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Is that the 'real' America?

85 replies

Hattie05 · 18/02/2006 22:11

Just watched maternity ward on discovery health.

It was set in an American hospital, and every single woman was strapped down, encouraged to have epidurals, and the slightest worry were sent to theatre for c-section.

Is this a true representation for America's maternity care? Any American mumsnetters here to answer?

I was really surprised, thought American's would be hot on natural births.

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expatinscotland · 20/02/2006 17:05

i also didn't realise i was in labour until it was too late for pain relief !

i waited to go in b/c i thought they'd just send me home.

so when i got there, i could no longer stand up straight for the pain. b/c i was 9cm dilated !

NotQuiteCockney · 20/02/2006 17:08

I had an independent midwife here in the UK, and found that a) she noticed DS1 was breech, although we did have scans to confirm and b) she was very very anti medical induction. I think she talks all of her clients out of it. When I was trying for a VBAC with DS2, she suggested that if I didn't pop in time, I should just have another CS, not an induction.

I don't think the intervention vs natural thing is as clearcut as people make it sound.

And yes, as others have said, the US is a very big place. And I find it more polarised than the UK. After all, the unassisted births nutters are American, aren't they?

uwila · 20/02/2006 17:10

Yikes. Well, mine don't really like to even go into labour. But at 42 weeks, it was time to intiate eviction proceedings. Then, with DS, I decided I wasn't doing any of that routine again and demanded an elective at 38 1/2 weeks. I suppose if I had more faith in the NHS, then a vaginal delivery might be something I'd consider. But, current, have a section is about the only way to guarantee the attention of at least one obstetrician.

uwila · 20/02/2006 17:13

Oh, NQC, I think your midwife is quite right. I'd never allow a induction after caesarean.

NotQuiteCockney · 20/02/2006 17:15

I think she always discouraged people from inductions, period.

DS2's head never engaged, anyway, even after my waters broke, naturally, so I doubt induction would have helped. That was after weeks of prelabour, which didn't even make my cervix efface.

Gisou · 20/02/2006 17:32

The US has lots of issues to still work through for waterbirth. The UK is way ahead of them when it comes to midwives, homebirth and waterbirth. The US likes to be very complicated. It drives all midwives crazy.

US obstetric doctors are terribly up tight and the legal system is used to sue doctors for every possible reason. They have years to go before even come close to the UK or some other European countries. In fact at present, the Association of Pediatrics is once again freaking out about waterbirth and a lot of bad articles are coming out.

CarolinaMoon · 20/02/2006 17:34

I remember seeing a US prog on Discovery Health where the OB picked up the newborn seconds after birth, grabbed the baby's arm and "waved" it at the mother, shouting "hi mom!" . What a tosser.

The level of intervention (and the number of epidurals!) is really noticeable on the TV progs. I guess when most people are paying for each drug they're given and each procedure carried out, there isn't much chance of doctors encouraging a "natural" birth.

jabberwocky · 20/02/2006 17:39

I am totally with uwila on this one. The midwife group I went to is considered to be tops in training with years of experience and they still made lots of mistakes that an OB never would have made. I am convinced that ds would have either died or had lasting problems relating from the birth had I not insisted for another opinion by an OB.

And, for all of the great UK birth stories I have read on here, there is more than a fair share of horror stories as well. Bubble and aloha come to mind immediately. Maybe I'm getting the wrong impression, but it seems that a lot of UK decisions regarding vaginal vs. c-section births are based on the cost, something that would never occur here.

CarolinaMoon · 20/02/2006 17:52

Jabberwocky, IIRC both those cases were due to understaffing and women being left alone without suitably trained staff, or any staff at all. This is a major problem in the NHS, where resources are spread ever more thinly.

Having said that, I know a woman in RL who was left with a cervical tear because the doctor (at a major teaching hospital) chose to use high forceps when her baby's head wasn't descending rather than carry out a cs. She thinks it was because of the pressure on NHS hospitals to keep their cs rate low.

uwila · 20/02/2006 17:55

Oh, and the idea of a water birth horrifies me. And I mean horrifies. I appreciate that other think they are wonderful. And I think it's great if that's what the mum wants. But,I also think it's perfectly reasonable that some of us want medicalised births.

jabberwocky · 20/02/2006 17:56

Yes, carolinamoon, I think lot of my problems were due to the fact that I delivered at a teaching hospital.

expatinscotland · 20/02/2006 17:57

i would have loved a waterbirth. but i got there a little late for one.

uwila · 20/02/2006 17:59

Now that's interesting, Jabberwocky. I had my first child in Epsom (3am crash section) and my lovely peacful planned section at Queen Charlotte, whcih is a teaching hospital. And the medical care in theatre and post op atQC was great. (except when the midwives started overriding doctor's instruction -- but that's another story). I think I got better care because I had two surgeons, two anaesthetists, and so on.

