12 month vaccination regression

[Nightlight6]

I just wanted to know peoples opinions or experiences on the 12 month vaccinations really, my child has had the 6/12 and 16 week but now keep hearing stories of how the 12 month can lead to ASD or how it can “change” your baby which is scaring me I am literally clueless on this all and do not want to offend anyone at all just curious on peoples thoughts

Please look at the proper research on this and don’t disappear down the rabbit hole.

It’s absolute nonsense and just stories.

Where are you hearing these stories?

I suppose friends / colleagues/ other mums? Online?

If immunisations were causing regression or autism, then you would expect to see more children with these conditions in immunised groups than in paired non-immunised groups.

But multiple large epidemiological studies have looked at very large numbers of immunised children, and compared them to very large numbers of non-immunised children - and the rates of autism and other forms of developmental regression aren't higher in the immunised group. How could immunisations be a cause of these problems, but at the same time, not make these problems more likely to happen? That's a contradiction.

There's a nice (fairly brief and readable) explanation here: https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2025/the-evidence-on-vaccines-and-autism

Absolute nonsense. Childhood immunisations are one of the main reasons we have low infant mortality, they’re a bloody godsend.

Vaxopedia is a great, science backed source. Here's what they have to say about vaccines and ASD: https://vaxopedia.org/2017/10/16/explaining-the-correlation-of-autism-after-vaccines/

That article was written by a doctor and has sources linked.

Vaccines haven't been proven to cause autism but many vaccines are shown to cause encephalitis as a rare side effect. There are studies in the states around encephalitis and autism/ ld and whether there is misdiagnosis.

My youngest ds did regress around 12 months so this does interest me. He has regressive severe autism. Regressive autism isn't as common as non regressive.

There is also a likely genetic link (not inherited but a change during conception or development in the womb - we had our genomes mapped). It could be a mix of genetics and environmental (vaccines or other chemicals). Nobody knows.

Autism is an umbrella term for many different conditions, more so since the last change in the dsm. I don't think it's as clear cut as vaccines cause autism. Some vaccines do cause serious side effects in some people. The UK has a vaccine injury fund that you can claim from. I think some people are harmed by vaccines but the overall majority of people are protected by vaccines. I've had more than I can count (I had to for work purposes). My eldest child is fully vaccinated. My youngest isn't.

The majority of people are fine with vaccines. If you're worried read the possible side effects and how many people are impacted and make a decision based on what is known rather than what is suspected. Talk to the medical staff and have the vaccines more spaced out so your child isn't having multiple at once.

https://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&client=ms-android-samsung-rvo1&source=android-browser&q=ecephalitis+autism

I didn't think that anyone till believed this nonsense any more.

@Nightlight6 Andrew Wakefield has been struck off for causing so many guilible parents to not vaccinated their children.

Do not listen to friends or family or read and believe anything online unless they are medically qualified to advise you or it is a peer reviewed scientific article.

The best people to get advice from will be your GP or health visitor, not woo conspiracy theorists.

If you look anywhere you can find cures for cancer, lose weight by eating one magic ingredient, gaurenteed riches, ...........look in the proper places not hearsay.

It’s all nonsense and internet rubbish.

what is true is that measles and other life threatening illnesses are on the rise because people are failing to vaccinate their children.

protect your child and get the jabs.

Whether intended or not, what you've said is offensive. Google it. Research it. Learn why what you're saying is wrong, and why not giving the vaccine is dangerous.

flic.kr/p/836e6V

OP come on. This absolute falsity and scaremongering have been going on for a long time and ALL of it has been disproven. Read up on it and stop listening to conjecture, gossip and online misinformation.

Are there honestly people who still believe this shit? People want to pin a reason on their kids having autism (which isn’t a disease or anything bad btw) and get vaccinated and lo and behold put them together. You honestly think there is a vaccine in the world that somehow unlocks a genetic condition and does so completely differently for every child who has autism?

Crack a book now for the sake of your child going forward.

Thanks to everyone that actually helped and posted a link for me to read! Feel loads better now

Good for you, for actually reading and being reassured. A lot of people aren't really interested in the truth.

I posted that cartoon strip last night from my phone and am not very good at texting! Just wanted to say, it's a few pages that summarise the whole grubby story of how Andrew Wakefield got this rumour started with his dodgy "research" – I keep it saved and share it whenever I can!

These people play on our instinctive anxiety around anything that seems "unnatural."

I love how Wikipedia sums him up as "Andrew Jeremy Wakefield is a British fraudster, anti-vaccine activist, and disgraced former physician" 😁

I love how Wikipedia sums him up as "Andrew Jeremy Wakefield is a British fraudster, anti-vaccine activist, and disgraced former physician"

😁
Indeed. In fact, all the articles that come up on google say pretty much the same thing.

Wakefield’s article linking MMR vaccine and autism was fraudulent.
https://www.bmj.com/content/342/bmj.c7452

The Doctor Who Fooled The World. Andrew Wakefield’s War On Vaccines.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7759370/

The MMR vaccine and autism: Sensation, refutation, retraction, and fraud.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3136032/

DD was born in 2000 when new parents had serious concerns about the MMR, and even I questioned it - with medical health professionals. Every single one advised me to have DD vaccinated, so I did.

18 years later when DD went to university there were several outbreaks of mumps in halls of residence around the country because a lot of these students hadn't had the MMR.

I am disappointed to read that anyone still believes in this nonsense TBH, and am delighted that the OP has used her common sense and is going to have her child vaccinated.

The Wakefield scandal was terrible but it is nieve to rule out any link between autism and vaccines especially where there is regression.

The US has paid compensation out for vaccine related autism and as i pointed out above encephalitis is listed as a side effect of many vaccines and has been misdiagnosed as autism. There are studies looking at the link between autism and encephalitis.

