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Discuss everything related to paid childcare here, including childminders, nannies, nurseries and au pairs.

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after school/holiday nanny - hourly rate?

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bossykate · 30/05/2005 22:12

as the title of the thread suggests, we will be looking for an after school nanny who (we hope) will also be able to cover school holidays from september. i'm thinking i will have to start advertising for this in july - so not that long to go now.

it seems to me for this kind of work we should be talking an hourly gross rate (rather than weekly net which seems to be the norm otherwise).

i would appreciate your advice on what the hourly rate should be.

thanks in advance

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soapbox · 30/05/2005 23:18

BK - I pay £7 net an hour in term time and £6 net in the holidays.

This is in outer London.

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bossykate · 30/05/2005 23:21

thanks, soapbox

why is it net? i've been assuming that we would not the be the only/main employer for someone working for us on this basis, so therefore why would we pay net, rather than gross as we would do for cleaner, gardener etc.

before anyone jumps on me, i'm not equating a nanny's role to the jobs i mentioned - but the type of employment would be similar, wouldn't it? or have i got this wrong?

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bossykate · 30/05/2005 23:22

forgot to mention i am in an unglamourous part of inner london

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bossykate · 30/05/2005 23:23

sorry, soapbox, disconnected thought process, leading to multiple posts - why is it less during school holidays?

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soapbox · 30/05/2005 23:54

Pay net as she was a full time nanny who moved to us as part time so was used to employer doing and paying tax etc. We are also her sole employer so no doubt that she is our employee!

Different rate was really an attempt to recognise that the hours we need her for in term time are difficult for her to fill in with other work so seems reasonable to pay her a bit more.

Her full time holiday rate equates exactly to the going full time nanny rate round here.

We wrapped it up into an annual rate, so although it is calculated based on the hourly rates mentioned, we pay her the same each week (works out at £200 per week net). This helps her with her cashflow and lets us spread the more expensive holiday periods out over the year!

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bossykate · 30/05/2005 23:58

thanks, soapbox

normalising it over the year is an excellent idea, providing of course you have the commitment to holiday cover (which i'm sure you do).

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soapbox · 31/05/2005 00:03

Yes we do

TBH she has turned out to be extremely flexible. We had a bad spell when both children were ill lately (the first time in about 3 years - thank goodness for healthy children).

DH and I thought we would have to juggle time off as it fell in term time but she said that she considered being available for emergencies to be part and parcel of her job so came in every day and covered for us!

Also, I employ her for 5 days per week but invariably don't work on Fridays so she comes in on Mondays and cleans for us to make up the hours which really does help a lot.

It has worked out very well!

Why are you looking just for afterschool care - is the baby going to nursery during the day???

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bossykate · 31/05/2005 10:50

hi soapbox, as we currently envisage things working out, dd will continue to go to nursery when ds has started school. i think the combination of after school/holiday nanny plus one set of nursery fees will still leave us better off than the 2 sets of fees that we are currently paying. but i need to start the budgeting process now, hence my original question.

thanks for all your help

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bossykate · 31/05/2005 10:52

i really am rubbish, aren't i? perhaps i will manage to get all my thoughts in one post one day.

i mean, i think the combo will be cheaper than a f/t nanny. also, since dd will be over 1, in my very humble, very personal opinion, i think the nursery option will be better for her than nanny.

i thought you were leading up to asking me why i just didn't get a f/t nanny...

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bossykate · 31/05/2005 16:08

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ladymuck · 31/05/2005 16:12

BK - £8ph gross around here.

However, if you have the same person all year round they would be deemed to be an employee I'm afraid, unless they have the option as to what hours they do and when (which of course they won't). You can be an employee for 2 or more employers.

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bossykate · 31/05/2005 16:25

thanks, ladymuck. whereabouts are you? do you deduct the paye and ni on their behalf?