jabberwocky · 20/02/2006 18:04

My feeling was 1)being a teaching hospital they were willing to take more risks i.e. allowing me to labor longer after rupture of membranes than would be standard in a private hospital and 2) I was at higher risk of complications because of delivering in August (new residents come on board in July)

Because of the second issue, once it was determined I needed an emergency c-section I demanded only board certified physicians and did not allow any residents to touch me!

jabberwocky · 20/02/2006 18:11

Oh, and it was at Vanderbilt here in Nashville. Since you're from the US, uwila, you may know of it.

jellyjelly · 22/02/2006 09:01

are you not allowed or should not have an inducion after a section??

uwila · 22/02/2006 09:50

Jellyjelly, some doctors will allow it, other will not. There is an increased risk of scar rupture because induced contractions are stronger than natural ones. I for one would not be prepared to take the risk.

jellyjelly · 22/02/2006 11:12

I will bear that in mind when we try for another shortly. Thanks for sharing it.

Marls001 · 22/02/2006 20:13

We just moved from Houston, Texas (4th largest city in US) to Bentonville, Arkansas (pop 20,000). My 2 1/2 year old was born at St. Luke's Hospital in the Texas Medical Center, a cutting-edge facility to which patients travel from all over the world for various procedures. I had an incredible birthing experience there - I did not want or get an epidural and my female doctor was wonderful in being present and doing everything that a midwife normally does. I labored for 48 hours and a C-section was not in her plan.

I think in a large city like Houston, you can easily find whatever kind of birthing experience you might want, and hospitals like St. Luke's are not "maternity ward" experiences. All manner of support options are available. In a small town like this, however, my insurance has greatly limited my options - the midwife in this area, for example, isn't covered; all female OB/GYNs who are covered by my insurance are on "rotating call", which means I would be seeing one of them throughout the entire pregnancy and then probably finding one of their male colleagues in my hospital room at the hour of need; Of course, their practice encouraged me to see all 8 of their doctors - 6 of whom were men - and I said "no thanks." Even here though, I got in touch with a doula who recommended my current doctor, who doesn't do "rotating call." Unfortunately he's a man, and this made me nervous at first as I've never before this had to have a male OB. However, he has an excellent bedside manner - gentle and professional. I have the option to hire a doula for the hospital - but since I've been through all of this before, having my dh with me should be enough.

If I am able to find a doula for support here, there should be one almost anywhere in the US. If anyone is worried about having the "Maternity Ward" experience, they should definitely enlist the help of a doula - if only for peace of mind.

There are only two things about the US birthing experience that have bothered me - one is the practice of waiting until a woman is in her 11th week to schedule a visit for her with an OB. As if the foetus isn't even real; as if the systems weren't all forming! A little guidance, please ... they might do it that way b/c 1/5 of the pregnancies end in miscarriage before that stage; I don't know. But very frustrating while you're waiting for your "ghost" pregnancy to become "real"! Is this done in the UK??

Also, this business of rotating call is new to me - wasn't done in Houston, but is apparently common in other areas. Very emptionally difficult, I would imagine, to see one doctor the whole time and not know if they'll be delivering - or to have to get to know all of the doctors in a practice so you'll know the face who walks in the hospital door.

But even here in Bentonville I don't anticipate anything near the type of experience you saw on T.V. (And what are you doing watching those scare tactic shows while pregnant anyway? I have to say, before having my first, they only made me more and more nervous, and for nothing as it turns out!)

expatinscotland · 22/02/2006 20:20

Hey, far out! I was born at Hermann Hospital in Houston!

Rotating call is common here. You're delivered by whatever midwife is on shift unless you've hired an indpendent one.

And we're not seen for 'booking in' appointment generally till 11+ weeks.

Pruni · 22/02/2006 20:22

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uwila · 23/02/2006 08:34

My booking appointment with my first child (in Winchester) was around 12 weeks, and at Queen Charlotte with DS it was at 16 weeks. I'm actually surprised to hear this about the states. I thought they were more attentive to early pregnancy.

CarolinaMoon · 23/02/2006 11:32

I didn't have a booking in appt till week 15 (mainly because I was on holiday before that), but I'd had a dating scan at 11 weeks, booked through the gynaecologist I was seeing for ttc.

I think it's quite common in the UK for people to book in with a MW shortly after finding they are pg, if they want to.

"rotating call" is inevitable in the NHS atm - hence the one mother one midwife campaign.

uwila · 23/02/2006 12:01

I don't think the NHS is in the habit of giving a pregnant woman so much as the time of day before she is 12 weeks pregnant. (unless specific test have been requested or the pregnancy is high risk for something)

jabberwocky · 23/02/2006 16:46

I think here it really depends on the clinic. When I went to the midwife clinic I was told to come in at 10 - 12 weeks, even though I told them I was 37 and interested in genetic testing. So, by the time they saw me they said it was too late to schedule me for CVS and we did amnio instead.

My new doctor schedules pt.'s at 8 weeks.