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Lindo or Portland? Anyone have and opinion?

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p555nat · 31/10/2006 11:12

I recently went for a tour at the Lindo Wing of St Marys and was a little dissapointed for £3500!! I am now thinking of changing to The Portland, has anyone else looked into both? Any other opinions? Also is the Portland more expensive?

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controlfreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaky2 · 06/11/2006 21:29

had ds1 (9) and ds2 (7) at john and lizzies. was fantastic in every way. still hear only good things about it. is a bit different from others... emphasis on natural birth... go and see them for yourself and see what you think.

Iworkthere · 06/11/2006 21:53

Glad to see this is still going Spockster and CD I agree, would hesitate to get my toenails cut in most private hospitals. Some of this makes me feel sorry for the NHS people giving birth privately but wanting to do so in NHS hospitals so the NHS can pick up the pieces. (No criticism implied of the individuals it's their choice and all that just a bit cross with the private hospitals who are getting the NHS to do their dirty work.)
Marlene I think if you read all the messages you will get a good feel for what people have liked about the various places.
poppynic this is going to come out rudely and it is honestly not meant to but the NHS is not a system to be "worked" but state funded health care. Ideally (but not every time) it is "allocated" according to need supposedly very like NZ. FWIW you can't "pay " for an obstetrician in an NHS hospital that I'm aware of, you get who is on duty at the time. There are many reasons not to have an obstetrician at a normal delivery and as for juniors "practising" in the good old days most people wanted the junior to do virtually everything since they were the ones who did stuff but (subject for another thread) the NHS and medical training is going down the pan so that no longer routinely applies I guess.
Indi28 and spud I am very sorry for what happened to you I do hope it is reversible.
Oh and I work in neither Portland or Lindo sorry.

poppynic · 07/11/2006 10:23

Iworkthere. Thanks for responding, I don't take your comment as rude. It interests me that here a lot of doctors go public, whereas in NZ, from my admittedly limited experience they (and most professionals) hire a private obstetrician (with their associated midwives) and deliver in a public hospital. Obviously the public system must have medical staff's confidence, which is somewhat reassuring.

In a perfect world everyone would get what they need but with limited resources and fallible human beings that doesn't always happen - hence some tragic results.

All I mean by "working the system" is how to get the best out of it. I am experienced in law and therefore am aware how to help my lawyer get me the best results for the least cost. I know that when I am present and helping in my son's nursery he gets more than his share of attention. I'm sure people familiar with the hospital system know how to help it to help them.

I feel very alien in a hospital setting and want to know any tips on how to get the best out of it, which I haven't managed so far.

(My last birth wasn't straightforward but I only found that out afterwards because my very experienced obstetrician was soooo calm and reassuring.)

Spockster · 07/11/2006 19:28

The real question now would seem to be why anyone with enough resources for 6 private hatchings would still be working with the great unwashed...and how on earth she finds the time....oh, and what you do if you've paid a fortune for a private consultant to deliver you & he happens to be 7 holes round the golf course (or squiffy at the 19th hole) when you start contracting?????

Spockster · 07/11/2006 19:31

oh independent midwives...independent until something goes wrong & the NHS medics get called in...ooops someone got me started again.....

Ilovemyboy · 07/11/2006 19:46

animalfarm - Why Donald Gibb?

I had a scan done by him at his clinic. He was quite impatient trying to get the perfect shot of my baby who just wasn't co-operating and was quite rough with the ultrasound thing when trying to get the baby to move. It annoyed me.

While I was lay having the scan, he seemed more interested in why I had chosen his private clinic for a scan over the others on Harley Street and he looked pleased when I said it was because of his reputation and links with the Portland then he himself said that the other clinics were 'very commercial'. Yeah whatever.

As soon as it was over he ushered me quickly out of the door. Probably because I wasn't paying him £4000 or whatever he wants for consultant-led care. I also happened to notice a big A4 size pic of Kate Winslet and her daughter on his desk so he obviously delivered the little girl.

Celebrity quacks - I think they come across as being really unprofessional. But that's just my 2 cents worth...

animalfarm · 07/11/2006 20:10

I had a very good experience when I saw him and he did all he could to help, given the mess the NHS had caused. Hence, if I were to have another child and could afford to go private I would choose him.

spudballoo · 07/11/2006 20:57

Animalfarm, Dr Gibb is my consultant and, likewise, has been enormously kind and patient with me (and so he should at those rates!). I had a shocking first birth, and he is very careful to keep my at my ease.

