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First family camping trip.. marred by another group.

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CrispyFB · 15/06/2014 16:04

Okay, apologies for the massive essay but I didn't want to dripfeed and at least I'm using paragraphs Grin

I haven't camped as a family or for years, but since DC4 arrived a few months ago, we've decided to start doing family camping as we love the outdoors and enjoyed camping in the past as a couple and before we met.

We picked a campsite that promised privacy and seclusion and indeed the owner's replies to reviews on websites talked about how he separates families with children away from all adult groups etc. It was not the cheapest campsite ever (far, far from it) but we were happy to pay the premium for the privacy as we weren't sure how well things would go putting up a massive new tent for the first time and wanted space to screw up in peace!! And for the DC, who might be nervous as it's their first time, to not be disturbed by rowdy adults right next to us and to have space to play near us. The owner himself told us he only allows 30 tents on the fields when in theory he could fit 300 because he wants people to feel they have space.

We picked a nice clearly defined "nook" some distance from the only other two tents in the "families with small children" field as the owner described it to us. There were two other fields, one for "teenagers" and one for "adults only" groups which sounded so sensible and fair. He continued to extol the benefits of lots of space and pointed out that the only reason the other two tents were relatively close together was because they were a group. Perfect!

Set up the tent, spent the night, went out for the day and returned about 7.30ish. Only to discover that there was a massive tent pitched about 5 metres from ours. So close that we would not have been able to pitch our awning without the guyropes getting intermingled. No other tents for huge distances and masses of other nooks available, including one a few metres behind them (so parallel to ours) where they could have pitched. But no, they pitched right in front of ours, annoyingly taking up the space where our three older DC (who are aged 3, 5, 7) had been playing as the main open field bit was too far away for us to keep a decent eye on them and there was a felled tree blocking our vision too.

I stuck a very basic not to scale diagram on the next comment in case it's not very clear!

This was bad enough, but it turned out to be a group of 6-8 teenage girls. Quite why they weren't in the field the owner designated as for teenage groups I have no idea at all. And the single woman supervising them had her tent about 30m away in the distance. And then 2-3 other tents in the rest of the field, all at least 50m or more apart with dozens of free "nooks". A casual observer would have assumed the teenage girls were with us. But they refused to even make eye contact with us - whether they were shy or unfriendly, who knows.

We were prepared to give them the benefit of the doubt given they'd pitched so close to somebody else, but they're teenage girls on a camping trip. I would have been the same at their age - whooping, swearing and shouting well past 10pm at which point DH went to the woman's tent and complained. She told them to keep it down and the volume went down a bit, but at gone midnight they were still talking, not particularly quietly, and as they were literally metres away it was like they were in the tent with us. I guess it would not be considered loud for the 11pm curfew but when they're right in your face it was as disruptive as a theoretical party the other end of the field. DH complained to the woman again, getting her up and out of bed, ha. After that they talked a little quieter and finally went to sleep around 1am.

Sadly the DC slept in later than they did which ruined our plans to have the children shrieking outside their tent before they got up!

I don't even know why they picked that pitch as it can't have been for the view as we never saw them outside the tent - they could have been pitched in the middle of an industrial estate as far as they were concerned.

We complained to the owner about it the next day when we finally saw him, and he just shrugged and said "I don't understand it either, what are people like, eh?" - quite clearly not wanting to claim any responsibility even though they'd clearly been camping in the wrong field entirely according to his "rules" let alone right in our faces. They never apologised to us or offered any sort of explanation, not that we asked, but still.

Thing is, we paid above the odds in the hope we'd get some segregated-by-camper-type spacious privacy, and we didn't. We'd not have been nearly so precious if they'd pitched up in the spacious nook adjacent to ours instead of between the two nooks, or if it was a busy and crowded campsite, or we hadn't paid so much in the hope of getting a bit of space. It was just the sheer audacity of their pitch location got my blood boiling which made me a lot more sensitive to their noise and made me far less inclined to live and let live. My upset over it basically ruined our evening. Luckily the DC were oblivious aside from complaining that their "play area" had been pitched on leaving them with only a small section of grass next to a stream with steep banks to play on where we could see them as the main open field was too far away.

It was a done deal by the time we got back from going out as it was too close to dark to ask them to move and it was too late for us to try and move too, although we shouldn't have had to. They should have been advised not to pitch so close in the first place. We were given clear advice on where to pitch, why weren't they? The campsite rules also stated that a responsible adult must be in the same "unit" as any groups all under 21.. there wasn't.

