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Share experiences and get support around labour, birth and recovery.

Some CS questions - would appreciate answers!

61 replies

Angelico · 13/09/2012 22:36

Hi ladies, having ELCS in 12 days. Was wondering if anyone could answer a few questions:

  1. People recommend arnica. Is that tablets? Where do you get / how many do you take? Do they actually work???

2.Trapped wind pain - is it common? Got some peppermint oil capsules, when do you take them? After CS or start before? Does peppermint tea help?

  1. Did you get good pain relief or should I take in some of my own painkillers? They will give me a suppositry and consultant assures me they will give me painkillers and to take them (ie don't be a hero) but I know wards get busy...
  1. Senna tablets or lactulose - useful? Or did you just eat prunes and things?
  1. Am probably getting spinal rather than epidural. Is this a good method? I know it can't be topped up.

Thanking you in advance!

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Angelico · 21/09/2012 22:12

Ooooh Potol can you explain? What sort of pad? Like press a sanitary pad against wound when you move / poo? Sorry if this is dumb!

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ThePetiteMummy · 21/09/2012 22:23

Hi Angelico, I've had 2 CS, last one 9 weeks ago! Don't know if anyone has mentioned this already on your other threads, but make are you get yourself some BIG knickers! We're talking granny style, up to the armpits (well, waist anyway!), as anything smaller will tend to roll down towards your incision - ouch! I'm still wearing mine, as the area can become tender if anything rubs across it (such as jeans). Best of luck for Tuesday!

marshmallowpies · 21/09/2012 22:25

I had the shoulder pain (owwww it was the worst part of the CS overall) but it went away as soon as I was able to sit up in bed. Don't remember trapped wind being any worse than usual.

I took dried apricots as a snack and that helped things massively on the loo front.

I haven't been rubbing any oil into my scar, though - I still have stretch mark oil I was given before birth, would that be ok to use on the scar, does anyone know?

Potol · 21/09/2012 23:00

Yes, so take a pad and put it across the belly where your scar is. You will need a second pad for your lochia. I used meshy knickers- JoJo Maman Bebe make a set of 5 for 7-8 quid and they are washable and a big cotton one on top of it. But the pad across the wound was really useful while getting in and out of bed and bfing- I wasn't afraid of the baby kicking me there.

Potol · 21/09/2012 23:01

Sorry, I was inarticulate. Yes, a sanitary or maternity pad.

Angelico · 23/09/2012 13:30

That makes sense Potol - thanks! Going in on Tuesday - any last minute bits of advice?! :)

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marshmallowpies · 23/09/2012 13:51

Good luck!
I'd say - ask for help if you need it, accept help if it's offered and take the painkillers!

If they try and make you get up on the first day (ie the same day you had the op) and you don't feel ready, say no!

I got ticked off by a midwife for declining to get up for a shower at 6am (?!) the next morning - I said 'I'm waiting for my husband to arrive, he's going to help me shower', and she said 'I'm going to have to put it in your notes 'refused to take shower'' which I was very cross about - not refusing, just waiting until DH was there to help me! Anyway once you've showered you do feel MUCH better but have to push back if they are trying to make you do too much too soon.

Potol · 23/09/2012 19:55

Enjoy it. This may be a weird thing to say about major surgery but you should absolutely enjoy it. it is the birth of your child after all. I tried to take everything in, all the little details so I could remember it later. just because it isnt a vaginal birth, doesnt mean these details arent important to you.

Don't be afraid to ask the doctors any questions you may have before or after. Ask for skin to skin if that's what you want. I had skin to skin in theatre and was feeding half an hour later in the recovery room. Ask for all the bfing help you can, if you are planning to.

Do get up and walk a bit once the epidural has worn off- it won't be comfortable but will be worth it. When you lie down make sure everything is at hand, especially water and snacks so you don't have to sit up too much. The hospital bed is great after a CS because it moves up and down. Have the bed button at hand as well so you are not reaching over. And for the first three weeks, REST. Your scar and your body will heal much much quicker.

