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Year round Nigel Slater discussion thread - Part 3

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RainbowZebraWarrior · 18/11/2025 18:35

Hello, all and welcome to this lovely space for our continued chats.

A bit of background for anyone not familiar with this topic:
The Nigel Slater Christmas Chronicles readalong usually takes place here between November and February each year (the Christmas Chronicles being a book written by Nigel Slater full of winter recipes and anecdotes) It's been running for a few years, and the contributors have collectively decided it would be nice to have it running all year round.

So here it is. It is a place to appreciate all things Nigel-esque. Think seasonal food and recipes, enjoyment of nature, gardening, appreciation of the weather, and sharing of news and small moments of joy. It's a calm, cosy space for gentle chat and merriment so pull up a chair to the fireplace, grab a drink and relax.

A very hearty welcome to friends new and old!

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EphemeraleEudemonia · 06/02/2026 10:00

@petitpasta Looking forward to your posts about the ball (ive worked them, but would love to hear what it is to be a guest)

An 'every space and seed needs to earn it's keep and cost' attitude method for lettuce and salad leaves. As long as the seeds good, you should get a plant from every seed this way and no thinning out needed.

There's basically two types: loose leaf/ salad leaves, and hearting lettuces.Both easy,1st lot even easier.

I use long window boxes because they're (often available free) and easy to move for bigger hearting lettuce or large leaf, and can be kept on shelves and hooks off the ground away from slugs, snails, chickens, rabbits, and foxes (peeing on them)
For small leaves all shallow containers inc food ones can be used.

Lettuce mainly grows itself. You just need to let them get enough light but not too much direct sun to avoid wilting, make sure you water the soil, not the leaves (water on leaves mainly falls to the ground not on to the soil) keep slugs and snails off them, and weed free, and if they are ones with hearts and start to develop a stalk, cut them. (they're about to bolt)
(Hot dry weather causes early flowering, bolting, and makes the leaves bitter, so in those conditions grow in shade, and water lots, or r grow them for seed.)

Starting out
*Drill/stab holes in bottom of containers if not already there.
*I put gravel in the bottom for better drainage.
*Fill up to 2/3rds in height with multi purpose compost.
*Now water soil for max germination results.
*Push little finger into soil a bit below nail bed (or use dibber) and drop a seed in.
*Using width of your index finger to measure gap, do the same again, and again.
*Roughly the width of widest part of your hand for gap between rows.
*Cover lightly with compost to a depth of the width of your little finger.

When ready to use, cut some from each plant with scissors (gives a clean cut) about an inch from the base. Leave the central growing point untouched. (Be aware cut leaves send out signals to snails and slugs- keep an eye out)
Keep watered, mornings are better to avoid mold, and slugs and snails, and sets them up for a day of growing.

Also cut the leaves early morning, drop into water and drain, keep in fridge/cool box in a bag or box until serving for best results. (you'll get better flavor and texture than romantically harvesting from plant to plate)

Plants will give about four to five cuttings (dependent on type) before becoming tough or trying to flower. Create a small patio compost bin, compost them and start again.
You can use it to enrich your soil later.
After a a couple of times enrich soil or use for growing dandelion leaves.

If you're in a cold spot, or planting now, use a mini greenhouse or cloche, or make a mini poly tent for this time of year and September onwards. During winter you can do it on indoor window sills,

With hearting ones, the trick is in the planning as you don't want them all at the same size at the same time.

Divide a trough into five segments. Plant section no 2 and 4 one week, and 1 and 5, in week 2, section 3 in week 3. Adapt when you plant according to how much you get through.

Early spinach, pak choi, kale, and chard, all make good salad leaves when young, and then greens later. follow packet instructions for depth, conditions etc.

Come March sow beetroot in a trough, and use young leaves in salad, move to beds as it grows. Takes care of itself and can be preserved for all year round.

Spinach and the humble dandelion are really easy on patio's too, and are happy to germinate in low temperatures. Use dandelion leaves as you would spinach.
They can be grown in poor soils dug up from anywhere, but would appreciate a tall pot or (in our case) buckets (inc restaurant mayo, pickle, etc ones) as they have long tap roots. They get on without care. Just remember to deadhead before seeding if you don't want them to take over.

