Childminder changing rules

[Mama12345678910]

Hi everyone after some advice and if you know where we stand.

Without notice our childminder has changed her policy to state that if a child has any of the main symptoms such as cough, temp etc they need to get a test and then isolate but also if they have a range of symptoms such as vomiting, runny nose, headache etc!

It then goes on to say that even if my child has a test and tests negative they still need to isolate for 10 days!

Is this even allowed? This wasn’t in the contact we originally signed or policy’s and if my child has to be off every time they have a symptom which could be a symptom of covid he will never be in. I don’t get paid when I have to take time off for him either.

Let me know

@Same4Walls exactly otherwise the majority of the population won’t be in school or work as we will be taking tests for Covid for the slightest little thing. Which is not a viable solution either.

We have testing available so there’s NO need to include things such as sneezing and so on it’s ridiculous.

Eh? You can't get a test for sneezing, but it could be a symptom, why would there be no.need to include that as a symptom on the list if it could be a symptom, and how on earth do you come to the conclusion that it would be harder to pin point covid with a larger range of symptoms that would entitle people to a test?

You have stated that several times and nobody has disagreed with you that the CM can an alter her policy however it is a bit much.

Apart from isolating with a nageative test, it's not a bit much. You have no idea of the childminders personal circumstances.

[quote Daisypaisy2]@Same4Walls exactly otherwise the majority of the population won’t be in school or work as we will be taking tests for Covid for the slightest little thing. Which is not a viable solution either.[/quote]
You can have test results within a few days, surely that's preferable to having people wandering about possibly spreading covid? Imfact we have had to test twice had tests sent out the next day and results given withing 24 hours both times, and that was he tests that we had to send back by post.

You can have test results within a few days, surely that's preferable to having people wandering about possibly spreading covid?

The one and only time I've had to test the results took 4 days to come back. Can you imagine how much longer test results will take if we include everything that could be a symptom?

This iscthr current symptom guidance for children published on the government website.

Remember even if it isn't covid should your childminder and their family get coughs tempretures sore throat etc they will close to test so everyone is off awaiting results....also guidence says even if negative sick children should not attend.

@Same4Walls

You can have test results within a few days, surely that's preferable to having people wandering about possibly spreading covid?

The one and only time I've had to test the results took 4 days to come back. Can you imagine how much longer test results will take if we include everything that could be a symptom?

So better to have people out potentially spreading covid to whoever the have contact with. Yup, I see the logic there.

@jannier

This iscthr current symptom guidance for children published on the government website.

Remember even if it isn't covid should your childminder and their family get coughs tempretures sore throat etc they will close to test so everyone is off awaiting results....also guidence says even if negative sick children should not attend.

Ah so the list is even longer than the one given by the childminder. So she is actually being pretty fair.

So better to have people out potentially spreading covid to whoever the have contact with. Yup, I see the logic there.

I never daidit was better to have people wandering around spreading covid. I just acknowledge that there are lots of reasons a child might have a runnny nose for example and insisting every child with a runny nose is tested is probably not sensible as it will then add to the wait times for those waiting for results to come back.

Plus itsnot beyond reason that by the time the results come back the runny nose will be gone and what happens if a week later they have another runny nose? It would be never ending cycle.

The amended list reflects the fact that before children were thought not to get covid....we now know they are spreaders and this is why.....colds and other bugs are very less common at the moment becouse people are not mixing.
Don't forget early years are not allowed ppe they are the only sector who are encouraged to cuddle children totally unprotected with no vaccines unlike NHS staff so they are at risk with infection in early years staff more than doubling sick December due to the new strain. A childminder is at risk becouse the infection comes into their home

@Iminaglasscaseofemotion

You have stated that several times and nobody has disagreed with you that the CM can an alter her policy however it is a bit much.

Apart from isolating with a nageative test, it's not a bit much. You have no idea of the childminders personal circumstances.

I didn’t say that. I say a RUNNY nose was a bit much.

Do you work from home? Are your children high school age because your coming across one sided.

I didn’t argue the days because the schools have that rule too. So why would I be arguing against the rules?

@Same4Walls

So better to have people out potentially spreading covid to whoever the have contact with. Yup, I see the logic there.

I never daidit was better to have people wandering around spreading covid. I just acknowledge that there are lots of reasons a child might have a runnny nose for example and insisting every child with a runny nose is tested is probably not sensible as it will then add to the wait times for those waiting for results to come back.

Plus itsnot beyond reason that by the time the results come back the runny nose will be gone and what happens if a week later they have another runny nose? It would be never ending cycle.

Don't suppose that's the childminders problem. She is just trying to protect herself, her family and her other mindees, which I think is pretty responsible considering how close they all are and how he time they all spend together.

@Iminaglasscaseofemotion

You have stated that several times and nobody has disagreed with you that the CM can an alter her policy however it is a bit much.

Apart from isolating with a nageative test, it's not a bit much. You have no idea of the childminders personal circumstances.

What are you taking about neither do you.

You cannot make up the rules as you go along. I’ve worked on a Covid ward since March. I know the risk and you sound like a hypochondriac by far.