The owner was really friendly and helpful otherwise so I feel bad complaining about what is basically another customer's bad manners. But on the other hand we chose this campsite and paid the premium because we were expecting space and privacy as advertised.

Two questions then!

  1. Is this sort of thing par for the course? It's really putting me off camping. Were we just incredibly unlucky or do people do this all the time? (why?!!!!!) As newbies to family camping we weren't sure enough on the etiquette of tackling them. Should we have told them to clear off and pitch somewhere else even though it was quite late when we got back? Were we right to repeatedly complain to the adult over the noise in what was designated a "children with young families" field, or should we have just put up with it?

please tell me we've just been really really unlucky

  1. Is it worth an email to the owner expressing how much this affected our stay? And to suggest he make more of an effort to check that an adult is in the same tent as large groups of children, and to more strongly encourage people not to pitch right in the face of other people's tents on a site that advertises privacy, peace and space? Or are we sounding precious?

Like I said - we wouldn't normally be this precious over somebody pitched so close, but it's the equivalent of somebody parking over the line into your bay in an otherwise nearly deserted car park where you've paid a premium for extra wide spaces! And it was our first ever camping trip as a family and supposed to be extra special which is why we picked somewhere expensive and apparently spacious.

I need to let my anger go on this which is why I'm venting here I guess Wine

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FrozenAteMyDaughter · 16/06/2014 11:19

This is what windbreaks are for, I think. Ghastly as they are, a few random ones and perhaps a tarp or other shelter or two pitched round you can prevent people getting too close.

That said, it does happen. I think I would have asked the camspite owner to get them to move but I have no idea whether that would have been successful, and I am a bit of a cow - you are obviously a lot nicer.

In my experience, Eweleaze in Dorset can be a horror for this sort of thing. Last year, we had people come and put their chairs out and sit watching members of our group take down their tents so that they could pitch on the spot as soon as it was empty. Problem was, not all of our group was leaving. Despite pointing this out, it didn't deter them and they still pitched up virtually on top of our friends (we were one of those leaving early). Really weird when it is a MASSIVE site.

Anyway, I definitely feel your pain - it would have driven me mad. We camp loads though and I would say the good experiences where you have lovely views and loads of space definitely outweigh the bad, so do keep camping!

OddFodd · 16/06/2014 11:23

Go for sites which allow campfires. Then they assign each group a firepit which automatically means people don't camp right on top of you

VivaLeBeaver · 16/06/2014 11:29

Ime I'd say a lot of camping trips have been spoilt by stuff like this. And to be honest families can be just as bad. I was on a pitch at Kelling Heath next to a dad and his two kids and the dad had he radio on all day, loudly.

I've had toddlers shrieking all hours of the night, drunk couple arguing in the small hours, etc.

I've bought a caravan now, far better sound proofing. And I joined the camping and caravan club. Their wardens don't put up with too much shit.

CharmQuark · 16/06/2014 11:35

I think you were unlucky - sorry you had such a frustrating experience.

We avoid sites which do not ban large single sex-groups or groups where the average age is below *, etc etc. Oh, and choosing sites where ampified music (including radios) is banned also helps.

I am a curmudgeonly camper Grin

CrispyFB · 16/06/2014 11:41

HeartsTrumpDiamonds - ooh crikey! Still, I wouldn't have minded that so long as they weren't pitched in my face or running through our pitch, and weren't too noisy after 11 which I'd guess they wouldn't be. I just have a thing about personal space invasion that gets my hackles up!

poocatcherchampion - oh, I agree. It's just I now have nothing else to compare it with! If I'd only ever spent one night in a hotel and I'd been looking forward to it for months and it was shit I'd feel a bit deflated. I feel a bit better about it today anyway as I've had some sleep.

Keepcalmanddrinkwine - Argh, how annoying!! So glad you were able to just lift the tent and shift it. There was no way we'd have been able to do that with ours - not only is it a huge family tent but we're not sufficiently experienced with pitching it yet so it would have been a huge and probably quite disastrous task!

Onykahonie and hillbilly - That's what we'd do next time. I mean, it seemed like a really antisocial thing to do but not being up on camping etiquette I wasn't sure. I think I will be leaving an honest review - it's a shame as the campsite was otherwise lovely.

CampingClaire - Ugh, that must have been awful! It's kind of excusable if you're new, but also not - I mean, common sense! We were new and the first thing I said to the owner was how we definitely didn't want to pitch too close to the only other tent in our field as I'm sure they wanted peace and quiet. And the performance parenting sounds excruciating, I never understand why people feel the need to do it! At least you were able to talk to her - our pitch invaders seemed to be antisocial in every sense of the word.. perhaps feeling ashamed or scared in case we turned on them!

