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Child with Autism, ADHD and PDA

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Ironfingers42 · 18/04/2022 15:36

Hello.

Dad here and getting desparate.

Im will try to be brief but I need some sort of support. What that is, I dont really know.

I am married with 2 girls aged 9 and 10.

The 9 year old was diagnosed with Autism and ADHD about 2 years ago. All professionals involved beleive she also suffers from Pathological Demand Avoidance but our local authority don't diagnose it.
Her behaviour is degenerating significantly and she has been out of full time school for nearly three years. My wife and i are locked in a battle with Derbyshire County Council to get an EHCP signed off. This has been going on for 2 years and still isn't finalised.

She is aggressive, violent and unpredictable. My wife and I are generally covered in bruises, nail marks and teeth marks. We have had to remove knives from her and stop her jumping out of a bedroom window. She ties things tight around her neck and tells us she wants to die multiple times everyday.
She attacks her older sister "M" relentlessly. We have had to put a lock on M's door just to keep her safe. M is registered as a young carer and does receive pastoral support from school and Young Carers but is clearly depressed and needs further help.
She has a good group of friends and generally tries to spend as much time out of the house as possible.
But then "D" (the autistic one) gets very jealous and upset. She doesn't really have any friends (which breaks my heart) as she isn't at school and struggles with relationships with her peers.

D is on a new medication. We tried Ritalin but, whilst it kept her slightly calmer, she was taking 3 hours to go to sleep each night. And for those three hours one of us had to sit with her or she would freak out. These new meds are new and we have been warned to dig in for a difficult few weeks but i am starting to lose hope.

Life at home is unmanageble. I cannot remember the last time my wife and I slept in the same bed as D won't settle unless she is in out bed. Our personal, sexual and day to day relationship is non-existant as we have to parent in shifts. We both have shift working jobs and I work very long hours, usually at least 12 hour days. We are not in a position to reduce hours. There is no family time now as D is too aggressive so one has to spend time with D whilst the other spends time with M.

We have no support where we live. My mum and dad are elderly and live 200 miles away and my MIL is 90 minutes away but doesn't drive. She blames us for D's behaviour anyway and says we are too soft on her (which we have never been!) and we have always played second fiddle to her much more glamourous and successful younger daughter (wife's sister) so we get judged rather than helped.

I have tried so long and so hard to get help. I have tried all the techniques in books about autism and they simply don't work. Last time I spoke to an autsim support worker she said "WHEN YOU HAVE A CHILD WITH PATHOLOGICAL DEMAND AVOIDANCE YOU MAY AS WELL THROW ALL THE HELP BOOKS OUT OF THE WINDOW! and it is true.

No one really seems to know what we are going through apart from other parents whom have children with PDA.

I am a police officer and I can rememeber the first time I came across a youth with PDA. I honestly thought "what a load of bollocks. You are just badly behaved" and it took having my own child suffer with it for me to really "get it" and finally understand (I am ashamed to say!).

Life is a struggle and, as a family we are falling apart. I love my wife and kids without question but I am losing hope.

I am utterly exhausted and, whilst there may be the chance of a school place in the coming weeks, I have been let down so many times before, so just cannot really see the light at the end of the tunnel.

People tell me to be positive but I can't see how I can be positive.

I transferred to a northern police force from a southern force 5 years ago and a few weeks ago I told my wife I was going to contact my old force and see if they would take me back and i was walking away from it all. When I said that I meant it. It wasn't in the heat of the moment, but I managed to have a word with myself and talk myself round.

I have urged my wife to sign a section 20 to put D into foster care but she (rightfully) won't entertain it.

I am just falling apart.

Each day when I get up its a case of drawing a deep breath and thinking "he we go again" and gritting my teeth. I used to have hopes and dreams both for me and the family but now my only goal each day is to get to bed time.

I feel utterly exhausted, defeated and a failure as a parent.

Any help or words of encouragement would be appreciated.

Please don't be too harsh. I am clinging on to the edge (sorry if that sounds pathetic).

Ironfingers 42.

OP posts:
Justrealised · 18/04/2022 18:17

@AReallyUsefulEngine Wine (I couldn't find a thumbs up emoji)

LosingTheWill2022 · 05/05/2022 20:01

This popped ip today and I thought of your thread @Ironfingers42

www.facebook.com/100066516040555/posts/340607261499806/

I'll pm you too but in case anyone else who has read the thread might be interested I've posted here.
I hope things are 'ok' for you all.

LosingTheWill2022 · 05/05/2022 20:03

This is the event I've linked above

Child with Autism, ADHD and PDA
FrecklesMalone · 05/05/2022 20:10

I'm just marking as had lots of useful info on this thread. I hope things are improving for you ironfingers

Shakeitshakeitbaby · 05/05/2022 20:10

Reccomend looking up Newbold Hope on Facebook and joining their family support page and the main page of you haven't already. She does some wonderful webinars at very low cost and the community in the support page is fantastic.

wonkygorgeous · 05/05/2022 20:29

@Ironfingers42

You poor things. I've walked this path and it's utterly draining and devastating.