Also, they will put a catheter in. A lot of ppl hate it. I didn't mind it because it meant I didn't have to get up and hobble to the loo to wee.

urbanturban · 23/09/2012 20:04

Just checking in to say good luck Angelico.........I am going in tomorrow morning for an ELCS with DC3 and this thread has been fantastic for advice!

Hope all goes well for us both and that we are snuggled up ASAP with our gorgeous babies! Smile

skandi1 · 23/09/2012 20:22

Hi

My second was an ELCS (first EMCS).

Arnica is helpful but obviously not a miracle healer. Takes any bruising out of it.

You are probably having an epidural as that can be topped up. I don't believe a spinal can. For my ELCS I had an epidural and it was good and worked well. Very relaxed so lots of time for it to work well.
For EMCS I had epidural which was one sided and then had to have a spinal as well. Couldn't move for over 9 hours.

They will provide you with all the pain relief you need. Once you are out of recovery, you will probably get a morphine top up or two If you feel pain, speak up immediately as it can take them a while to organise the necessary. You will then move onto tablet (not sure exactly what they were and in which order. ).

Peppermint capsules. Peppermint tea doesn't do it. If its very bad then you get a small amount of liquid peppermint to drink. Sorts it in no time.

I never needed anything to get things moving. Most people recommend lactulose though.

And one last tip. Do Not apply fake tan prior to ELCS (or EMCS)!!! I managed to do this twice in the belief I would look better for the birth. The fake tan rubs off in the hours after surgery/birth as your body is sweating out water/hormones/drugs etc. so not only do you white and orange patchy but if you are also itchy after the morphine and rub your arms etc with a damp flannel, brown staining goes onto the flannel. It is mortifying. Almost worse than 52 hours of futile labour the first time. And a school girl error the second time. The midwives were really nice about it but one did fail to stifle a snigger. Blush

Angelico · 23/09/2012 20:36

Urban best of luck! :) Thanks for all tips and Potol I am being fairly positive about the whole thing, probably because I've known for ages that I'm having CS (years actually! lol) so have never had to 'mourn' a natural birth - think that's great advice to enjoy it.

Skandi I am having a spinal as far as I know - I think they prefer it as you seem to be able to get moving fairly quickly afterwards. Am a bit concerned about another poster mentioning morphine in it as morphine makes me puke! Will have to ask about it tomorrow in the hospital when I go for pre-op stuff.

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cravingyorkiebar · 23/09/2012 21:00

Hi, pain relief on the ward worked fine. I was given paracetamol and diclofenac. Don't take your own in particularly if you are planning to breastfeed as you can't take some especially codeine if you are.

I had trapped wind once which just resolved, nothing too severe.

I didn't need laxatives but I did make sure I drank loads of water and fruit etc

Didn't bother with arnica.

Spinal worked fine!

All in all my cs went fine. Do remember to pack earplugs.. post natal wards are very noisy all night. With ear plugs you can still hear your baby as they are right next to you but it helps to shut out the rest! Also I found a big bar of dairy milk choc invaluable!

Actually I would also add- take food! Dinner on the ward is about 530 and if you are anything like me you would struggle to last til breakfast!

Second vote for granny knickers in a size bigger than normal.

Good luck x

MummysHappyPills · 23/09/2012 21:12

Angelico, I have similar problems with NSAIDs being rough on my tummy, so much so that I refused them after my CS. However since then I need to take painkillers for my endometriosis and I have found that either taking ranitidine or omeprazole (to reduce stomach acid) at the same time I can tolerate naproxen, and that is on eof the strongest ones. I was prescribed ranitidine during pg for heartburn so it must be safe when breastfeeding. If the hospital can't prescribe it, go and see your GP shortly after you are discharged. I got a telephone consultation with mine the day after as the fairly weak co-dydramol they discharged me with weren't cutting it!

skandi1 · 23/09/2012 22:46

They will give you an anti sickness jab before they give you the spinal or epidural.
You should be fine even with morphine.

Good luck and enjoy your new baby Smile

Angelico · 05/10/2012 19:57

Hi all, just thought I would update. I had my CS last week and am still quite sore. Found the diclofenac and paracteamol offered completely crap but they wouldn't give anything else because of breastfeeding. My friend had a CS a few years ago and was given co-codamol even though breastfeeding but they didn't seem keen to give them to me.

