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Mental health team at school refusing to see my child

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lollipoprainbow · 20/01/2023 08:04

So fed up today, The single point point of access team referred my daughter to the mental health team at her school and the team have rejected seeing her because of her ASD. My daughter is struggling on a daily basis with being very low, terrible self esteem etc. Why can’t we get help ?!

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Spendonsend · 20/01/2023 08:18

Thats really crap for your daughter. Its really hard to access mental health services for people with ASD. They often get barred.

What sort of mental health support does the school team offer? IS it the type she needs?

lollipoprainbow · 20/01/2023 08:22

@Spendonsend it's so wrong isn't it. CBt was mentioned, looks like I'll have to go private which I can ill afford.

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Spendonsend · 20/01/2023 08:26

If you think cbt is appropriate and the school offer it, id be tempted to respond that this is against the disability discrimination act and you will be taking it further and ask if any other disabilities are barred from treatment? It might make them reconsider..

lollipoprainbow · 20/01/2023 08:39

@Spendonsend I'm prepared to kick up a big fuss that's for sure !

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Nimbostratus100 · 20/01/2023 08:41

what sort of mental health team is at school?

lollipoprainbow · 20/01/2023 08:42

@Nimbostratus100 not sure I know there's an educational psychologist. I wasn't even aware they had a mental health team in her school until she was referred for it by single point of access team.

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cleanitup · 20/01/2023 08:46

My daughter is struggling on a daily basis with being very low, terrible self esteem etc. Why can’t we get help ?!

Go to your GP

Nimbostratus100 · 20/01/2023 08:47

I would suspect that its a few teacher done a few hours extra training, and are not qualified to help your child.

lollipoprainbow · 20/01/2023 08:47

@cleanitup I have they didn't help

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LolaSmiles · 20/01/2023 08:50

It depends on what else is going on.

GPs can't refer on because the threshold for referral in many places is unreasonably high, CAMHS is at breaking point, schools are diverting education budgets to a huge range of pastoral and mental health support, but the demand is higher than availability.

You could try self-referring into your local area's counselling/talking therapy service if they'll take under 18s, but that is patchy.

You might find you get more support if there's a local mental health charity, or a local charity for young people with ASD as they will often have counsellors who work with the children and families.

HairinaBeaHive · 20/01/2023 08:51

OP - please don't take this the wrong way but if The System is letting your child down, rather than expend energy "kicking up a fuss" and possibly getting nowhere ...

Why not look at the vast resources online and see what the "experts" would do with your child and put it into practice yourself?

LolaSmiles · 20/01/2023 08:52

I also want to add that many mental health teams in schools are not necessarily qualified mental health professionals.
Many I know are teachers or support staff who have done additional mental health training, of varying levels, learning mentors, pastoral mentors, sometimes visiting youth workers who have a mental health focus, and then a visiting EdPsyc who comes for a few hours a month to work through assessments.

My experience is that they're useful for supporting low level mental health ups and downs with lower risk children, but they don't have the professional training or experience to respond to more complex situations.

dovelove · 20/01/2023 08:53

Kick up a fuss. My dd was refused mental health help from her then school as she is ASD. My gp was much more helpful and put in a camhs referral. Then camhs said they wouldn't be offering support due to her autism diagnosis!. I was told to take up courses on dealing with children with autism. I refused to take no for an answer. Literally how can they refuse mental health support to any child with any diagnosis. I was appalled. She was finally seen and she responded very well to complex CBT.
Best of luck

Mardyface · 20/01/2023 08:54

HairinaBeaHive · 20/01/2023 08:51

OP - please don't take this the wrong way but if The System is letting your child down, rather than expend energy "kicking up a fuss" and possibly getting nowhere ...

Why not look at the vast resources online and see what the "experts" would do with your child and put it into practice yourself?

Terrible advice. You simply cannot be everything to someone else and you should not try. If you were to learn the diverse skills needed to support someone with SN you could be looking at retraining in ten new professions. You would not be able to work in order to feed yourself and your child. You would not be providing the best care (because esp with mental health issues anyone's child probably wants to discuss their parent - YOU) and what the fuck would they do if you died? Additionally you would have no life at all yourself, which you are actually allowed.

lollipoprainbow · 20/01/2023 08:54

@HairinaBeaHive I don't have the time I'm a single working mum and you've no idea what I'm dealing with apart from my dd! We're about to be made homeless on top of everything else. Why shouldn't my dd get the help she needs???

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lollipoprainbow · 20/01/2023 08:55

@dovelove thanks for your support !! I will

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WandaWonder · 20/01/2023 08:56

lollipoprainbow · 20/01/2023 08:54

@HairinaBeaHive I don't have the time I'm a single working mum and you've no idea what I'm dealing with apart from my dd! We're about to be made homeless on top of everything else. Why shouldn't my dd get the help she needs???

