Nanny wages? £450.00 per month??

[ziopin]

Does £450.00 sound a fair wage for 22 hours (7 weeks paid holiday + bank holidays a year)

Part-time nanny bringing her own 3 month old baby with her.

Will she liable for tax & NI, can I pay her in Childcare vouchers?

Thanks

If one has employers who are making shedloads of money, paying their nanny £500 a week may not seem a lot to them . They obviously think she is worth it and want her to stay. I've been a nanny for a long time and I have never gone to work for a family and insist they do things my way.

thank you yogimum,

every year I have a wage meeting with my family. They suggest what they are going to give me as a rise, and I never disagree.

I'm always happy with what they offer.

they talk to local agencies and other parents
so as I've already said, I'm not alone in earning this wage.

They have always said they dont want me to leave, they love the way I am with the children, the children love me and I them. I give so much to the family, I often work over my hours and rarey complain. Its about give and take, which is why I am still here after 7 years, and they are still happy.

I'm treated like a valued member of their family, I work very hard (I'm not going into details,but lets just say I've done soooooooo much over the years)

I deserve what I earn.

This is all getting very interesting!

I'm going to be doing an interview with the times next week about wages, so you can all see my picture and shout at the paper if it makes you cross!

Its a very touchy subject- one thats has been in the press lots lately!

I did an interview for the Independent last year too about the same thing.

I do think its awful that teachers dont earn as much or nurses, I understand completely, I worked as a nursery nurse for several years and earned £10,000 a year gross!

Its not fair to make judgements on me and my services as a nanny, asking why I deserve to earn what I do.

fifilou, are you a live-out nanny?

hi yogimum,

Yes I'm live out.

I work 8-6 mon-fri, 2 nights a month inclusive babysits.

I get 6 wks a year holiday,(3 wks their choice,3 mine) and I have full use of a car.

The hours are never dead on though! I mostly finish late, but I'm understanding. Thats why its worked for so long!

also, I never tell them what to do, i only give advice when asked for it. Which has been often over the years.

They are fab parents, and great to work for. Its not about money, I would still be here if the wage was alot lower.

I would just like to add that my friend has just returned to work as a nanny with the family she has been with for three years with her new baby and has only taken a pay cut of ten pounds per day (which was suggested by five top london nanny agencies.)

She earns 490 per week net.

look at this!

www.nannytax.co.uk/news/wages0501.html

....and that was 2006.

Can someone tell me what £28,600 net is equal to in gross?

Fifi, when we have these debates it never about people thinking their nannies don't work hard and aren't wonderful. It is more about what real people can afford to pay for childcare.

There are a lot of jobs where no other form of childcare will allow us to perform well on the job. And I therefore really believe that nannies are not exclusively for the rich.

If you are able to command that kind of salary, then I am sure you are a lovely nanny. But, that doesn't mean that it is a realistic standard for a teacher in South Wales. A lot of professions make a lot less money than you do.

Now, we all know that agencies (on whom nanny tax bases their survey) inflate salaries well beyond the real national average.

Someone who is currently a nanny in Greater London told me the other day that all of her nanny friends get at least some of their wages as cash in hand. Now, THAT would certainly never be advertised in an agency or on mumsnet. I don't believe for a second that the average nanny employer is reflected in the world of agency statistics.

Dont be mean to fifilou! just because she earns well! she probably deals with all the shite as well as all the nanny duties, works very long hours and has little time to herself.
it can be bloody hard putting up with any family's demands especially if you dont happen to agree with what they expect.
Even if the job is enjoyable its a hard slog!

(but Eleusis COULD you vote at all?? )

It really makes a difference if you get on with the family and you are right money isn't everything though if you are well paid it is a bonus. Continuity for the children is important and having someone you can trust is worth every penny in my book.

x-posted!

I agree!

I dont demand that kind of salary, it is what was on offer around this area when i started here.

I think its a hell of alot for someone to pay out, there is tax and NI on top, and my boss is self employed which means she pays out twice as much.

however, she does it because she says I should earn what I do, she wants to ensure I'm on a higher bracket because she wants to.

I'm not going to argue with her!

The governemnt introduced tax breaks and vouchers, and I was a supporter of this and have been promoting it alongside nanny tax and PANN, however, it wasnt available for self employed people. So while my boss does earn god money, she cant claim anything back as shes self employed.

I was just defending my right to earn a good wage, thats all.

I could if I ran off and got UK citizenship -- which I might just so I can vote against the twat.

And she who lives in glass house should not throw stones... unless of course I'm mistaken and you ARE eligible to vote?

not yet but probably going to, more to do with passport hassles.

more to the point of this thread, I just tried to investigate a local nanny share and the other family decided to get an au pair instead, because they are cheaper.

For a 10 month old.

anyone see love actually?

hugh grant for PM I say.

I'd say that is very low. I thought the minimum wage was £5.10 per hour? At £450 net per month that is £4.70 per hour. That equates to £103 per week net - that's not much to live off IMO.

Though I'd bow out for a moment

Haven't got the room for an aupair really unless I put the 2 little ones together (bloody nightmare!!)

I'd quite like to keep my nanny on - on a nanny share basis but am worried now that her wages are too low (but I cant afford to pay any more

Regarding the minimum wage, is that the amount I pay her per hour - (I'm confused with the whole nanny share thing!!)

Just checked it up and the minimum wage for all employees in the UK over the age of 22 is £5.35 per hour. That means you have a legal requirement to pay this minimum to any employee under you.

FYI:

The minimum wage is enforced by HM Revenue & Customs.

*It has the power to demand records, enter premises and interview employees.
*It may detect breaches of the minimum wage requirements on your PAYE returns.
*Failing to keep adequate records, keeping false records, and obstructing an enforcement officer are all separate criminal offences. You could be liable for fines of up to £5,000 for any of these offences.
*If it is discovered that an employer is not paying the national minimum wage, they will have to pay arrears within seven days. If the employer misses the seven day deadline, they will have to pay a minimum fine of £224.70 per worker. If the employer still fails to pay, they risk prosecution and an additional £5,000 fine.

zipoin,
have you checked out nannytax.co.uk? it has loads of info on nanny shares, part time nannies, etc.

To be honest I think its a little low (be careful too as if you pay below the min wage you can be charge alot of money!), but the best thing is to discuss it with her openly. Ak her what shes expecting, and negotiate.

could you offer her other perks if the wage is low like certain extra days off or other things?

I think she has to be registered for you to use vouchers, im not sure.

if you really like her, and her you and yours then can you not squeeze a little more into the nanny fund?

Thanks, but what about the nanny share arrangement. Surely the nanny is the sharer (so she should be paying something for looking after her own child, in my time)

Does that make any sense at all??