Generally I do seed swaps, have a look at what's near you, or online. Mainly you want 'open pollination' seeds as you can usually then grow on and seed swap.
But for buying sensibly priced seeds I generally use https://budgetseeds.co.uk/about/ and make each seed count, some from https://vitalseeds.co.uk/about/ and occasionally from https://www.simplyseed.co.uk/special-offer.html

About - Budget Seeds

Did you know the average person only plants around 20 cabbages a year or about 100 carrots? Often to buy these seeds you’re got to buy more for a decent price

https://budgetseeds.co.uk/about/

martha79 · 06/02/2026 10:11

Made myself laugh by glancing up at my cookery book shelf, where I have accidentally declared Nigel to be 'Red Hot' 🤣

Having an oat-heavy day, it appears - overnight oats for breakfast, one of my students brought me homemade flapjacks, and I've just made a version of Nige's savoury roast squash and oat thing to have for lunch.

Year round Nigel Slater discussion thread - Part 3
RainbowZebraWarrior · 06/02/2026 10:47

Great post @EphemeraleEudemonia very detailed and thorough. Weirdly, as I read it, I had just broken off from filling my basket on the simply seed website. (Lambs lettuce, Pak Choi, Chilli orange spice, sweet pepper tangerine dream, greek basil, spring onions, radish, a bold red sweet pea and two types of French Bean) Just need to add some seed potatoes and that's me done.

Hello and welcome to the Year Round thread @leporello

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RainbowZebraWarrior · 06/02/2026 10:50

martha79 · 06/02/2026 10:11

Made myself laugh by glancing up at my cookery book shelf, where I have accidentally declared Nigel to be 'Red Hot' 🤣

Having an oat-heavy day, it appears - overnight oats for breakfast, one of my students brought me homemade flapjacks, and I've just made a version of Nige's savoury roast squash and oat thing to have for lunch.

Hehe Love this. I almost did something sprt of similar. Bought a cook book at the charity shop called 'WTF?' and was looking for a space on the shelf earlier. If I had put it next to Nigel, it would have been WTF Nigel Slater! (Which wouldn't do at all, obviously!)

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RainbowZebraWarrior · 06/02/2026 10:56

HannahDefoesSpringFling · 06/02/2026 08:17

A weather forecaster said yesterday that some parts of the country have had rain everyday this year.

Apart from the snow in early Jan, we have only had two dry days I think. It's just awful.

I have two bare root fruit trees desperate ro get in the ground. One of them (a cherry) is sprouting leaves like crazy. I cannot see when I will get them in the ground, but I may just have to hite the bullet and plant them in the soggy cold soil anyway.

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EphemeraleEudemonia · 06/02/2026 10:58

Thank you all for your good wishes for the future opportunity. Have been to see the place and there is just so much potential, if they let me in.

@RainbowZebraWarrior I'm also to far away to enjoy your honeybee seminars sadly, but love (saliva or woodland sage) for how happy it makes the bees.I plant it in sunny spots and Pulmonaria Raspberry Splash in the shade around it, and between them get so many types of bee visiting them.
Glad the post worked, I always worry about them being too long.
Everything, (especially me) seems to be being labelled vintage these days.We may be getting older than we feel!😂

@Bimblesalong Hope your busy inbox is full of good things.

@leporello 🙏Glad to share traditions. Lovely to hear about the genuine enthusiasm from a teacher and it entertaining you. Hopefully at least one child will be enthused by it too.🙂

@martha79 Love the idea of your ring representing spoons. A 'red hot Nigel' sounds a little concerning.
We have massive tiger slugs here who laugh at copper tape unless you can afford to make it at least five inches deep.

