Reducing pain and stress during labour. Why don't they listen?

[rayner]

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"batshit childbirth theory"

lol lol lol

did you spell bullshit wrong there?

See ya.

that's odd.

in my midwifery training we have indeed covered the effects of adrenalin on the normal physiology of labour blah blah inhibiting oxytocin blah blah etc etc etc.

we haven't yet done the bit where they suggest we make or labouring women angry to 'discharge the adrenalin'.

I understood the aim to be to minimise the production of adrenalin by making the woman comfortable in her surroundings, creating a safe supportive atmosphere etc etc.

next time i'm with a labouring women i'll try your way and make her angry. perhaps by telling her she's making a big fuss, or by prodding her without asking first, or by giving her partner a sausage roll or a fruitshoot and not offering her any.

I'll get back to you and tell you if it works. That is if she hasn't ripped my head off.

You hear about tribes where labouring women go and give birth in a big hollow tree, a dark quiet space to get on with it. But these days/in the west, not only do we have to do it under electric lights in a room full of strangers, but now you think we should have someone come in and make us angry too? Really, how do you think this will help?

Good luck finding women willing to take part in that study!

and it's midwives, not midwifes.
The physiology goes that adrenaline inhibits catecholamines which are nature's pain relievers so best to be avoided. Also restricts the supply of oxygen to uterus and fetus so not ideal for long labours really! Adrenaline may trigger the 'fetus ejection reflex' as discussed by Michel Odent (but not proved) whereby a woman may have a precipitate labour in order to deliver the fetus safely in an unsafe situation. As eccentrica said, we actually get taught the opposite to what this strange man is suggesting.

I still want to know what strenuous exercise I could have done to alleviate the pain just before they stuck the venouse up.

Rayner/Peter the heat, you are the same person, and you've posted another advert. I've reported it. Again. If you want to advertise your website, ask mumsnet and pay the fee.

Also, she punched you/a pillow for 20 minutes? that's a lot of punching for anyone nevermind a labouring woman, and a very long time for your midwife to be away making a cup of tea. Lots of your story doesn't ring true, and nobody's really interested in your self indulgent website.

Rayner - you obviously don't know Mumsnet.
I seriously doubt that you will get any cash out of anyone here.

bugger. missed the response. was just warming up.

pete.
you are obviously talking bollocks. move on there's a good chap.

Shame you missed it.
It was absolute bollocks.

It was funny, there was just lots of irrelevant bollocks, then he said rayner was 78 and a pompous old twit (he must think we're daft, his posting style as rayner AND pete has been constant throughout) and a link to his website which was just a load of his thoughts on pain relief in childbirth, sex education, age of consent etc - boring, self-indulgent stuff. I don't know if he wanted money, I just think he wants to preach his "superior knowledge" of childbirth to us.

Come back when you grow a vag, knobwit.

and both rayner and pete have daughters named Fonda...

Tell you what made me angry during labour - they didnt have enough birthing rooms for around the first 16 or so hours of Labour and not enough G and A to go around so I couldnt get any pain relief despite having on average 4 contractions every 10 mins in clusters for the whole of that time - believe me anger DID NOT make it better - An anaesthetist with a big fat epidural needle made it better!