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motherinferior · 31/05/2005 16:27

BK, I'm sure you've thought of this but some childminders, like mine, do a fair amount of after school and holiday stuff too (unless of course your child ends up going to a different, less posh, school, like my dd1).

ladymuck · 31/05/2005 16:31

S London/Surrey borders. I rotate between 3 nannies so no I don't (not strict rotation, just rely on the 3 of them to see me through whatever needs I have - very irregular patterns!). But if I had just one, yes I would/did. Just checked with my nanny agency. apparenlty afterschool is £10 gross, hols/illness is £8 gross.

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bossykate · 31/05/2005 16:42

thanks for checking, lm

mi, i am considering cms as well. prefer nanny option for the flexibility, the fact it means that ds will only be at 2 places during the day (i.e. home and school) and that a nanny gives us the option of integrating dd's pick up from nursery with his pick up from school. we may find a cm who can offer the flexibility and also a pick up for dd - i'm not ruling it out at this stage. also, i'm more up on cm costs than nanny costs, so didn't need to check those out here. but thanks for the suggestion

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elliott · 31/05/2005 16:48

bk do you think you will be able to find someone just to do after school and holidays? Is it every day after school - how many hours per week does it work out to?
Just asking as ds1 is about to start school (nursery class) in Sept and just trying to get head around the implications... I drew a blank with childminders and ruled out a nanny as too expensive (was thinking it would have to be full time-ish) but maybe I should think again. I'd be interested to know the results of your budgeting scenarios!

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bossykate · 31/05/2005 16:53

elliott, i have learned from mumsnet that it is possible - however, whether i will be able to find the right person, willing to do it on my budget is another matter! there is an agency that specialises in this area After School Nannies . i intend to speak to them, as well as advertising in simply childcare. may also post a job on www.gumtree.co.uk and nannyjob.co.uk. at least that's the plan - have a month to decide before i have to start the hiring process. we will need three/four evenings per week - depending on whether dh sticks to his pledge of doing the pick up one pm per week.

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elliott · 31/05/2005 16:57

hmmm, all those options are pretty much london/se based aren't they? We have one nanny agency in the local area - I did get as far as sending off for their forms! But I think I was put off by the hassle of employment and decided that ds1 would simply have to survive after school and holiday club - the cheap-and-cheerful option!

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bossykate · 31/05/2005 16:58

our school doesn't have after school club. i think this is a great resource where it exists.

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motherinferior · 31/05/2005 16:59

Yep, that's what I've got DD1 down for. It looks a bit much when she starts, but knowing DD1 she'll be running the place by the time she's six.

soapbox · 31/05/2005 17:02

BK - I found that Afterschoolnannies were pretty useless actually and wanted to charge a pretty heafty fee!

In the end we found ours through simply childcare and we had several applicants all desperate for the job!

Because of that we were able to get exactly what we were looking for rather than fit in with what an agency views as being the norm. Indeed whilst the agency were able to refer a few people for the afterschool term time care, they found no-one that could also do full time in the holidays!

I would certaily recommend that you try Simply Childcare first, as it is an extremely cheap way of finding someone!

Azure · 31/05/2005 17:03

We have an after-school nanny who I found on the Gumtree. She is a post-graduate law student and so is able to cover school holidays as well as 3.30pm - 6pm term-time. TBH I think I overpay her at £8.50 net an hour (£75 per full day if a school holiday), given that she doesn't have extensive nannying experience. I am treating her as an employee for tax purposes. If the weekly pay is less than a certain amount you do not have to pay tax / NIC on their behalf - the Inland Revenue new employer phoneline was helpful in this respect, although we are over the threshold. The downside with using a student is that they are unlikely to stay forever, although it depends on the individual of course.

angelp · 31/05/2005 17:15

If you find a student or are only after a few hours you could probably pay cash in hand anyway unless you needed to declare it

Bugsy2 · 31/05/2005 20:52

I had an after school nanny for about a year and paid her £7 per hour & the use of my car. She wasn't qualified, just had lots of childcare experience and was an angel as far as I was concerned. I live in a fairly un-glam South West London borough & there are lots of childcarers available here - possibly why the rate is a bit lower. I wasn't trying to be mean, it was what she asked for.

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