@piscofrisco To late for this morning, but have you explored sanding nice shaped twigs and fitting hooks along them to hang things off them, and using tied plaited or crochet string or macrame to make the hanger for the twig itself? It can be a useful and wet time, consuming project that teaches genuine skills and creates a usable thing from tree off-cuts... (can be adapted to be more simple or complex according to ability)

Before you continue to Google Search

https://www.google.com/search?q=Pulmonaria&client=firefox-b-e&hs=fPdU&sca_esv=ddb7776553fb21fe&sxsrf=ANbL-n62hmhwa1fcmME0iLTwe3xxhl2-vg%3A1770372664467&ei=OL6FaeCaHJeFhbIP6ez0iA8&biw=1366&bih=615&ved=2ahUKEwj44vCc0MSSAxXqZkEAHTh8IvkQgK4QegQIARAD&uact=5&oq=raspberry+splas+for+bees&gs_lp=Egxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAiGHJhc3BiZXJyeSBzcGxhcyBmb3IgYmVlczIHECEYoAEYCkjlXFCmKVjYWHABeAGQAQCYAaoBoAH9CqoBAzkuNbgBA8gBAPgBAZgCD6ACuA7CAgoQABiwAxjWBBhHwgILEAAYgAQYkQIYigXCAgsQLhiABBiRAhiKBcICCBAAGIAEGLEDwgIFEAAYgATCAgUQLhiABMICGhAuGIAEGJECGIoFGJcFGNwEGN4EGN8E2AEBwgIGEAAYFhgewgIHEAAYgAQYDcICBhAAGA0YHsICCBAAGAgYDRgewgILEAAYgAQYhgMYigXCAggQABiABBiiBMICBRAAGO8FwgIIEAAYogQYiQWYAwCIBgGQBgi6BgYIARABGBSSBwYxLjEzLjGgB8ZesgcGMC4xMy4xuAeQDsIHCTItMS41LjguMcgHxQKACAA&sclient=gws-wiz-serp&mstk=AUtExfCsCBLg2GD_05rqE4eKLfJ1OCQsjUhyMRBUD_7Bb2vibO_ToLC2TWHPveHR7KZFSRfa15QwC7etIhEbXu7tOKpB_iYGWmg9OpuhJeAWJDzZbVy8xu4E1By36ATfkH1e7amvvlgQgxmEp0GerWvT_vRSkUX76RLbi35M2GgNMkdqZqx5oWBFEkqWpDmxuvhZHe-2&csui=3

RainbowZebraWarrior · 06/02/2026 11:02

I really feel for you having to work outdoors in this @piscofrisco and I'm not surprised you are running out of indoor activities.

I don't know if this is helpful at all, but once I've finished pulling together my honeybee presentation, I could send you it if you think you may be able to use some fun facts for your co-farmers. It's actually aimed at Year 1 Primary School kids, as that's who I used to deliver it to (the curriculum having a bee topic in that year)

Even just some bits like this where you can 'see if you can spot the Queen Bee' (clue: she is bigger than the rest, and we mark her in a special way)

Let me know.

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RainbowZebraWarrior · 06/02/2026 11:47

Thanks also for the reminder about seed swaps. We have a seed social / seed swap here at the end of the month so I've just checked it was in my diary.

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piscofrisco · 06/02/2026 13:29

Oh yes please! That would be great!

frozendaisy · 06/02/2026 13:52

Because I have a thousand boring things to do - spot a queen is much more fun 😁

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Confusedmeanderings · 06/02/2026 13:56

Did you know that the whole 100 years is an antique thing came about because of an American tax dodge? Back in the day, despite having gained independence, it was fashionable to fill your home with goods from UK. It showed how wealthy you were. Of course, no one wanted to pay import taxes and there was a very convenient loophole. Antiques and works of art were exempt and there was no actual definition of what an antique was. So the wealthy happily continued to import English goods and simply declared them to be antique, which resulted in the powers that be declaring that an antique had to be 100 years old.

RainbowZebraWarrior · 06/02/2026 14:52

frozendaisy · 06/02/2026 13:52

Because I have a thousand boring things to do - spot a queen is much more fun 😁

For some reason, the quality of that image has reduced on Mumsnet, so it's possibly not the easiest to spot.

The answer lies in the top left hand area of the photograph. We mark the queen with a different colour which rotates every five years between white, yellow, red, green and blue. (We used a Posca pen to do this!)

I'll post the answer later if nobody spots her.

