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PLEASE HELP - first time with nanny and don't know what to do

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piez · 13/11/2015 21:01

Sorry for a ranting long post!
I have been a SAHM for a while, and I need to go back to work now. We have a child in school and a 1 yo and since I can work from home, the best option for us is a nanny/housekeeper who can take care of the housework in the morning while I spend a little time with the 1 yo, and in the afternoon, take care of the 1yo, picking up dd from school, after school classes, giving them dinner, etc so I can work.

After a long time interviewing and a first failed attempt hiring someone who left after 10 days, we have someone new with us for the past month.
She is lovely with the children and shows a lot of enthusiasm. That's the good part. The problem is:
a) She is terrible at housework: very slow cleaning, extremely slow cooking, can't iron at all
b) She seems very absent minded. Keeps asking the same questions, I always have to tell her 2 or 3 times (at least!) whenever I need her to do something differently, and she keeps saying she forgot. I even went to the trouble of writing a lot of things down in a "handbook", like the children's schedule, laundry settings, dd afterschool classes, etc, and she said "this is great!" but she just left it at her home keeps asking me again about things that are written down in there, like what time school ends.
c) She is disorganized. This I guess goes together with being absent minded. She starts a task and then leaves it halfway done, with things all over the place, like the ironing board, or the vacuum, etc. I also made her a schedule with what to do when and what time to be finished and she pretty much ignored it for the first few weeks. I told her it was important and she started trying to follow it for the last two weeks but hasn't been able to finish tasks on time.
d) To top it off, she hasn't been reliable. On the 5th day she left 2 hrs early because she was still bound by her previous job (but she didn't tell me until the day before). Two weeks later she took 2 and a half days off sick (granted, it seems the children gave her the bug but the children were not sick enough to miss school). And a week after that, she asked last minute for a day off because her family was visiting (the contract says she has to tell me 2 weeks before). Also, in the mornings she is not completely punctual. Not terrible, but on quite a few days she has been 5 or 10 minutes late, once even 20 min late.

This is the first time we are hiring a nanny and I am finding the process quite difficult and frustrating. I am at a loss now and I don't know if I should keep patiently trying to "train" her or if she is a lost cause.

I have tried showing her how to iron, how to cook, etc, and she has improved a bit but not fast enough. We have regular "performance reviews" when we sit for over an hour talking about what I expect, how she is doing, and she can tell me her concerns. However, what really worries and frustrates me is that very often she doesn't make corrections when told, even if I make a bid deal about it (certain things that are important to me), she still keeps doing it the same way and then says "so sorry! I forgot!". She seems sincere but I start to feel like I will never be able to trust her with the 1 yo, because even if I tell her exactly how to take care of her and avoid dangers on the street, etc, I cannot trust that she will remember!!

I also start to feel like she is (perhaps inadvertently) manipulating me somewhat. She tells me all her problems, for example the days before she took the sick days, she kept complaining all day long how bad she feels, how worried she is that she has to take antibiotics, her back hurts, etc. She's tried many times to tell me that the work is too much but I have had cleaning ladies before and I clean myself and I know how long it takes, same with cooking and laundry. She tells me that the job is too difficult because I have told her exactly how she needs to do it, but I only started telling her how to do it when she showed that she was way too slow and inefficient. The truth is that I have tried to be friendly and understanding with her but I start to feel taken advantage of.

To summarize, I don't mind training someone, if they are the right person, since it will pay off in the long run, but I am wondering if perhaps I should take these signs (not applying corrections when told the first time, complaining/not handling criticism too well, asking over and over the same questions and unreliability over the first month) as proof that she is not worth the investment.

My worry is that it was hard to find her, and at least she is a lovely person, we get along and the children love her. We already had an even worse experience with the first person we hired, so I wonder if this is the best we can get for the money we can afford to pay??

What do you think? Should I keep searching? Of if I keep her, any advice on how to get her to improve??
Thank you so much for your advice!

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stillnotjustamummy · 14/11/2015 14:04

She isn't a good fit for you. Let her go. It took us over a year to find the right person and now we have. In the end I used an agency - they filtered out anyone who couldn't cope with the flexibility we needed and provided references upfront for my shortlist of candidates so I could check sick records etc. It was expensive, but worth it because our Nanny/housekeeper is totally and utterly brilliant, the kids love her and she totally 'gets' how our family works.

nannynick · 14/11/2015 15:26

The biggest problem I see is - d) To top it off, she hasn't been reliable.