This thread seems to have gone off-track somewhat!

Ilovemyboy · 07/11/2006 21:34

I didn't ever mean to intend that Dr Gibb isn't highly qualified at his job and very experienced. Those are the reasons I went to him in the first place and I am guessing that you did too.

It's just a shame that you would have to pay a f-ing fortune to use his services when you feel that he can give you what you need.

The subject at hand is whether private care is worth the money - and I came out of his scan feeling a little deflated by his actions.

That was just my personal experience though.

mozhe · 07/11/2006 23:10

Hey spockster....I do my job,( nhs+private...but much, much more of the former....), because I love it,trained long and hard for it and yes I get paid for it too...Please do not refer to my patients as the' great unwashed ' that's frankly insulting! Oh and it's 4 ' hatchings ',( as you so eloquently put it....), to date because I have twins...no 6 would be the icing on the cake as far as I'm concerned.Why do I have so many children ? Well I love that part of life too....weird ain't it...Plenty of women have larger than average families and work, and enjoy it too,and manage well most of the time too.
ps; Neither me nor my consultant play golf....so thats lucky..

hub2dee · 07/11/2006 23:57

We had dd at the Portland 16 months ago. We were happy with the care. We (she) used the NICU / SCBU. If you archive search my name and portland you'll probably find a pile of posts !

hth

btw- not being 'on the inside' (as some of the medics on this thread obviously are)... re: private hospitals 'chucking' the emergency complications to NHS hospitals... wouldn't these women have ended up there anyway IYSIWM ? Surely this saves money for the NHS as the transfer to NHS care occurs so late (although I appreciate this sort of emergency care must be tremendously expensive). (This discussion must assume the consultants / staff delivering the baby in a private hospital are at least as good as on the NHS IYSWIM, which is what I assume, especially as so many work both systems)...

Iworkthere · 08/11/2006 00:18

hub 3 things
a) that's assuming the complications would have occured if the birth had happened on the NHS
b) the cost of picking up the pieces is often way more than the cost of a private birth which the hospital will get from insurance anyway.
c) It is possible to work in private hospitals and not the NHS.
(btw I'm not saying the NHS is wonderful and private awful or anything like that I know some people get a raw deal)
Mohze I don't think spockster was being rude if you look at some earlier posts it's just her style. I too wonder how you have time for it all it's not disrespectful just a genuine "wonder". There are plenty of people with fewer children who give up because it is so hard to juggle. It is possible to learn from how others do it.

Iworkthere · 08/11/2006 00:35

poppynic I think Doctors go with the NHS for all sorts of reasons. In NZ they are in a much higher income bracket generally so cost is def one thing. I'm curious, are you saying that most Drs take a private medical team into a NZ state hospital? I thought most people used the private bit to get the single room/have the consultant do the CS etc. There is also a latent belief that the NHS is good for you (or whatever) I "know" the NHS I feel "comfortable" with it (comes from spending every bl**dy waking hour there). I know that the NHS can deal with what goes wrong (whether individual Docs can is another story) but the NHS can and wont throw me out when the money runs out. As for "working the system" I know to take my own t-bags! I know not to scream and shout for attention when there is "nothing wrong with me!" I wait my turn. I'm not rude. I've never hit or threatened a member of staff. (I'm really warming to this now). I don't hastle people who I know can't help me to do someone else's job because it's more convenient for me. I say thankyou. Any specific questions about what you wish to "work"? Some people are just very good at working things to their advantage I admit. I will think some more.

hub2dee · 08/11/2006 07:29

Thanks for the comments.

Re the three points... a) Yes, that is exactly my assumption. Often the same consultants will work both NHS and have slots at private hospitals, so I assume they and their team are as competent in both arenas (perhaps assumiing access to a theatre which is maybe more likely in an NHS setting, although I was pleasantly surprised by spud's post which stated the Portland had 4).

Aside from the statistical skew towards 'riskier' births in the private sector (which I presume happens because of health insurance and other factors) )is this right ???), it would be the same woman giving birth, but in the private sector she is more likely to have a more qualified team present (ie more consultant led births IYSWIM), so surely she would be less likely (isolating individual risk factors for one moment, focussing only on 'skill,') to have a bodged birth.