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martha79 · 06/02/2026 15:07

I can see her but I'm keeping quiet - feel I have a slight advantage having done a bit of beekeeping on a community farm some years back, and a course as I was thinking about having some on my allotment. We did a lot of spotting the queen. Apparently I was good at queen marking (we practised on some of the boys so there were a few bees in drag out there), with a suitably gentle touch!

I did not know that @Confusedmeanderings!

Laughing at WTF Nigel too.

@EphemeraleEudemonia you've reminded me of coming home from a couple of week's holiday to the biggest tiger slug wrapped round a cowslip plant in a little pot. I'd not seen one before so briefly thought my garden had been invaded by some sort of alien-slug!

RainbowZebraWarrior · 06/02/2026 20:01

Hello all and hope you are all having a relaxing Friday evening.

Long day here. Picked DD up from school, had a very lovely phone call with her key worker, went to the library, had a good scout around the local charity shops and bought some bit from Holland & Barrett then dropped off a consignment of honey at the gym. I've done around 3 hours driving today and the local farmland is utterly saturated. Awful to see. I think the last time this happened was the February before the Pandemic kicked in. So much local flooding.

@Confusedmeanderings I did not know that about the 100 year antique rule. That's fascinating. I remember reading Enid Blyton books - mostly farm related - which I think were written in the 1950's, and they mentioned Americans buying up old roof tiles covered in lichen due to the history etc.

Bit random, but for any Detectorists fans, Mackenzie Crook's new show Small Prophets starts on Monday.

Anyway, hope everyone is OK. Here's the 'result' of the Spot The Queen Bee competition:

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petitpasta · 07/02/2026 00:36

Well the ball was wonderful. I danced until midnight...then drove us home because I don't drink alcohol!

I loved wearing my swishy dress and there were lots of fab dresses and all the men in tuxedos. The event has raised over £10k for two charities. I even won on the raffle. Usually I get the dodgy bottle of wine that has been doing the raffle and tombola rounds for years but this year I only went and won a Jo Malone candle worth £150!!!!

noodlezoodle · 07/02/2026 02:49

Sorry about your weather @RainbowZebraWarrior but I am laughing my head off at your (presumably unintentional) competition cliffhanger Grin

RainbowZebraWarrior · 07/02/2026 06:06

noodlezoodle · 07/02/2026 02:49

Sorry about your weather @RainbowZebraWarrior but I am laughing my head off at your (presumably unintentional) competition cliffhanger Grin

Oh no! I'm sure the photo attached last night.

I'll try again...

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RainbowZebraWarrior · 07/02/2026 06:08

petitpasta · 07/02/2026 00:36

Well the ball was wonderful. I danced until midnight...then drove us home because I don't drink alcohol!

I loved wearing my swishy dress and there were lots of fab dresses and all the men in tuxedos. The event has raised over £10k for two charities. I even won on the raffle. Usually I get the dodgy bottle of wine that has been doing the raffle and tombola rounds for years but this year I only went and won a Jo Malone candle worth £150!!!!

Yay! Hurrah for dancing and for swishy dresses and an extra hurrah for winning that fabulous prize. So pleased you enjoyed it.

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EphemeraleEudemonia · 07/02/2026 07:12

@RainbowZebraWarrior I did spot her in the end but only by using your tip and massively enlarging the original picture, which didn't entirely seem fair.🙂I'm amused Posca pens are used. We have a couple of banded snails with repaired shells wandering around, that they where used for to patch in patterns post repair.
Sorry to hear there's so much saturation about. I don't know if this would work for you but Iput a bare root apple tree into a pot last year because of what happened to the garden. It's happily thriving waiting to be planted at leisure.

@martha79 Bees in drag! 😂

@petitpasta Glad you had a lovely time and enjoyed your dress. Sounds like you had a great night. So pleased you won a really good candle in the raffle, as well as the good result for charities.
Hope every time you light it, the candle acts as a conduit for the fun and memories.

@Confusedmeanderings fascinating bit of knowledge. Thank you for sharing.

martha79 · 07/02/2026 07:18

How wonderful @petitpasta and what a great prize!

