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So angry - music group wants to exclude nannies

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muminaquandary · 20/07/2006 11:38

Can't quite believe this - have just been left a message by snotty music group leader that DS's nanny cannot take him to a music group booked up for next week. I had left what I thought was a courtesy only message to explain that I was heavily pgnant & running over deadline with a piece of work, so I would not be attending, but the highly competent and lovely Mrs Nanny would be instead ...... then I get back some mealy mouthed message about how the group is set up for parents only ....

so what would they do if I'd had the baby early / broken my leg / had another, sick, child???

DH has left them a message and we are waiting to hear what they say but really and

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muminaquandary · 20/07/2006 12:40

he Suzuki piano approach is based on the philosophy and teaching methods of the Japanese violinist, pedagogue and humanitarian, Dr Shinichi Suzuki. Dr Suzuki believed that every child can be educated to a very high level using the same principles as those used for language acquisition.

Some of the basic principles underlying the Suzuki approach:

All children possess enormous musical potential; all depends on how it is developed. (There are no auditions, no belief that one child is more 'talented' than another.)
Environment is the motivating force behind natural learning. The stronger the musical environment, the easier and more successful the natural learning. The Suzuki learning environment includes: weekly lessons, group classes, a home practice and listening programme, participation in concerts and workshops, absorption of the musical mastery of professional artists by listening to CDs, watching DVDs and attending live concerts.
Parental involvement is central to the child's success. Undertaking the role of Suzuki parenting is an important decision, as parents play a fundamental role in the Suzuki learning process. The Suzuki parent attends all lessons, and organises and supervises the home listening programme and daily practice.
A child should start as young as is practical in a step-by-step process according to each child's individual needs. The early years are the best years for sensory learning, and this period is crucial for listening and responding to the world of music. The earlier the start, the better. Children from the age of 3 can begin, as decided by the teacher.
A daily musical routine of practice and listening is the basis for ability development. Regular review of repertoire and the refining of the basics in the child's playing leads to more expressive playing. ?As they advance, their musicality, sense of tempo, and expressiveness will develop, and they will progress faster and faster.? (Suzuki)
Children follow each step of the Suzuki repertoire sequence. Each piece in the repertoire is a building block for the student's careful development. Constant review and careful repetition of known pieces is the secret of increased memory and performance ability.
Group learning is key to the Suzuki approach, and is achieved (1) in the form of 'shared' individual lessons, (2) through observation of other students' lessons, (3) in the weekly musicianship classes, and (4) by participation in concerts and workshops.
Never hurry; never rest. This was one of Suzuki's favourite sayings, and reminds teachers, parents and students of the importance of patient and persistent effort in training excellent skill and developing great ability in any area of life.
Dr Suzuki's approach is concerned with the education of the whole child through music:

?Our purpose does not lie in a movement to create professional musicians, but to create people of beautiful minds and fine ability through an unparalleled, uniquely musical approach. We engage in human education through music so that children will grow beautifully with high sensitivity.?

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muminaquandary · 20/07/2006 12:41

OK, so maybe I should have read this page & extrapolated it across to the summer taster sessions .... never mind, we are out out out of the club now!!!!

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MrsBadger · 20/07/2006 12:43

am snurking at use of the phrase 'The Suzuki Parent'

utterly barking

Uwila · 20/07/2006 12:48

SO, Dads are allowed in the class then? Or is it some kind of subservient stay at home mum kind of thing. How utterly and completely weird.

kkey21 · 20/07/2006 12:49

Interesting, as a Mum myself and also a qualified Nanny, where would that leave me if i wanted to take my son and a charge along???? I haven't read the complete thread but i am disgusted! That is like a sign outside saying 'no dogs allowed!' except its us nannies!!! No funny comments please!
What an awful company!

muminaquandary · 20/07/2006 12:49

clearly the suzuki wallahs in my neck of the woods forgot to be "humanitarians" in their assessment of my needs next week ...

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Uwila · 20/07/2006 12:55

And what is your neck of the woods, muminaquandry, just so we can prperly shame them, of course.