I hope you can get to tribunal soon and get her ehcp sorted out.

My advice to you would be to find a psychologist, preferably an educational psychologist but it's not always possible, that is experienced with PDA autism.

You have much more chance in securing what is needed at tribunal if her needs have been assessed and identified by a professional.

In our case we had CAMHS advocating for us. We secured EOTAS and very gradually, over 5 years we have gradually reintroduced education.

Long slow process, but when the provision is right for the child the change in them is palpable.

All the behaviours stem from extreme anxiety as I'm sure you know.

The other thing I found helped was Trauma informed parenting. Nothing else worked. It's a quiet affirmation of the child's feelings. It goes against all 'normal' parenting techniques. But with extreme anxiety it works.

Hold firm, it will come together. Once her EHCP is finalised you'll have support until she's 25.

Just a word of caution, get her reassessed early for transition years. Start asking for reassessment at 15 for post 16.

Wishing you all the best in your journey. She's lucky to have you all.

Ironfingers42 · 08/05/2022 19:46

Hi all.

Just a quick update. Thanks for all the support.
We now have a school place but no start date in a specialist school that i had given up hope on.

Its costing the tax payer £101000 per year but i don't care. I've always paid in so i don't feel guilty. She needs it but we have been warned that she might not be full time due at least a year.

She is still sleeping in our bed and is going through a phase where are kids off every night.

I really struggle to cope when she is hurting her sister and her mum abd breaking things in the house.

We are both still knackered but we struggle on.

They are slowly increasing her meds abd we will see how that goes.

The older daughter is registered as a young carer abd the ehcp is close to being signed off now.

I tried to Join Newbould Hope facebook group but they said i didn't meet their criteria which is odd as they accepted my wife.

Just a quick update.

Thanks again.

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LosingTheWill2022 · 08/05/2022 20:28

Thanks for the update @Ironfingers42
I'm glad to hear things are moving forward. It is so hard to cope when life feels overwhelming and the path ahead doesn't feel clear.
I'm actually reassured that school are thinking in such small steps. Hard for you as a family but it is vital for you all that your dd is able to cope.
Wishing you all well.

BabycakesMatlala · 08/05/2022 21:16

Just to send you huge sympathy and solidarity, @Ironfingers42 - we have dealt with a less severe version of this for a long time, due to our DD's developmental trauma.

I would echo @wonkygorgeous's suggestion of therapeutic parenting. It has made an amazing difference for us. We've also had considerable success using some of the bodywork strategies to calm the fight or flight response (though to get them to use this can also be seen as a demand to start with, so takes a little finessing!). Pm me if more info would be of any help...

Wishing you and your family some small patches of calm in all this - it is such a hard path to have to tread.

AReallyUsefulEngine · 08/05/2022 21:20

we have been warned that she might not be full time due at least a year.

If DD isn’t attending school full time the LA need to provide alternative provision the rest of the time. If you want DD to attend school full time you can force the matter.

hiredandsqueak · 08/05/2022 21:32

Hello @Ironfingers42 fellow Derbyshire parent here. DCC are an absolute shambles and show deliberate disregard for the law. So glad you have finally got a school named. My dd attends an out of County independent specialist school well regarded for PDA so wonder if she is going there? If you are on Facebook and need to offload Derbyshire Autism Support Group is always worth a look.

hiredandsqueak · 08/05/2022 21:38

If you are looking for Alternative Provision to fill in whilst dd makes the transition I know two or three children with PDA who attend here DCC fund their attendance so should cut down on the hoops DCC will inevitably put in the way.

wonkygorgeous · 09/05/2022 08:19

hiredandsqueak · 08/05/2022 21:38

If you are looking for Alternative Provision to fill in whilst dd makes the transition I know two or three children with PDA who attend here DCC fund their attendance so should cut down on the hoops DCC will inevitably put in the way.

This is almost identical to our provision that has really worked. It's quite amazing the change in the child that a suitable provision can make.

Ilovechoc12 · 10/05/2022 09:44

im sorry you are in the situation - we are in a similar one with my pda boy.

have you tried intuniv meds - that’s been quite a game changer for us.

plus Missing The Mark
A podcast about how the school system is failing autistic children - Eliza Fricker - I love listening to her. She has an amazing book on Amazon too - the family experience of pda

hope your daughter likes the school 🤞

onwards and upwards and every day is a new day - that’s all that keeps me going …..

LosingTheWill2022 · 14/05/2022 14:00

For anyone on here that might be interested. There is free access tomorrow (PDA awareness day) to the 2022 PDA Space summit seminars. Loads of good stuff on there
www.facebook.com/groups/thepdaspace/permalink/2221692157997022/

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