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wowmummy · 2022-12-12T10:22:04+00:00

Hi all Ok if I apply for the 30 hours childcare and predict I will earn £145+ a week (which I am earning well over at the moment) but say it suddenly drops what happens?? Anyone able to share an experience or advice? Thanks ☺️

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YourWiseSheep · 20/02/2025 17:41

Of course you can make a loss. But you also need to be able to demonstrate that you have income of £186 per month. Not profit but income. Childcare choices are starting to request bank statements to evidence this. What you can't do is declare you are selling via Etsy and not be able to evidence sales. I work in the fraud department of a medium size local authority and we are actively working with childcare choices to identify these fraudulent self employed claims when the parents/carers have no intention of selling anything and are not hitting the £186 per week of income earnt. It's fraud to declare you will earn this figure when you know you won't hit this. Childcare choices are working to close down this loophole

DragonFly98 · 22/02/2025 12:07

KateyCuckoo · 20/02/2025 13:19

Checks can still be made to ensure that the self employment is genuine. I've seen plenty of posters on here being advised to pretend to be SE to get the funded hours.

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Genuine can be as simple as selling Avon, scency, usborne books etc. You may not agree but that still counts as being self employed even if you only make £10 a month selling a couple of books to a friend for example.

DragonFly98 · 22/02/2025 12:18

YourWiseSheep · 20/02/2025 17:41

Of course you can make a loss. But you also need to be able to demonstrate that you have income of £186 per month. Not profit but income. Childcare choices are starting to request bank statements to evidence this. What you can't do is declare you are selling via Etsy and not be able to evidence sales. I work in the fraud department of a medium size local authority and we are actively working with childcare choices to identify these fraudulent self employed claims when the parents/carers have no intention of selling anything and are not hitting the £186 per week of income earnt. It's fraud to declare you will earn this figure when you know you won't hit this. Childcare choices are working to close down this loophole

That is once the 12 months have passed. The £186 a month does not apply to the first 12 months however much you seem to wish it did.

KateyCuckoo · 22/02/2025 13:28

DragonFly98 · 22/02/2025 12:07

Genuine can be as simple as selling Avon, scency, usborne books etc. You may not agree but that still counts as being self employed even if you only make £10 a month selling a couple of books to a friend for example.

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It's not me you have to convince, it's HMRC.

DragonFly98 · 22/02/2025 13:46

KateyCuckoo · 22/02/2025 13:28

It's not me you have to convince, it's HMRC.

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I am not self employed , I just know the rules and you are wrong.

KateyCuckoo · 22/02/2025 15:13

DragonFly98 · 22/02/2025 13:46

I am not self employed , I just know the rules and you are wrong.

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What an I wrong about? I haven't really said anything?

Have you mixed me up with another poster?

YourWiseSheep · 22/02/2025 19:02

KateyCuckoo · 22/02/2025 15:13

What an I wrong about? I haven't really said anything?

Have you mixed me up with another poster?

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As a LA we are working with HMRC and childcare choices to prevent fraudulent claims. We have identified at least 30 fraudulent claims where there is no intention to genuinely earn an income and I'm pleased to day have secured sanctions against those claims. The working family funding is meant to be foe those who are genuinely working and as a local authority we are actively policing this and obtaining sanctions against parents and carers

KateyCuckoo · 22/02/2025 19:04

YourWiseSheep · 22/02/2025 19:02

As a LA we are working with HMRC and childcare choices to prevent fraudulent claims. We have identified at least 30 fraudulent claims where there is no intention to genuinely earn an income and I'm pleased to day have secured sanctions against those claims. The working family funding is meant to be foe those who are genuinely working and as a local authority we are actively policing this and obtaining sanctions against parents and carers

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Again, have you quoted the wrong person?