Term time only (self employed) nanny- possible?

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I know this question has been asked before (sorry!) and I have read all the responses I could find on the various threads, but I am unsure what to do and hope to get a few insightful opinions.

I am looking to use a nanny for the first time when I return to work soon for cover Mon-Thursday 10hrs pd. I found a lovely nanny that is also the parent of my daughter's friend. Naturally this arrangement will benefit us both as she can have her daughter at my house and walk both to school and back etc. In the day she will be looking after my nearly 1yr old.

The problem is that I am looking for a 'term time only nanny' - this suit her too as she can spend holidays with her daughter. I had a term time only childminder previously and she only charged us during term time.

Furthermore she claim she is a self employed nanny and have a self employed tax code? After reading all the threads Im now worried that this is not possible and I need to have more information on this?

Because she also used to work in the nursery my daughter attended I have known her for a few years. She has confirned that she will be paying her taxes, dont want to be paid during school holidays (term time only) and not to worry about a contract as we have known each other for so long.

Two questions:
Is the above even possible
If I insist on doing PAYE will it be pt nanny and how will I manage the zero pay issue during school holidays? Is this something a payroll conpany can do too?

Thank you!

A nanny can only be self employed if they work for more than one family (and at different times) so for example, if I worked for 1 family mon and Tues and another on Thurs and Fri then I could be self employed but tbh I think it's easier to just employ her.

But then the two jobs are permanent and fixed days and times so the family is calling the shots and not the nanny - which makes the job employment and not self employed

cry not quite, as blondes says, they'd still be working set hours for each family, so it's two employed jobs. Self-employment comes in when you have some control over your hours and can choose whether or not to work it.

I'm employed and self-employed. I work three days a week for one family on an employed basis. I also do extra work for various families at my discretion, I have the ability to turn down work or tell them I can't do those times and they can accept that or not.

In the past I've had three employers at once, I was employed for certain days/times for each family.

HMRC are bloody useless when it comes to nannies, as are local council services. My local council Home Childcare service tells all ofsted registered carers that they can be full-time "home childcarers" on a self-employed basis, I've spoken to them but they aren't bothered, it doesn't come back on them and they misunderstood what they had been told by their contacts. It doesn't help that the .gov page is stupidly ambiguous these days.

Thank you for the clarification both :) i am employed luckily! but on the nanny chat facebook support group, people are always saying what I said above! it is all so confusing.

They are wrong

Point them into this direction and we shall tell them that

Also with holidays I presume you could get round it by contracting her for slightly longer than term time on the basis that her annual leave is taken in the school holidays.