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I think my toddler fainted!

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angrypixie · 22/06/2009 19:55

My 16 month old little boy fainted today, I'm sure of it. I was there, as was our nanny. He had his back to us (standing) and was abnormally still, we called him and had no response. As I was walking towards him he crumpled falling heavily and hitting his head on the wooden floor. Thankfully he cried within a couple of seconds of hitting his head.

He was v pale and v clammy. For about half an hour he was v cuddly and still and pale (no temperature) after which he seemed to revive. He then played happily with his brother & sister, had a long splashy bath, a large cup of milk and went to bed at the usual time. (About 2 hours after the 'faint')

Any ideas/experiences? Should I have taken him straight to Dr?

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FairLadyRantALot · 23/06/2009 21:49

stars.charity website with lots of good info

mummydoc · 23/06/2009 21:52

my dd2 also has anoxic seizures, i htink you reacted calmly and quite rationally , but i must admit to having a blue light ambulance to hospital the first time my dd2 did it though she wasn't breathing at all. stars were / are fabulous they provide loads of support, advice ect , even came out to talk to myy dd2 kindergarten

ilovesprouts · 23/06/2009 22:15

sorry to hear about your dc how is he now hope hes ok

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angrypixie · 24/06/2009 06:37

Thank you everyone, once again the Mumsnet support wagon ensures that you never feel completely alone/bonkers/neurotic!

They asked me lots of questions along those lines FairLady but no, he just seemed to freeze, zone out, then collapse. No extreme emotion heralded it at all.

They are not even sure yet if the blip on the ECG would be likely to have caused the 'episode' but obviously it needs pursuing in its own right,

The tests were terribly distressing, for several hours either ds or myself or often both were in floods of tears. Trying for 3 hours to get a urine sample which eventually we gave up on was the worst because I couldn't even hug him properly whilst I was trying to hold a funnel between his legs.

A horrible day all round but knowledge is power so would rather know if there is any abnormality at all. As Dr said 'you don't want to discover this when he's a teenager and decides to swim in a freezing sea with his mates'

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smallorange · 24/06/2009 15:51

Absolutely angrypixie.

Northernlurker · 28/06/2009 18:58

Just looking for this to see what happened. Good luck with all the future tests. It's not nice to go through but that doctor is absolutely right.

FlappyTheBat · 28/06/2009 19:06

My dd (4 years) has just done this, am waiting for nhs24 to call me back.

Think it was a reflex anoxic seizure, she cut her finger slightly, came to me, fell on the floor, was so pale, blue lips and completely rigid and her eyes rolled backwards.
She came round quickly but was very sleepy afterwards. She's meant to be going to nursery tomorrow as I'm working, on my own as dh is away.
She is now running round the house as if nothing has happened.

Northernlurker · 28/06/2009 19:34

Hope you get good news Flappy - if she is ok now and you have a clear cause for what happened I would think she will be ok tomorrow.

FlappyTheBat · 28/06/2009 20:00

They've (nhs24) asked for me to take her to GP tomorrow, I could have seen someone this evening but as she is completely back to normal now, I decided not to go to out of hours service.

I have an abnormal heart rhythm at times so need to get her checked out,though am sure after reading the links here that is was a RAS.

Have told dh, now wish I hadn't as he is thousands of miles from home and isn't due back home for months, so he is now worried too.

Wallace · 28/06/2009 20:17

Good luck, Flappy. Let us know how you gwt on

FlappyTheBat · 28/06/2009 20:27

Thank you, will do.

Sorry angrypixie for hijacking your thread, was just strange that this came back into active convo's just after dds' seizure,

Northernlurker · 28/06/2009 20:36

Oh I think you were right to tell dh. Nothing wrong with you fretting together - but if something was wrong and you din't tell him - however noble your motives I think he might find it hard to trust that he's always getting the full picture. Not in this case because I'm sure she will be fine but in case, God forbid, of something more serious iyswim.

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angrypixie · 28/06/2009 20:50

Flapy I don't feel hijacked at all, I got all the advice I needed here, hope that you do too.

Good luck

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FairLadyRantALot · 29/06/2009 04:36

oh Flappy, hope you find out what it was wiht your little one...

and angrypixie, hope your little one is o.k.

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angrypixie · 29/06/2009 06:28

Thanks - all good here, no more episodes.
Still awaiting appointments for scans,

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FlappyTheBat · 29/06/2009 13:39

Have just got back from gp, he thinks it was a RAS, but as she has had a similar episode in the past, he has referred her for an EEG, just to rule out any seizure disorder.

will worry about how to get the eeg electrode paste out of her hair later,

angrypixie, hope your little one doesn't have anymore episodes.

cheesesarnie · 29/06/2009 13:45

can i ask posters whos dc have had anoxic seizures,if they have one once is it likely to happen again?ds2 did this after trapping his fingers last year.it scared me senseless.

cheesesarnie · 29/06/2009 13:46

btw angrypixie (and flappy!) hope your dc are ok-very scary!

FlappyTheBat · 29/06/2009 14:12

dd had one a year ago and nothing until yesterday. Have had a look at the Stars website and it looks like most children grow out of it or attacks can come in batches. So difficult to tell if they are likely to have another attack.

They are so scary to see, think it took longer for me to get over it than she took!

FairLadyRantALot · 29/06/2009 14:59

like I said cheese sarnie, my ds's didn't actually have a reflex anoxic seizure, they did however pass out regularly (especially ys) and he had bloodtests etc....and it was found that it was just blue/white breatholding, which displays in a similar way...both have grown out of it, however, if it is true Reflex anoxic seizures it is something that, I think, iirc, you have all your life,and with RAS or the breathholding, episodes are likely to re-occur....

I think I mentioned it earlier, but my ys had at one point several pass out episodes a day...terrifying...

with my es we were often able to divert episodes by snapping him out of it ( well, this would only work if tantrum related, rather than pain related, though...)...with my ys it just was something you couldn't do anything about...as he would go from nil to 100 and that was that....

although, sometimes with ys it would help to blow into his face, as he sometimes was ablet to re-focus and calm himself down.

There are different theories of why this happens...and whilst these episodes are often tantrum related, as they are also pain related, I believe in the theory that says that it is due to a slightly under-developed neurological system....

but honest,t he stars website has lots of info and help on hand...

cheesesarnie · 01/07/2009 16:07

thankyou

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