Vaccines save many more people than they hurt but they do cause serious harm to some people and that shouldn't be cast aside. The cause of autism isn't known and given the many different presentations and conditions that come under that dx (umbrella dx) there is likely many causes not just one.

To the poster who said that autism isn't a bad thing, it's a disability. In order to be diagnosed it needs to severly impact your life/ have defects in certain areas. Forms son autism is a severe disability that I wish he didn't have and I would cure him of if I could.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/family-to-receive-15m-plus-in-first-ever-vaccine-autism-court-award/

It's not naive to encourage the use of a vaccine that is estimated to carry that risk at less than one event per million doses.

Per the CDC (emphasis added):
"Measles inclusion body encephalitis, or severe brain swelling caused by the measles virus, is a complication of getting infected with the wild-type measles virus. While rare, this disorder almost always happens in patients with weakened immune systems. The illness usually develops within 1 year after initial measles infection and has a high death rate. There have been three published reports of this complication happening to people who are vaccinated. In these cases, encephalitis developed between 4 and 9 months after MMR vaccination. In one case, the measles vaccine strain was identified as the cause."

The benefit/risk profile is pretty clear. Measles, mumps and rubella themselves are not to be sniffed at, and way more likely than such an exceptional reaction.

The MMR vaccine not only has a strong safety record, but it also dramatically reduces the risk of complications like encephalitis by preventing the diseases that cause them.

I've found that people who cling to the drama/fear about things like this tend to have generalised anxiety and it is their way of coping with stuff, but it is not a sensible approach to the safety of their children.

www.cdc.gov/vaccine-safety/vaccines/mmr.html

@Beachtastic

"I've found that people who cling to the drama/fear about things like this tend to have generalised anxiety and it is their way of coping with stuff, but it is not a sensible approach to the safety of their children."

That's very dismissive and patronising. If you read my earlier posts you will find that I have a very good reason to be interested in this topic. It's akin to me writing that I find people who cannot discuss a subject without falling back on their own opinion to justify a point a view as lacking in critical thinking.

You may also want to read the side effects listed by the manufacturers of te vaccines which include encephalitis.

While I have repeatedly wrote that vaccines save more than they harm, they do harm some and to ignore that as a risk is naive.

If you were ever in tje position of having a child with regressive autism you may not be as blasé about possible causes.

Apologies, @Perzival, I didn't mean to be dismissive (and you're right, I hadn'tr read your earlier posts - sorry). It's just literally my experience, e.g. with the COVID vaccine, that of all the people I know, those who were vehemently against it also had an anxiety disorder. It just seemed to be their way of coping when overwhelmed by such an uncontrollable and distressing situation. I'm not judging, I'm just trying to make sense of how they responded.

Re the side effects listed, drug manufacturers have to list everything that's been reported, even if it's:
Rare: affects 1 in 10,000 to 1 in 1,000 people (0.01%–0.1%)
Very rare: affects fewer than 1 in 10,000 people (<0.01%)

Your sensitivity to this topic is completely understandable 🤗 But the risk of developing hydrocephalus or regressive autism as a side effect of vaccination is extremely rare and unconfirmed by large-scale studies:
https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2025/the-evidence-on-vaccines-and-autism

@Beachtastic the link with encephalitis, is something relatively new that is being explored. It is interesting. I don't think there is a direct link with vaccines and autism but there are cases where vaccines have caused encephalitis and further cases where encephalitis has been mis diagnosed as autism. There is a high correlation of those with severe autism and regression around the time of vaccination and I'm glad it's being explored. I do understand the difference between correlation and causation but it should be investigated.

Also just to clarify I'm not discussing the mmr solely but vaccines as a whole.

While severe side effects are rare, they are possible. Parents should be aware so that they can make informed decisions. That 1:x many is still someone's child and while it is better for the population to have everyone who can be vaccinated, those who do have 'real' vaccine injury won't likely be comforted by the protection offered to everyone else.

@Perzival re vaccines causing encephalitis: Measles-containing vaccines have very rarely been linked to a condition called measles inclusion body encephalitis (MIBE), and chickenpox vaccine has, in rare instances, been associated with viral meningitis or encephalitis, but both tend to occur in people with compromised immune systems. The incidence of encephalitis/acute disseminated encephalomyelitis is incredibly rare with influenza, DTaP, and MMR vaccines.

Or course parents must make informed decisions, but natural infections with measles, mumps, rubella, varicella, and influenza are far more likely to cause encephalitis than the vaccines designed to prevent them. In fact, vaccination is crucial to reduce the overall incidence of encephalitis caused by those viruses.

@Beachtastic it maybe rare but it is still a possibility. I haven't said otherwise. Infact i have repeatedly said that vaccines benefit the population (i can't count the amount of vaccines i've had for work over the years). Unfortunatly if your child is the one that is impacted you probably wouldn't see it that way. Vaccines are listed as a cause of encephalitis on the NHS website.

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/encephalitis/causes/

If you do a quick Google there are a number of lawyers in the US specialisig in claims of encephalitis following vaccines. This indicates enough people impacted to create a business model.

I agree with vaccines, I haven't said otherwise but they do cause harm to some people. I won't deny that for the greater good. This article maybe of interest to you.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4717322/

If you have documentation which can prove without doubt that vaccines do not cause encephalitis or that encephalitis has no link to regressive autism I'd love to see it (that isn't sarcasm, I really mean it. As the parent of a severely disabled child who did regress I go over and over what could have caused it and if it could have been prevented. We have had genome mapping too). If more research can make things safer or make parents more trusting, I'm all for that and if it's one less thing for to me to wonder about that is a bonus.