Greensleeves · 20/07/2006 12:55

pmsl at "Stalinist fusspots"

muminaquandary · 20/07/2006 12:56

a poncey university town that might be described as elitist

ahem, I am doing a PhD of course, but you may exclude me from some of the more bizarre manifestations of the overblown intellectual environment that occurs in certain pockets of society here

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Uwila · 20/07/2006 13:02

So, does it start with an o or a c? I'm thinking o.

muminaquandary · 20/07/2006 13:09

you are on the right tracks, but won't stipulate as prefer to protect the innocent

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mishw · 20/07/2006 16:58

nice to see mumsnet and nannyjob getting on for a change!

MrsJohnCusack · 20/07/2006 20:26

MrsJC's explanation of the Suzuki method: tiny children schooled in how to play tiny violins in a totally mechanical and unmusical way like a bunch of automatons. So much so that few grow up to continue playing and enjoying music - it's just another thing to tick off the to do list.

Generally attended by hothoused children with interfering competitive parents, and taught by - if I may borrow the fabulous phrase Marina - Stalinist fusspots

let them go to a fun musical class and enjoy it! much more chance then that music will become a lifelong joy rather than a dreary rounds of exam result boasting and tediousness.

NannyL · 20/07/2006 21:26

OMG

and i thought it wad thechildren who were supposed to benefit from the group? regardless of who was looking after them

OUTRAGOUSE

I would not be going back (as a parent) to a class where the leader is SOOOOO narrow minded.

I have NEVER herd of classes / groups etc where ONLY PARENTS were welcome....

there are always nannies / child minders / grandparents etc joining in too.... which is lovely

I cant believe it its shocking!

BTW surely it must be against you childs human rights to be excluded because his legal parenst is unavaliable to take him? lol

NurseyJo · 20/07/2006 22:28

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jasper · 21/07/2006 01:48

that is bonkers.
And possibly illegal?

What a bunch of twits

daysoftheweek · 21/07/2006 02:01

Of course it discriminates against working parents so do lots of things, looks like that's Suzuki out for us then (bit of a relief one less thing to feel guilty about!)

threebob · 21/07/2006 02:14

I have tried several times to come up with a response to this one and keep having to rub them out.

To summarise:

Leader of group is an arse.

Suzuki has it's strengths and weaknesses like any method of learning anything. It's based on learning to talk - and that's not considered unnatural or creating people that all sound the same.

I run music classes and will take mums, dads, nannies, grandparents, friends of family anyone. On a personal level I would prefer the same person each week, but life isn't like that, and I would never ban people on the basis of their carer.

FrannyandZooey · 21/07/2006 07:47

It's not illegal, or against his human rights, or anything. They can take who they like at their groups. It is annoying, and all that, but let's not get carried away now.

Uwila · 21/07/2006 08:21

I don't actually think it's discriminatory against working parents. It is discriminatory against children of working parents. Agree with F and Z, I don't think it's illegal. But, really, what planet do they live on?

threebob · 21/07/2006 09:32

Working parents need a different sort of music group to Suzuki - the parental commitment is huge, and if the class is when you work, then it will never work. So it's not discrimination - they are just being upfront about the method.

Uwila · 21/07/2006 10:00

Why can't the carer who already looks after the child full time take on that commitment? I can possibly understand that thinking if the carer only looks after the child a few hours a week and those hours are spent at the Suzuki class.

Uwila · 21/07/2006 10:02

But, surely, if the carer (nanny in this case) looks after the child some 50 or 60 hours a week, surely she is the one who should be going.

adamum · 21/07/2006 10:44

Just wanted to say, although I agree this particular Suzuki group is clearly daft, don't assume they are all like this. My daughter learns piano with a Suzuki teacher and loves it - we don't hothouse her at all, she plays five minutes a day and never has to be pressured into going to the piano. When our nanny took my daughter to lessons if we were sick/busy the teacher was delighted and involved her too. It can be a really really fun way to do music. Honestly!

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