My issue was the runny nose and adding EVERY POSSIBLE symptom to they list.

I didn’t say that. I say a RUNNY nose was a bit much.

But it's not because it's a symptom that children arelre likely to get.

Do you work from home? Are your children high school age because your coming across one sided.

Well I am a childminder so yes. I have one high school aged child and one primary, although I'm not sure how that's relevant, or making my points "one sided"?

I didn’t argue the days because the schools have that rule too. So why would I be arguing against the rules?

I'm not even sure what you mean by this. What days did I say you were arguing?

Yes that is the exact list that is in the policy. I have no problem at all keeping my child off when they’re actually sick. Like genuinely unwell such as 48hrs with sickness etc but say my child vomits at his childminders on the Monday so I collect him and ordinarily would keep him off 48hrs so he would go back on the Thursday but she is now saying that 48hrs has to be 10 days even if he is fine after 48hrs so he could have 1 bout of sickness bearing in mind vomiting bugs are rife in the winter and that would be him off for 10 days!

Again if he has a runny nose for a few days and clears up, he isn’t allowed to return for 10 days after that’s started. She has a sickness policy this is going against and a covid policy again that doesn’t mention this however these have just been introduced from today with no warning.

Like many have said I’m not prepared to lie to get him a test and regardless if I do she still won’t have him back for 10 days even if symptoms have passed e.g vomiting etc. Surely that’s a breach of contract. Even 119 said their is no reason he can’t return. A school wouldn’t be able to do that

Don't suppose that's the childminders problem. She is just trying to protect herself, her family and her other mindees, which I think is pretty responsible considering how close they all are and how he time they all spend together.

Which is her right but small children get colds and tummy aches and runny noses. She'll have no charges left at all if she's expecting them to be off every time they have any symptom of any illness.

@Daisypaisy2

Have you now read the current guidence for children that was updated by the government or are you going by general media posts?

You cannot make up the rules as you go along.

I didn't say I was, but the childminder can make up any rules she likes for her own setting. The OP can chose to floow them or not.

Laughing at hypochondriac though 🤣. I worked up until 35 weeks pregnant. One of my mindees mums was a nurse, the others also had kept worker and public facing roles. Not had a single day off or asked anyone not to send their child since about June when we were given guidance that we could take children back. (Before that it had to be 2 key worker families only, and I had none). My children were both in school as soon as they went back. My partner is a labourer with 2 different jobs, he also plays football and did while it was allowed, but yes, I'm a hypochondriac 😂

That's from the cdc. That's not our government is it?

What are you taking aboutneither do you.

Well my point is obviously that she may have reasons for being extra cautious. Not trying to top trumps you on knowing more

Thanks for your replies so far. No it definitely says children need to isolate for 10 days even if test is negative so my argument is why would I even bother putting my child through a test when the outcome would be the same.

You should test because you would all need to isolate if in contact with Covid.

But I agree the policy for isolating after a negative test is silly.

Please remember children going to early years are doing so becouse staff are riskingtheir lives and the lives of their families inorder to give your children the best chance of good brain development...see publications on five to thrive if you want to know why.....its not so you can work but to improve your child's life chances....respect any illness at this time can be passed on meaning others need to isolate and test.....and also we have fewer cause of colds, chicken pox etc because children are not mixing.

If your child is ill keep at home save lives and stop others having to stay home becouse you spread it. Dont be selfish be kind.

I’ve worked on a Covid ward since March. I know the risk and you sound like a hypochondriac by far.

If you've worked on a covid ward since March, should you not be a bit more aware of the symptoms that children present? .

@jannier why are you posting from the CDC website? That is not info for the UK

@Mama12345678910

Yes that is the exact list that is in the policy. I have no problem at all keeping my child off when they’re actually sick. Like genuinely unwell such as 48hrs with sickness etc but say my child vomits at his childminders on the Monday so I collect him and ordinarily would keep him off 48hrs so he would go back on the Thursday but she is now saying that 48hrs has to be 10 days even if he is fine after 48hrs so he could have 1 bout of sickness bearing in mind vomiting bugs are rife in the winter and that would be him off for 10 days!

Again if he has a runny nose for a few days and clears up, he isn’t allowed to return for 10 days after that’s started. She has a sickness policy this is going against and a covid policy again that doesn’t mention this however these have just been introduced from today with no warning.

Like many have said I’m not prepared to lie to get him a test and regardless if I do she still won’t have him back for 10 days even if symptoms have passed e.g vomiting etc. Surely that’s a breach of contract. Even 119 said their is no reason he can’t return. A school wouldn’t be able to do that

That's because all those illnesses could now be symptoms of covid. It's obviously not a risk your childminder is willing to take.

Also it's 48 hours since the last bout of vomiting, not 48 hours from removing the child from the setting. That's in normal times.

She has updated her policy with immediate effect, as she is within her rights to do as a self emotes person.
It's not breach of contract.
From what a pp posted up thread, guidelines are to keep your child at home even with a negative test. 119 can tell you there is no reason the child can't return, but they can't force the childminder childminder look after your child, and neither can you.
Your childminder isn't a school. I also think during a pandemic, schools can change their policies at short notice.