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is it too early for a forward facing seat?

95 replies

Shelsy · 02/04/2012 12:18

Hi all, Im new on here but really need a bit of advice! My dd just turned 7 mths yesterday and is extremely long for her age! She is still in a rf seat but her feet hang over the edge! She looks quite uncomfortable when she is in the car as she has to rest her feet up against the back seat.

I know you are not supposed to put children in ff seats until at least 9 mths or until they can sit up for 30 mins alone. My dd can sit up for approx 10 - 15 mins unattended. I bought a ff seat which is from 9 mths - 4 yrs some time ago but is it too early to start using?

Really grateful for all comments xx

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Fraktal · 03/04/2012 12:05

Britax do an ERF so maybe the retailer will stock them now Wink

Debs75 · 03/04/2012 12:07

Is the Milton Keynes centre a one off or are they other centres around the country?

silverfrog · 03/04/2012 12:18

a one-off in England as far as I know. there is one in Belfast too.

independent retailers tend to be better at fitting (and stocking!) a good range of seats, rather than Halfords or Mothercare (neither of whom have ever managed to give me correct information...)

marzipananimal · 03/04/2012 12:29

There's an independent baby shop in York where I bought an ERF (BeSafe iZi combi) but I don't think they have a very big range of rf

brachy · 03/04/2012 16:54

My DS is 2.5yrs and 30lbs, he is rear facing in Britax Two Way Elite. The seat has been installed rear facing in Zafira, Freelander, Golf, Polo, Ka, Focus...a range of sizes of car.

It takes the same amount of time to install it as a regular FF seat...all these seats need a bit of practice to begin with but then it becomes very simple. At 6 years old, my DD could still sit rear facing in the seat. She is still harnessed in the Two Way Elite, but forward facing...she's now 7. It's a very versatile seat and will last you ages.

I bought mine on line from a retailer already mentioned here, it arrived the next day.

Please consider rear facing, there are many reasons as to why it is FIVE times safer than forward facing.

nocake · 03/04/2012 21:21

We bought ours from Anns Prams in Petersfield. Their range isn't as big as the place in Milton Keynes but the service was great. It's a good job we didn't just order online because the seat we had planned to get, the Besafe Izi Kid Isofix, didn't fit in our Seat Leon... well, it did fit but we wouldn't have been able to use the front seat. Instead we bought a Britax Maxway which is much more compact.

sugarandspite · 03/04/2012 22:16

Worth noting that the Milton Keynes car seat centre gives you 14day returns on car seats, so if you buy over the phone (like we did) or online you know that if there's a problem, you can always return it.

lagoonhaze · 03/04/2012 22:33

sugarandspite Im planning on getting my TWE from them so the returns policy is interesting. Thank you.

OP. I would return seat and get a refund. You can then research more and hopefully consider ERF. You wil probably save money long term. I brought a Britax first class for my DS and then a recaro young sport as he outgrew the britax by just over 3 and ears over headrest and hes not overly tall on the charts- it then converted into a high back booster. Total of both seat £100 and £140 = £240. ERF Britax TWE is £190 and you wont need any other seat and your child is five times safer

sugarandspite · 03/04/2012 22:44

Lagoon The customer service was excellent, would highly recommend!

We had a long chat with them over the phone to decide on exactly which ERF seat and then bought on the phone (think it was cheaper than online actually) and it was delivered the next day.

Fitting it for the first time takes a little time (we were anxious to do it right!) but actually is pretty straightforward and the instructions are v good. I imagine it will be much quicker to fit once we're used to it.

lagoonhaze · 03/04/2012 22:51

Think i will call them tomorrow to have a chat. 99.9% certain it will be a TWE as we have storage boxes in one car.

TruthSweet · 04/04/2012 11:20

Lagoonhaze - you can get inserts to fill in the storage boxes. We need to get one for our VW Caddy Maxi Life as the baby will be in a baby bucket with an ISOFix base and it has a support leg.

The very helpful fitter at MK In Car told us we needed it after we had it in the car when we got DD3's new Hi-Way (they needed to go next to each other so took the baby's seat along just to be sure they fitted!).

Apparently you just need to go to a main dealership and order one for your make/model of car. Another thing to do in prep for baby arriving Grin

lagoonhaze · 05/04/2012 17:05

Hi unfortunately only VW and Ford do the foam spacers - will email Renault though to check nothing new has come on Market since last enquiry made.

TruthSweet · 05/04/2012 17:43

Ah - we have a VW so that explains why we can get spacers! Sorry!

IsLovingAndGiving · 05/04/2012 17:45

Dc3 is almost 11 months, has been sitting up since October and is walking unaided, but she is still under 9 kgs / 20 lbs, so will probably be in her graco rf seat until she is about 1 yr. The guidelines have always stated that baby should be over 20 lbs to move in to ff seat.

