Please be frank, how bad are the 2nd lot of immunisations?

[BlueJellie]

Basically my little DS of 15 weeks has taken a turn for the better the past week. Its like someone has taken my high maintenance, whingy, sometimes hysterical baby - and replaced him with a smiley content bundle of joy. This may sound ridiculous but it IS like he's a different baby! We've had a rough few months and this week it finally all seems worth the stress - he still needs a lot of attention but only in the way you would expect, i.e lots of playing talking and singing.

Well he is due his 2nd lot of jabs next week, and I'm dreading it. I'm scared my happy little baby will be taken away once more and it'll take forever for us to get back on track. I don't really know if his first lot affected him or not, as he caught the bug that was going around shortly after - which made him miserable anyway (and the rest of the family as we all got it!). He also had sickness and diarrhea recently so was ill for quite a while.

Sorry if this sounds over the top, but I really feel like I've gone through 3 months of hell and I don't want to have to start all over again - has anyone had good/bad experiences of these jabs? How long did it take your lo to get back to normal?

Yes, and Isaacsfabmummy people forget how badly children can be effected by jabs

But they ARE the minority. In my career I have seen the effects of both "sides" of this and frankly I'd rather take the tiny, tiny risk of a severe reaction than the alternative which is often far worse and long lasting. With our over-reactive left-wing press, no-one escapes stories of the children who are badly effected

DS showed no reaction whatsoever to any of the jabs. I think you are likely to get a disproportionate number of posters whose DC did react on a thread like this TBH.

TheProvincialLady - i think you are probably right.

I'm sure i'll get shot down again for my last comment but if the OP is really here for advice she needs to hear both sides however unpalatable that is to some.

It is irrelevant how small the monority if your child is that one.

".....no-one escapes stories of the children who are badly effected "

That comment really makes you sound like you don't wan to hear about afected children and that they are a problem.

Oh yes, I agree that it is important to be informed about risk. I just think that the people most likely to post are those whose DC were affected - quite understandably - so if you wanted to find out about the likelihood of it happening to your baby you would need to look for more information.

When did you last see a positive story about childhood imms? All you get is the scaremongering. As a medical proffessional this makes me angry.

I'm very sorry if you believe your child was affected by a jab but at the end of the day immunisation is an important aspect of child health.

Affected children are not a "problem" - your phrase not mine- but as a parent I would want a balance of views on which to make a judgement and too many parents will read one scare story and make up their mind based on that. Perhaps some would say that is down to their own ignorance and they should be left to deal with consequences on their own but I feel some balance needs to be reached on the subject of immunisation.

As herd immunity is being lost by too many children not being protected there is a resurgence of these childhood illnesses that many believe are only in our past.

The OP asked for frank opinions so that's what she got. There is no point pussy-footing around the affects of childhood illnesses that can be prevented.

OP - Educate yourself, its not hard.

THINK - how much effort did you put into planning your house, or buying a car, or choosing an outfit for a wedding, well this is way more important, most of the medical profession have no clue whats in vaccines, they just go on what they are told.

I had my child jabbed when he had been unwell for a long time, and boy did I regret it.

I am well aware that I used the word problem. Your phrase made it sound like you didn't want to know about affected children. I find that very .

Of course it is an important issue.
Which is why it should be discussed.

And the fact that problems with immunisation are reported in the press is hardly shocking is it?

Plesae do me a favour though. Don't put " I am very sorry if you believe that your child was affected by a jab" for several reasons.

Firstly because you clearly don't give a shit. And secondly because your use of "if you believe" makes it sound as if you don't believe that vaccine damage occurs and that makes you sound deeply stupid. And lastly because the very last thing I would like from you is your sympathy

I've stepped in a bit of a minefield haven't I here! To be fair I was not aware of vaccine damage at all, so thank you for informing me. None of the information I have been given from the nhs has mentioned this?

I'll still take my lo for his jabs I was just wondering whether it made them as miserable as I've been told. He was unwell but has been fine the past week, do you think this is enough time to leave before getting them? The jabs are next wednesday?

Believer, can I ask what happened to your lo? Was he very ill?

Issacs unfortunately the attitude you show here is typical of the medical profession, which is why I have come to distrust much of it.

To say to a parent that they 'believe' their child to be affected by a medical procedure is crass, ignorant, dismissive, patronising, superior, callous and supremely arrogant (and makes the person look a bit thick).

Current advice by anyone who doesn't have a vested interest is to be very cautious when vaccinating a child suspected of previous reactions or the sibling of such a child. As a medical professional I would have thought that you would have known this.

You say the risk is tiny but the fact is that nobody, including your good self, has a clue what the risks are 'cos nobody is trying to accurately count how many reactions occur (strangely).

I am quite aware, thank you, that vaccine damage occurs but the benefits far outweigh the risk for most people.

I shall not waste my time on this any further as there are obviously some raw nerves out there.

Distrust away my friends, I will just pick up the fallout from failing to vaccinate.

Personally I think that there are more than 2 "sides" here. It's not just about those pro-jabs and those who have vaccine damaged children. There is more to it.

It's easy to say what about the diseases we have forgotten about but what about the dideases we immunise against needlessly? Is there really need to continue to immunise against whooping cough, it seems pretty useless as a jab?

FFS isaacsfabmummy

Beachcomber, I understand your thought BUT in my opinion parents can read and read and read, get more and more worried but really there is NO CHOICE but to have your child vaccinated in the end. Your right they should look into and take seriously damage to children, But what can the OP, like all parents really do????I can understand also Isaacs frustration.

"most people", yes but what if yours is the child it effects? And i hardly think YOU will personally be picking up any fall out from not having children vaccinated. Grow up a bit and have some bloody compassion.

Um, I didn't 'fail' to vaccinate. I stopped vaccinating after my first child's health was destroyed by this procedure.

I distrust the medical profession because they did not respect my right to informed consent, tried to cover things up when they went wrong and then dropped us like a hot brick as the consequences of vaccine reaction kicked in.

My nerves are not raw. I'm just against the aspects of the system that involve not bothering to record the actual numbers of adverse reactions and that allow people to make unscientific and unsubstantiated claims about risk/benefit ratio.

Tryingtobemarypoppins, how can there possibly be 'no choice' other than to vaccinate in the end?

Plenty of people do not vaccinate because their children have been identified as at too much risk from the procedure.

IME not at all.

Oh golly - this has all got a bit hideous.

My son reacted to his first set of vaccines but had no problems following the second or third set - possibly because his immune system was primed to cope with the diseases he was being vaccinated against.

Calpol is good for fever which is the most common side effect.

btw folks - I think it's only in the UK that we have all these concerns - or am I wrong in that? Happy to be told otherwise - especially if you can do a link for me.

beachcomber I totally understand what your saying, been reading a report from Professor Moxon and Dr Frith this evening, so I do understand BUT what would be worse for an ill child the possible risk from a live vaccine OR the virus itself?? No one knows do they?

With all due respect OP, I would go into it but I am so tired of it all.

I am not posting anymore about imms as its time people woke up and did it for themselves.

I dont know why i got hooked into this one.