However much training you can provide to someone to improve their skills in doing tasks, such as laundry, ironing, cooking, caring for the children, you can not make someone change in their attitude towards working.

On the 5th day she left 2 hrs early because she was still bound by her previous job (but she didn't tell me until the day before).

Why did she not tell you of other commitments? That could have been discussed much earlier, even at interview stage. She hid it from you - was that a deliberate act? Is that what a trustworthy employee does?

Two weeks later she took 2 and a half days off sick
People do get ill but we all deal with it in our own way and many nannies will work through minor illness as they don't want to let their employer down. So this may come down to Attitude Towards Working... if it was a minor illness, something you would have let her come to work with, then why did she not make an effort to come in?

in the mornings she is not completely punctual.
This is really a deal breaker. A nanny needs to be punctual, for everything. They arrive early for work, they get the children to school on time, they are always there to pick the children up from school. Timekeeping is very important in the job.

If she is the right person she can learn to do tasks quicker, more efficiently. As a nanny I do laundry, load/unload the dishwasher, cooking. It just blends in to the day... you get a routine going sometimes like putting the washer on as soon as arrive so that it is ready to hang to dry following doing the morning school run.

I even went to the trouble of writing a lot of things down in a "handbook", like the children's schedule, laundry settings, dd afterschool classes, etc, and she said "this is great!" but she just left it at her home

Great but useless if she does not keep it on her person. What time school ends... first few days maybe but after that, surely they would remember. So is there memory an issue? Writing things down helps for that but not if they don't remember to bring the book with them!

She starts a task and then leaves it halfway done
I am guilty of that. When caring for children, there are distractions and you need to do deal with the children as the priority, not the task. I can strip a bed and forget to make it. It happens but should not happen every day.

Look at her overall attitude to this work... does she really want this job? Is she trying hard to improve areas of weakness? Will she ever meet the standard required?

Karoleann · 14/11/2015 18:31

I suspect you could train her, but she'd still be unreliable.
People who have a poor work ethic rarely change.

PowerPantsRule · 14/11/2015 19:25

I used an agency too in the end and that worked for me better than childcare.co.uk as like stillnotjustamummy said, they filter out the ones who would not be right for you.

Karolin hit the nail on the head - she may love children but with such a poor work ethic she would be better off working in a nursery rather than be a nanny which needs a lot of self motivation.

piez · 14/11/2015 20:21

Thanks Booboostwo, I also didn't feel it was too much to ask, and it is a hard thing to accept but with all your opinions, I am leaning towards agreeing that I should keep searching.

Also, thanks stillnotjustamummy although I couldn't imagine having to wait over a year to find the right person!! I started the search in April, then had to make a pause during the summer but still, it's been already quite a few months between interviewing and testing candidates...

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piez · 14/11/2015 20:38

nannynick, thanks for your detailed answer, I appreciate your point of view as a nanny yourself.

Regarding reliability, I agree it is definitely an issue although it is not as bad as it sounds

  • When she left early on the fifth day, she apparently didn't know she was still bound to her previous job and only found out that week, so she asked me for to leave 2 hrs early (but didn't offer to make them up)
  • She did try to work through her illness but kept getting worse and after a week she ended up with high fever and had to take the day off to go to the doctor and rest. That was on Thursday afternoon. What I didn't think was necessary was to take another day off sick on Monday, after having rested Friday and all weekend, but she promised me that she didn't take the day off sick lightly and that she truly needed it...
  • And I find the lateness not excusable but she is only late first thing in the morning from time to time. She is punctual otherwise, picking up from school, getting to classes, etc.
This is what I mean when I say I feel a bit manipulated, since her reliability hasn't been good but she always convinced me that she had a good reason... am I too soft?

Answering your other questions, she definitely has a memory issue... and her overall attitude is good, she said she is very happy to get this job, and seems to try hard to improve, but I am not sure that she will ever meet the standard...

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nannynick · 15/11/2015 09:23

Document things, have a clear record so you can refer back in future. Frequency of lateness for example, it really should be rare.
The longer someone is with you the harder it is to terminate their employment. Talk to your payroll provider if you need help with disciplinary process - verbal warning, written warnings.

Focus on the issues most important to you, can they improve, if not then what will you do?

nannynick · 15/11/2015 09:25

Are they still in probation? If near end then have a formal review and extend probation. Then either of you can end it quuckly if it is not going to work.

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