The school cannot do it all, go to your gp first for proper referral.

Kicking up a fuss will not help your child

Nimbostratus100 · 20/01/2023 08:57

schools are diverting education budgets to a huge range of pastoral and mental health support, but the demand is higher than availability.

er, no, this is not what is happening, schools are not equipped to provide mental health support at all, schools are putting a few teachers through a few hours on what to do to hold it together for a child in crisis for a few hours or days, before mental health services take over, and these are very specific, for children who already have a diagnosis, such as anorexia, OCD, psychosis, etc literally, I have done this training, and it is less than an hour on each condition, and I left the course, as I could forsee being expected to take long term responsibility for situations that require medical intervention, purely on the basis that I once looked at a power point breifly.

SauSest · 20/01/2023 08:57

My experience is that they're useful for supporting low level mental health ups and downs with lower risk children, but they don't have the professional training or experience to respond to more complex situations.

This is my experience too. Can help with short term intervention for children struggling with particular issues but nothing complex.
They may feel they don't have to skills of training and they absolutely should not take someone on if they're not qualified to deal with the issues. They could end up doing more harm than good

Spendonsend · 20/01/2023 09:00

I was going to add that if the school team is a TA or teacher who has done a very short course, it might not be appropriate anyway. Its just because you said cbt I assumed it would be a trained professional.

Our cahms do Youth centre that is run by a mental health nurse that you can just drop on, play pool abd get signpposted to the right support. They will liase with cahms and school too.

dovelove · 20/01/2023 09:02

Oh I wanted to add that I searched for help everywhere but I'm no expert and so I sought some advice through an autism charity. Autism West Midlands in my case. They were fantastic. They were working with barnados at the time (not sure if they still are). They funded some online therapy (it was Covid times) until my dd got her cbt.

My niece is currently being seen face to face by a therapist again funded by barnados too and finding it very helpful

Choconut · 20/01/2023 09:02

I would start by asking why having ASD precludes her from getting help/CBT. The research on whether CBT is helpful for those with ASD seems to be a bit mixed but I would want to know exactly why from them. The mixed research means there is research coming in on both sides so if they say it doesn't work for people with ASD then you can probably find evidence that it does from a quick google and challenge them.

Don't try and handle this on your own, of course you're not equipped to give her all the emotional support she needs, people train for years and have to get a lot of experience to be qualified to do that. The problem is if she's not causing a big problem at school then she's likely to be over looked in favour of those that are.

Go back to school and ask why. Go back to the gp and say she needs help before it escalates and things get much worse and much harder to treat and keep fighting for her. Unfortunately in these sorts of things you often do have to make a fuss to get heard, I've seen it in the schools I've worked in.

LolaSmiles · 20/01/2023 09:06

er, no, this is not what is happening, schools are not equipped to provide mental health support at all, schools are putting a few teachers through a few hours on what to do to hold it together for a child in crisis for a few hours or days, before mental health services take over, and these are very specific, for children who already have a diagnosis, such as anorexia, OCD, psychosis, etc literally, I have done this training, and it is less than an hour on each condition, and I left the course, as I could forsee being expected to take long term responsibility for situations that require medical intervention, purely on the basis that I once looked at a power point breifly.
It really is what is happening.
I don't agree with it at all.

The threshold to get to see CAMHS and specialists is ridiculous and the wait times are appalling. Families can be calling out for help and support for months, and nobody sees their child.

So what ends up happening is that children who need proper support get sent to learning mentors/TAs and teachers with a bit of extra cpd/a member of staff who has done a post-grad diploma or certificate level training in low level young people's mental health, and then all the work that could have been done by professional specialists doesn't get done, and some of these young people end up in crisis and then, finally, CAMHS takes notice.

I'm not claiming schools manage complex OCD/eating disorders etc long term, but the reality is that schools are picking up the pieces of a truly ruined mental health provision for children and young people. Children are missing out on the support they need because parents end up battling a system that keeps telling them to go away and come back when there's a bigger issue.

LolaSmiles · 20/01/2023 09:10

This is my experience too. Can help with short term intervention for children struggling with particular issues but nothing complex.
They may feel they don't have to skills of training and they absolutely should not take someone on if they're not qualified to deal with the issues. They could end up doing more harm than good
Totally agree with this.
They're useful teams for supporting exam nerves but not complex anxiety that needs professional and specialist support.
They're good for promoting positive self care strategies, or giving young people someone to talk to as a preventative measure, but they're not a substitute for professional mental health counseling or therapy for those young people who really need it.

They aren't and shouldn't be somewhere to put children and families in a holding pattern for months because the services children and families need are so stretched to breaking point.

lollipoprainbow · 20/01/2023 12:18

@WandaWonder I've been to the gp as I said and didn't get anywhere. I beg to differ re kicking up a fuss.

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