Debs75 · 05/04/2012 19:38

Can you not use any high density foam for the spacers. I would of thought as long as it fitted in the space and was very firm it would do

lagoonhaze · 05/04/2012 20:47

It won't have undergone the safety checks so why would you risk it?

JulyMomy · 13/04/2017 17:24

For the last 2-3 years we (in Australia) have received a lot of O/S information regarding rear facing. I personally think it is excellent that people are no longer turning at 8kgs on the dot and being excited about this milestone.

I noticed in a recent “how long did you rear face for?” thread that a lot of parents are aiming to RF until 12kgs and it seems obvious the the O/S message is getting across.

I wanted to take this opportunity to remind parents that the safe weight range of 8-12kgs is designed as a RANGE because all children do not fit in the restraints at 12kgs. In fact statistically only 5% of children are short enough at 12kgs to remain RF!

The Australian Standards has recently been updated and one of the major changes is using age and height instead of weight. At the end of the day, it is actually the height of a child that determines how protected they are in a car seat.

There will be 2 types of RF restrains:
1 – one that goes to 70cm (I assume the current 9kgs seats)
2 – one that goes to 80cm (I assume the current 12kgs seats)

It seems that seats will be clearly marked with stickers that will show if your child has outgrown the seat regardless of weight.

An example of a sticker on a capsule:
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An example of a sticker on a convertible seat.
i33.photobucket.com/albums/d84/strawbs77/capsuleRF.jpg

The problem is that many people are unaware that it is actually dangerous to use a rear facing seat to 12kgs – without regarding your child’s height.

If your child is over 70 cm and in a 9kg seat, or if they are over 80cm and in a 12kgs seat chances are they are too big for that seat and need to be turned to forward facing.

Other indicators that your child is too tall to remain RF are:

Read your instructions and check the guidelines.  Most seats do not allow you to use the top row of slots.
Your child’s shoulders must be BELOW the shoulder straps
There needs to be enough room to protect your child’s head in the event of an accident – at least 2.5 cms is needed (this is why you can’t use the top slots)
If you have a Meridian AHR typically you can only use level 1 and 2 for rear facing, however you may want to contact Britax on 1300 303 330 if you wish to use 3 or 4.
It is also important that you assess the safety of everyone using the car.  Make sure that the front passengers are not being put in danger by being too close to the dash board.

It seems that many parents are stressed and confused by the recent media information from O/S regarding RFing.

Here are some interesting comments:
www.powmri.edu.au/news-events/news/...ian-researchers

QUOTE
“Our study reviewing all spinal injury among children in NSW over a 5 year period found no serious neck injuries in forward-facing child restraints that were not being grossly misused,” says Assoc Professor Bilston.
“Children under four in Australian forward-facing restraints often survive very severe frontal crashes with no or only minor injuries, even when multiple other vehicle occupants have been killed,” she says.
“This is very strong evidence that Australian forward-facing restraints provide excellent protection to children even in very high severity crashes.”

A full copy of the 5 year research report can be found here:

www.lifetimecare.nsw.gov.au/FileHan...ts_pdf%5Bdoc%5D

I have stated many times that the reason we do not have the injuries that are seen O/S is because we have a long standing use of the top tether strap. The tether strap stops the whole seat moving forward with the child, preventing them from hitting their heads inside the car – this is what causes the injuries.

This is the US Link that is often being posted in the media:

injuryprevention.bmj.com/content/13/6/398.abstract

Henry, B., et al. "Car Safety Seats for Children: Rear Facing for Best Protection." Injury Prevention 13 (2007): 398-402

This study was looking at forward vs rearfacing seats for 0-2 year olds.

I have been told that the study did not actually show a significant difference in frontal crashes. Apparently the main difference was in side impact accidents (the US do not test for side impact and I have commented before that our seats look like they have deeper side wings).

The study also included a 'fair' amount of restraints without top tethers. The US study was taken during the years 1988–2003. This is well before the US started using Top tether straps and only 1 year after they introduced LATCH.

For further information why top tether straps work can be found at this site: bestcarseathub.com/

My goal today in presenting this information is not to dispute O/s research finding as such – but to make it clear to Australian parents using Australian seats that Height is more important than weight when determining if your child can remain rear facing. I am afraid the the O/S media pressure has lead parents to focus too much on leaving RF until 12kgs, and I have seen examples of this both here on EB and in real life.

I also want to make it clear that there is no need to feel guilty when you do turn your child because Australian research shows your child will be safe (providing you use and install your child’s restraint correctly.

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