@RainbowZebraWarrior Small Prophets sounds good. I started The Durrells yesterday and am enjoying that, I think it might be my new comfort viewing.

Off into town later today for the first time in ages - to Sostrene Grene and the cafe next door to it. Trying to do a bit of clothes clearing-out around that. I don't drive so it's tricky to get things to charity shops, but I've found a few charities that will send you a bag in the post which you can then post back to them, and there's a drop-off locker very near my house, so working on it one bag at a time.

piscofrisco · 07/02/2026 07:47

Ah so happy you had a lovely night @petitpasta.
I couldn’t see the Queen at all!
About to book Dh and I on a bee keeping course for his Valentine’s Day present, as we decided we needed a joint hobby and this would be a useful and lovely one to have (if we aren’t disastrously awful at it).
Enjoy sostrene green @martha79
Woken up to, of course, rain which has not stopped since Thursday evening. Football cancelled. Dogs actually refusing to go out. So a morning of cleaning the house, trekking into town to pick up a few bits (sans dogs so will also be picking myself up half an hour with a tea and a cinnamon bun in a cafe), then cooking as we have friends and their kids (and their mental dog which could go either way) for dinner later. Not sure what we will have. Probably lamb done Kleftiko style over potatoes and a greek salad. Easy enough to do and bang in the oven.
DD and I went to a dance fit class last night and we loved it. It was sort of modern salsa to current pop hits and by the end of it the lady had us all doing a full routine somehow. Different genre of music every week so we will go along next week and see what it is. Was so tired and nearly didn’t go but I’m so glad we did.

piscofrisco · 07/02/2026 07:47

I hear Mackenzie Crook interviewed yesterday about small prophets and it sounds great!

RainbowZebraWarrior · 07/02/2026 09:10

That dance class sounds great @piscofrisco and great to hear about you booking a beekeeping course. My Dad used to run them ooh, 25 years ago but it was never his favourite thing to do. Hes probably trained 100s over the years though he wont take anyone on now as an apprentice. I think in his 79th year thats rather sensible. I think he appreciates a bit of solitude these days as he said recently that other folk yapping just holds him back from getting stuff done. I'm going to be a bit more hands on this Spring myself, so looking forward to that.

It's slightly less miserable here today, although still raining and slightly foggy. Looking at the tide times, I'm thinking sod it, get the dry robe on and get down the beach asap. I'll be waiting until next month if I wait for sunshine.

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RainbowZebraWarrior · 07/02/2026 09:48

Meant to say, I love the thoughts of repaired snails and bees in drag!!

I keep meaning to try the Durrells @martha79 as I read the books years ago. My attention span is getting worse though. I downloaded the Jarvis Cocker book yesterday. Loved the first 5 minutes, then was bored and distracted 20 mins later. So, it will sit - like virtually all of my other audiobooks - languishing at 5% listened to.

I have next week earmarked for dipped taper candle making though, so that will need some gentle background chuntering. I resolve to give Jarvis another chance and also the Durrells!

Speaking of dipped candle plans, I've been looking for a Very Specific Thing for weeks. Walked into the first charity shop yesterday and there it was. A ladder shelf thing for £4. It will be perfect for not only hanging them to dry, but also for displaying at our craft fairs. DD rolled her eyes at me carrying over my shoulder like a window cleaner in the rain last night (including me clumsily trying to get it in the boot sideways, comedy style) but went "Ahhhh. Clever" when I told her what it was for.

Year round Nigel Slater discussion thread - Part 3
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leporello · 07/02/2026 11:30

I'm in my favourite cafe, chockablock with runners and rowers (the watery type, not people arguing), trying to will the weather into making up its mind what to do. I suspect heavy rain but if it would only hold off for an hour or two I'd go and inspect some snowdrops. Time will tell.

So pleased that the ball was brilliant, @petitpasta, what scent is the winning candle? I have several Jo Malone dupes, never been able to justify the expense of the real thing.

I don't know much about bees but a friend keeps them and is the go-to person locally when there are swarms, which seemed to happen a lot last summer. Your school talk sounds like a lot of fun @RainbowZebraWarrior, bet the children love it.

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