I went to acupuncture at the start of the week and found it helpful, along with advice to use heat on the area. My pain wasn't at incision but up above where they 'retract' everything to get baby out and stretch the muscles. The heat really settled that pain as it was almost like muscle strain. Unfortunately I am now quite sore closer to the incision but it's a more manageable pain and I can do a lot more. Going back to acupuncture tomorrow so will pass on any words of wisdom :)

Thanks again for all the tips - I've found the lactulose and prunes useful, arnica I eventually got but tbh think it's bollocks. As for trapped wind - not much of a problem but they gave me some peppermint water the day I was leaving hospital. Told me I could buy it at pharmacist but no one seems to stock it.

Good luck to anyone having a CS Thanks

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NellyBluth · 05/10/2012 20:19

Aw, congrats! But how did you manage to not update us on baby? Smile

MummysHappyPills · 05/10/2012 22:17

That was truly rubbish of them! I was bfing and I had oromorph!

MummysHappyPills · 05/10/2012 22:17

And congratulations btw.Smile

MummysHappyPills · 05/10/2012 22:23

Oh and keep an eye on the soreness round the incision, it may be a sign of infection. I had absolutely no problems after my cs, but I had a laparoscopic operation more recently and I ended up getting an infection in one of the incisions. Signs to look out for are hardening, redness, soreness and heat, and of course weeping or discharge, but it doesn't necessarily have to weep (mine didn't - collected under skin)

I'm sure you'llbe fine, but if it suddenly starts getting sorer beware as it should be getting better, not worse.

Hope you continue to feel better. Smile

Angelico · 05/10/2012 22:27

Sorry Nelly I updated the October thread and GD thread :) We had a DD 7lbs 10.5oz. She is very cute when she lets us get enough sleep...! And thanks Mummys :)

I have to say I was surprised at how painful the first week was post-CS, probably largely due to the shit drugs which I am still taking religiously... I had to beg to get a few co-codamol home but ended up not taking them as they made me feel like I was going to drug Beanie to the eyeballs Hmm You can imagine my Shock and [anger] when friend said she was given armloads of them after her CS. I am still sore but it's manageable now and I can do stuff within reason.

I really felt they were very dismissive of my pain tbh - and I'm the kind of person who goes 6 months at a time without ever taking so much as a paracetamol. MY DH told them this as I was starting to get paranoid that they thought I was some drug-crazed pill-popper Hmm I found a couple of the doctors were much nicer about pain than the midwives - the night after the CS I had only slept 1 hour out of 48 and was really sore. Doc gave me some stronger painkillers and a sleeping tablet and took DD to the nursery so I could sleep. Midwife was quite disapproving that DD had to be formula fed that night - not that it appears to have done her any harm as she is a voracious breast-feeder and had only lost 5oz when weighed... Hmm

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MummysHappyPills · 05/10/2012 22:59

It really gets my goat that pain is downplayed. It is a major op. I consider myself to have a reasonably high pain threshold, but after my cs I had taken my 4 doses of co-dydramol (weak ones), every 4 hours, but ended up in pain in the middle of the night and couldn't take any more for 6 hours, as I'd taken all my day's dose iyswim? Called gp next day, and they were very good and prescribed cocodamol and oromorph. Mw was a bit Hmm about that but I didn't care. I am a medical student, and I have learnt that pain is not good, it slows recovery as you are not up and about, it stresses the body and it is distressing! There are no medals for putting up with pain for the sake of it. It angers me when women are expected to go through pain that no other patient would be expected to, just because they are having/have had a baby.

Have you spoken to your gp about pain relief? I had a phone consultation with mine, and he left a prescription at reception that dp picked up for me.