Re: b) I think my point is that (assuming the emergency support would have been needed because the woman's birth hadn't been mismanaged), then it's still possible / likely the woman would have required it, so surely there's no excess cost IYSWIM ?

c) I hadn't thought about this, and I suppose yes this is possible. Is your point that the NHS is starved of this particular resource in this case ? Interesting... I wonder hwo many individual who do work in this way simply 'had enough,' and left the NHS, and and how many chose it as a preference wrt working environment...

Spockster · 08/11/2006 09:18

Yes sorry, my "style" gets me in to trouble all the time...at work too. That's another story...No I am frankly in awe, b/c even with only 2 dds my kids would certainly count as 2 of the little unwashed. Mohze do you work full time? You must have a nanny! Cleaner? Gardener? Butler?! Domestic staff, def. the way forward...
Just to get slightly on track again, I did find myself getting a private O&G consultation postnatally, after the local hospital accused my of DNAing when they never even sent me an appointment..I am lucky as I have insurance with work, I don't think I'd have been able to bring myself to pay for it myself. The private/NHS thing really gets me going, I think it's to do with working like a dog all those years, and when people slate the NHS and think private is so much better simply b/c they are paying extra for it, it's like a slap in the face to everyone who gives their life to the NHS (yes, it really feels like that at least when you are training!)
So I am a bit of a hypocrite. Sorry.

mousiemousie · 08/11/2006 09:39

There is an easy answer to all of this.

Simply choose your favourite celebrity mother and copy them.

poppynic · 08/11/2006 09:53

Love it mousiemousie - I think Sophie's doc did a great job - got an honours out of it anyway.

poppynic · 08/11/2006 11:00

Sorry Spockster, on my visits to the NHS I've certainly seen the staff working hard however it just seems like there are too many patients and it's a total factory. As a patient I feel like an anonymous item to be moved along the conveyor belt. If I happen to be the wrong "size" or "shape" I will just fall off the side into the garbage and no one will be any the wiser. It's just a matter of resourcing which I doubt anyone would argue is adequate in the public sector.

Iworkthere - thanks for your input. I think I'm very good at polite (can also read that as not particularly assertive, especially in extremis) however my concern is that means I will just get left. I suspect those people who do demand get attention? When you're in labour how can you know whether you need attention or not? And how can anyone else know unless they check you out? MizZan's post sums up the problem, seemingly a similar problem in lots of cases where birth goes wrong.

In NZ I don't think it's a case that doctors earn a lot more, more that the "luxuries" - like private consultants are much less expensive relatively. I paid NZ$1,500 (about £500!) for consultant led-care - all pre-natal appointments with him and two post-natal, plus access to one of the midwives who worked in a team with him any time I wanted. I had her cellphone which she answered and she happily popped round to check the baby when I rang her on a Sunday morning!. (I had been careful not to bother her too much during the pregnancy and only rung her once.) Conversely, I've never managed to actually get through to the maternity section of my NHS hospital. The only actual person the freindly switchboard could suggest he could put me through to was Complaints!

The reason I chose to pay for a private consultant, and one which my GP friend entirely agreed, was that I imagine that hospitals (like law firms) are very hierarchical. And, from working in a large law firm I know that the partner's work always gets priority over anyone down the ladder (even if the minion's does have an earlier deadline and they are working for a different partner). So, in a hospital, if you are the consultant's work, they are able to assert their authority in your interests. Although consultants work both in public and private sector, if they are being paid to attend the birth of "their" patient it gives them a personal investment in being there. For example, a friend (in NZ) went public (against her family's (including 3 docs) advice) and ended up with an emergency cs being performed by a registrar who "got stuck" and couldn't get the baby out, then rang the on call consultant, who told her what to do over the phone, she had another go, still couldn't do it, rang again and eventually consultant turned up. Baby was eventually got out, friend nearly haemorraged (sp?) to death and suffered major post-traumatic shock. Consultant apologised, said he should have been there but registrar wasn't as experienced as he had thought and as she should have been. My friend used the same consultant privately (in the public hospital) for next two births, and can't speak highly enough of him. Hiring a consultant means you know them and and that they will be doing any cs, stitching, etc. It means you can be assured that the person doing the work is hugely experienced. Mine had delivered half of Wellington for the past 20+ years and can do a cs in 3 minutes... I think in NZ private hospitals are just for the pretty rooms, or short waiting lists in non-maternity cases.

Incidentally, I read the other day that consultants are less likely to do cs than senior-registrars - possibly bec. senior reg's will "play it safe" in order not to blot their copy book before they make it to the holy grail...

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