Furloughing nanny

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www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/350/pdfs/uksi_20200350_en.pdf

My read that of the covid restrictions regulations is that they don’t prohibit nannies from coming to work. This means we can’t furlough our nanny right? She’s not coming in and we had thought we’d get compensation if we kept paying her. My husband is taking unpaid leave to look after our baby - can afford to pay her for one or two months without compensation but not over the long term. Are people in this situation firing their nannies? :(

Thanks very much @mum3g5b

Hi Wireless, I've done it too. I applied last Saturday and received payment by Thursday, 30 April.

I made two claims for two separate pay periods - which is what I understand the guidance requires - the first for the last week of March, and the second for the whole of April. My payroll agency also provided a furlough calculator so that you can double check your calculations before you submit the claim.

It was much more straightforward than I'd anticipated and I received both payments at the same time.

I'll make the next one once I receive my nanny's next payslip, later this month.

Good luck!

I work in a nursery and we are still open but have furloughed 3/4 of the staff
I don’t see why nannies can’t be furloughed

I made a single claim for two pay periods and that also worked

@mum3g5b a letter from an MP is not clear guidance, only opinion I’m afraid.

As a nanny employer, I’d suggest you take a look at the gov.uk website to provide you with your ‘sufficient evidence’ that nannies can be working. No interpretation needed as they have now updated to clarify this point.

The document to which Pidgythe2nd refers is this:
www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-outbreak-faqs-what-you-can-and-cant-do
Which was last updated 1st May.

can anyone help with the calculations with a very basic walkthrough? i'm finding it really difficult in terms of pay periods. our nanny is paid on the last friday of every month and works 3 days a week, so sometimes a five week and sometimes a 4 week month. we have topped up to full pay but the HMRC calculator cannot do a full calculation of NI where employers are topping up. I am not sure what dates I should be putting in and the calculations i'm getting on the HMRC website seem really low compared to what I'm working out in my head!

Can your payroll company help? Mine has a furlough payment calculator spreadsheet which does it for you

Thanks but we don’t a payroll company I just use the HMRC payroll software (RTI). I found that all pretty complicated but this seems to be beyond me! I’ll see if there any other online calculators I can try though. I’m assuming HMRC will be checking all claims and will adjust if anyone gets it horribly wrong!

Not sure if this calculator will be of any help or not.
www.thesalarycalculator.co.uk/prorata.php

If you are paying April salary as all furlough and the monthly gross pay is consistent, then 80% of the gross and then put that though the PAYE software you use making sure the figure is not more than £2500 (the cap).

Then for your claim as the employer follow the guidance document, to claim the gross pay, employers NI and part of pension.

As @Pidgythe2nd said nannies can still work

So you are have a nanny and working at home you can ask your annnt to come in

But

Stay out of their way. Adults Don’t be in same room

And take off travelling time so if nanny did 7-7 maybe let them do the time you would work so 830/9- 5/6

There is finally some clear guidance on whether nannies should come to work or not - the government has published new guidance that daily nannies CAN work at the home of their charges (as long as they are not in a vulnerable group).
www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-outbreak-faqs-what-you-can-and-cant-do/coronavirus-outbreak-faqs-what-you-can-and-cant-do

Finally, some clear advice - hopefully avoids more misunderstandings between families wanting their nannies to come in and nannies believing that goes against guidance...

Thanks @nannynick I used that salary calculator which gave me the result I was expecting, I then redid the govt calculator and managed to get the same figures (I think I had answered some of the questions incorrectly as I was a bit confused by pay periods vs pay dates). Will be happy to have our nanny back now given the most recent guidance.

@Wobblywombat I know Nannies can work but many feel if they can go to a house (tho there work place) and mix with a family

Yet can’t go and see their parents or siblings

Seems the rules get tweaked

Tho agree Nannies should work. They will be in one place seeing them same people

Compared to a poor shop worker who see thousands a day :(

@Blondeshavemorefun indeed, I think we all wish we could go see our families and wish it were possible to mix with our loved ones.
But most of us - including NHS, shop workers, and others - have to continue working, and the rules for that are different from the rules for socialising.
Luckily for nannies, their workspace is very safe compared to 90% of other professions who mix with dozens of people a day - with PPE and office social distancing measures that are nothing like having just one family you see every day

Totally agree. Hence Nannies should go back so that their employers can work freely

And means they keep their jobs so the nanny keeps her

What You Can And Can't Do FAQ has been changed by Government. No section 12 at all now, so nothing about nannies being able to work.

Anyone found latest guidance on GovUk?

@Nannynick: latest guidance is clearly stated for all now: go back to work if you are not in a vulnerable group / shielding a household member.

This includes nannies, for whom workplace is far safer than almost all other jobs I can think of.

Personally I didn't stop work and provide care for multiple families.

However Government has stated that there would be sector guidance. They produced some and now have removed it. So I was asking if anyone has found where they have now put it.

Pre-schools and nurseries are not back open to all - their staff can not work from home, yet they are not open until 1st June at earliest. The lack of educational establishments being open means some nannies cannot go back to work unless their employer is happy them taking their own children with them, thus mixing children from different families.

So children cannot go round to a friends house to play or meet in a playground but nannies children can go to work with them... it does not make sense.