no bleeding so nothing to worry about, but nonetheless...argh.

Scrummybumb · 21/08/2011 13:14

Hi lissy thanks for your account. That's really helpful. Really good news about your scan and little bean. Enjoy the break!

fretfree Grin about the 'omen'. Let's hope you have a leading follicle soon

beginnings Sounds really positive. Sending calming vibes your way (((())))

frustrated I'm kind of hoping that I won't need to take the time off. I work not far from ARGC, but don't live in London, so am hoping I can nip in and out (my hours are flexible and no-one is keeping tab on my goings on, so I'm lucky that way)

I've decided to go on complete health kick now that we might be just 3 months from treatment (and to increase our natural chances too). So it's off with alcohol all together (was drinking very little anyway and on rare occasion) going to cut down/off my de-caf coffee, have red meat only once a week, increase my zinc intake (and DH) as well as B6 and will only eat organic (where I can).

What's the general view on aspirin? What does ARGC think of it?

Italiangreyhound · 22/08/2011 02:27

Hugs to Beginnings, Flip, lissy, Pocket, Keziah, Rowing, Lucy, Scrummy, Womanly, woowa, fretfree, marmite, frustrated, pocket and level*.

I recommend redbush tea, Scrummy - it?s yummy and I think it is decafinated.

Hugs to all.

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LissySilver · 22/08/2011 09:56

scrummy- I've been taking aspirin since my embryo transfer, in between my shots of Clexane. I don't know if you should start taking it now, or wait until you've had your immunes tested....

frustratedchick · 22/08/2011 12:13

Thanks beginnings, lissy, scrummy - thats very helpful. I feel a bit bad about the time off, as its a new job and they dont know me. I dont want them to know about this or to think that I am one of those people that goes off on sick leave for weeks! But I will play it by ear. I will get the GP to sign me off for some time and perhaps I can arrange to go in anyway on days where I actually dont need to be at the clinic. Complicated!

beginnings - great news about your HCG levels! Yay!

Lissy how are you feeling today? Hope less crampy?

scrummy yes I am doing the same as you. I am cutting down the decaff, eating less red meat, drinking more milk and lots of water and going to the gym three times a week. Plus vitamins but i have taken those for 2 years. All for the treatment! Thanks italian about the suggestion of red bush tea. Is that different from rooibos? I drink that and its good. I have also been told to up the dose of green tea, but not sure if that has got caffeine...Anyone knows?

marmitemad · 22/08/2011 13:55

thanks Lissy for the details about ARGC.

am really torn about which clinic to go with as I am about 1 hour from waterloo by train and its going to be a real pain juggling work and getting dd to school.

had decided to travel into London as my nearest clinic is still 30mins away and the success rates are only about 25% but its the going in everyday for 2 weeks which worries me. ho hum

beginnings · 22/08/2011 15:10

frustrated red bush tea is rooibos as far as I know. I drink it too. Green tea does have caffeine, it has about half the caffeine of a cup of tea.

lissy I'm sure the're just settling in jiggles! How far along are you now?

Hi Italian how are you?

Afm HCG is up to 345 today. The lister are happy if it doubles every 48 hours which would have put it at 198 yesterday and on that basis 386 tomorrow so I'm very pleased with 345 today. I'm going back on Wednesday to make sure it truly is doubling and not going in fits and starts. One little step further forward.

Italiangreyhound · 22/08/2011 23:09

You can get decaffeinated green tea.

www.amazon.co.uk/Clipper-Decaf-Green-Tea-Bags/dp/B003ORRED2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1314050899&sr=8-1

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beginnings · 22/08/2011 23:17

Thanks Italian! I just ordered some.

frustratedchick · 23/08/2011 09:16

...morning...can I weep on the thread?

Nothing happened but I feel really low about this whole baby thing. A close friend called me last night and she told me she is pregnant with her second child, thats the second friend this week (plus the countless ones that are either about to give birth or just have given birth to a lovely summer baby). Some of them know what I m going through and they were nice about it, but I still cant help it - I feel left behind and terribly infertile. I feel so useless. Why is that that lots of people can get pregnant so easily, they dont have to compromise their job by going to lots of tests, they dont have to spend 10k on a treatment that may fail and...arghh. I am feeling low. I suppose I would just like to see what a positive pregnancy test looks like.

So sorry for the rant. I just wish things were a bit easier. Every day I am getting older and I am waiting, waiting, waiting. And I feel so ready for a baby and so unhappy that it isnt happening.

anyway, I will put the smile back on and go back to work. A big hug to all of you.

LissySilver · 23/08/2011 09:39

frustrated, sweetie, sending you loads of hugs, a shoulder to cry on, and mounds of chocolate. People just don't understand, especially the ones who get pregnant just by thinking about it. There's always hope, for all of us! Don't give in and don't give up...it WILL happen for you.

beginnings- Yay HCG! Up, up, and away!

Hi to everyone else. Short on sleep today, so will get more in depth tomorrow. But....12 weeks today! Twinges and cramps easing, but it's because I've been taking Lactulose, so it seems it was more constipation and gas (I know, I know, TMI!). Still nauseous, but it's supposes to start easing now...we'll see!

womanlytales · 23/08/2011 10:06

lissy congrats on your 12 week milestone - yeah!
frustrated a friend who's going through IVF told me that the specialist said that it's not positivity but perseverence that yields results - ie, those who stick to it are bound to fall pregnant - not if but a question of when. Big hug to you and hope you're taking extra care of yourself today. This is not easy but as lissy says it will happen.

Wave to everyone else.

beginnings · 23/08/2011 11:03

frustrated the night I started this round of treatment I lost it, absolutely lost it. I think I just found starting the treatment again so very daunting and frightening, and above all else, frustrating. All I could think was, "why do I have to go through this when I know three people this year who have become pregnant without even trying." So I know exactly where you're coming from. What I would say is that, once I got into it, as with the other tries, it wasn't as bad as I thought it was going to be. On Thursday I will have got further than I've ever been before and we learned something huge this time in that DH's second sample was so much better than his first. womanly is right. This is about persistence, and learning as much as you can from each go.

We have to keep moving forward because we know we have no other option.

lissy that is fab fab news. When's your next scan?

womanly how are you feeling? I'm a little bit queasy sometimes and for the last two days have had a really strong metallic taste. The spotting has stopped completely which is making me happier. And the bruising from the clexane is stopping. Either I'm getting better at this or it's just making my blood "normal"!!

womanlytales · 23/08/2011 13:15

beginnings - Great news on the spotting and clexane :)
For me each day seems to drag on forever - I feel like the 12 week milestone is like an eternity away. Music and reading helps - but at work I find it absolutely hard to work on new initiatives or thinking ones -- am much better at transactional tasks though my job is more strategic..so it's a bit wierd. There are times when I doubt I am even pregnant - have tested four times in total now including splurging on that digital clear blue test!!! There are times when I think the progesterone is somehow faking it all. I have soreness in my lower abdomen and wierd dreams every night - so I feel a bit sleep deprived and since yesterday I have felt a bit wierd - as in I feel like I want to eat something but nothing I have helps me feel better / I do have a mild headache and when I go to bed at night - that's it, I am out just as I hit the pillow.

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