Gooseysgirl · 05/10/2012 23:15

OP am so annoyed to hear you weren't given co-codamol.. I was given them, diclofenac and 5 days worth of injections. Also took high strength arnica (200c tablets, ordered online) and community midwives commented on how well my scar healed. I've come to the conclusion that CS recovery is different for everyone. My initial recovery was good but longer term it was a long time before I felt like me again physically and even now 7 months later I still experience some numbness around the scar. Co-codamol did not affect breast feeding for me? Congrats on the arrival of your baby Smile

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wheresmespecs · 06/10/2012 10:12

Pain relief after CS seems to be a bloody lottery and it makes me furious.

I think women having planned CS's should have pre-op discussions about what kind of pain relief they are having and how often. At least you would get a chance to discuss this (and argue if need be) BEFORE you were in pain.

I had co-codamol and diclofenac, with no mention of problems bf-ing, and I experienced none. (fgs, you get women having VBs being given PETHIDINE, which has a direct effect on a baby's alertness and can affect bf-ing. If you can give a woman having a VB pethidine, why not a CS mother co-codamol??)

My pain relief post CS was totally fine as long as I was getting the 2 painkillers on time. Unfortunately 24 hours after my op, midwives refused to give me a dose of the diclofenac or co-codamol I was due. To this day, I don't know exactly why - initially they said I had already had it on the recovery ward - I hadn't, it wasn't in my notes and I got them to ring up and check with the MWs up there.

Having established that I was right, and I WAS due a dose, they then said they didn't want to give it to me because 'sometimes painkillers can mask symptoms of something going wrong". WTF. They gave me 2 paracetamol and when I said that wasn't enough, a MW sneered 'well CSections do hurt, you know.'

The 2 MWs had real attitude towards me because my Cs was recorded as maternal request on my notes. Despite their being a letter in my notes from a perinatal psychiatrist about why I was having the CS (extreme tokophobia) they just rolled their eyes at each other and pulled faces. When they were right in front of me.

Several hours later I was in considerable pain. They had refused my partner's requests for more painkillers several times, and so eventually I got out of bed and walked with extreme difficulty and in intense pain the few metres to the MWs desk. There were three of them there - it was quiet, early hours of the morning and they were discussing another colleague's holiday.

I broke down and begged them for painkillers. I was shivering with pain. One of them got me some Tramadol. Tramadol! if they'd given me the painkillers I was SUPPOSED to have, I would not have needed something that heavy duty, which I was worried would be bad for Bf-ing.

I told my (great) community MW about this when I was out of hospital. She was quite upset, and looked into it for me. She told me that they said they hadn't been given the right info by the recovery ward, but i knew that we had cleared that up quite quickly, and told her. She said that some of the MWs were hostile to women to had planned CS,s and this was a problem they needed to sort out. Well, yeah.

If I have another baby, it will be a CS, and I will have some serious conversations about painkillers and care beforehand.

I had excellent ante-natal and post natal care, thanks mainly to a wonderful community mw and consultant MW. But the feeling of having to rely on 2 hostile MWs, who were my only means to painkillers, being in pain and feeling so helpless and panicky is not one I can repeat. It makes me angry and sick to think about it. They were like bullying girls in a playground - these women had no place in a caring profession. (btw, the hospital in question had had a lot of trouble with the maternity unit, and a 'bullying culture' was found to be one of the problems. I assumed this mean bullying between staff, but perhaps not).

Op I am very glad you have your baby - congratulations and I'm sorry you are not offered co-codamol. The idea that co-codamol might affect breastfeeding but being in constant pain won't is fucking lunacy.

elizaregina · 06/10/2012 15:01

Anglico

congratulations, altough you seem to be uspet about the pain! You poor poor thing, such simple things - they dont have a huge raft of things to think about and pain relief should be the first bloody thing they think about!

I was discussing pain relief today at my c section class - as I am worried co codamol wont be enough.

Wheresmyspecs
re tamadol

its unclear to me whether they are reluctant to give out tramadol because its heavy duty or because its so addictive if you take too many.

I was dicussing tramdol with doc recently as I am in third tri and was crippled by pain, i took regular co dyromol then co codamol, nothing was easing the pain, in the end - i said - in the past ONE tramadol has eased the pain - is one tramadol better than days of other stuff and he said yes - and actually prescribed me some - and said - i could even take 2 at a time - 3 times a day!???????

he said one or two would not harm the baby.