Ah well, hopefully it'll be a better experience next time. If something like this does happen again I'll feel a lot more confident telling them to sod off and/or raising it with the owner, Thanks all!

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Hairylegs47 · 16/06/2014 11:42

Don't be put off, make sure the NEXT time you leave your camping table, chairs, kids toys etc a good way in front of your tent. Most folk steer clear when they see it if they want to avoid the normal things that happen in families with small children. Also, I've found most folk will leave your 'stuff' alone as everyone has 'stuff' too.
The owner is a fool for not enforcing his rules, just a little bad publicity could shut him down.

The best site I've ever been to is one in Snowdon. No booking, you just turn up hoping for the best. It's a huge site right on one of the lakes, everyone can have a campfire and even better, the wardens are very strict. They kicked a group off because they were too loud. No messing and were very apologetic to the rest of us for the trouble that had been caused.

Good luck for the next trip!

beccajoh · 16/06/2014 11:45

This sort of thing is the reason we rarely go camping any more. It was fine until about 3/4 years ago when suddenly yummy-parents decided that getting back to basics/nature was all the rage (with electric hook-up obviously; god forbid the iPad runs out of battery!) and seemingly utterly clueless about canvas not being sound proof.

Prior to their arrival it was quite easy to avoid noisy groups. Hopefully they'll all get bored of it. Or buy a caravan instead to contain their noise.

Hairylegs47 · 16/06/2014 11:47

Oh and after many disappointing trips, we used to avoid sites with clubhouses and pools like the plague. Nothing worse than having to experience someone else's 'party' - all day drinking, kids running around messing with the eclectic hook ups, kids having water fights in the loo blocks, music blaring out of their car, security not doing anything! Twice we had our roof rack become loose - never happened at any other kind of site or even on our drive to France, very strange.

CrispyFB · 16/06/2014 11:53

Didn't spot page 2!!

FrozenAteMyDaughter (both of mine too.. heh) - we do indeed have a windbreak. Ironically that morning we'd put it out to learn how to do it, but took it down before we went out for the day as we felt it was antisocial given there was only one other tent in the field miles away and it wasn't even windy! If we'd left it up they couldn't have pitched so close as they were pitched right on parts of where it was. It's kind of tempting to stick a windbreak up if we're going to be offsite to stop it happening again! Shouldn't have to, but..

That's interesting about Eweleaze! I'd heard a lot of nice things about it (the sea views and so on!) but if it's rife for this sort of thing, that kind of puts me off! I guess as with all things, arseholes are arseholes, whether they're camping, weaving in and out of traffic on the motorway at 80mph or being rude to waiting staff for no good reason. We just got unlucky on our first time.

OddFodd - That's a really good tip! This place did allow campfires but they were communal ones in the few designated fire pits, so not one per pitch.

VivaLeBeaver - Radios.. argh! At least they didn't have one of those. I would have exploded I think, and probably would have looked for the owner. We've joined the C&C too - I like the idea of the certified sites in particular and that there are rules.

CharmQuark - Great tips, thank you! I think we're a bit curmudgeonly too, which I guess is why I got so annoyed with this because it looked like it was going to be fine on paper! I'd have been more "oh well" about it if it had been a regular campsite that didn't offer separate fields, loads of space etc. It also banned large same sex groups but I guess because they were teenagers it didn't count, although they were supposed to have supervision by an adult in the tent and didn't. Basically they broke a load of rules, both technically and morally and the owner didn't seem to care, which does put me off the place rather.

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CharmQuark · 16/06/2014 11:56

We go to 'campfire' sites, too.

They tend generally to less crowded and cramped and as long as amplified music is banned, and 'drumming circles' are banned, and there is a quiet time (preferably starting at 10.30), and they ban hen parties, stag nights and single sex groups, you are probably as OK as you cna be.

Also - ask for campsite reccomendations here!

CharmQuark · 16/06/2014 11:58

Oh, and we never go anywhere that has EHU Grin

whojamaflip · 16/06/2014 11:59

We had this in Devon - lovely place without marked pitches - we turned up mid week and it started to get busy towards the weekend. Had a group with 6 tents try to camp pretty much on top of us as I discovered when we got back one evening. The owner used to check late evening and was great. He came over and said "oh the rest of your group has turned up then?" When I said they were nothing to do with us he made them move all the tents to the next level up the hillGrin

It is now at the top of our favourite sites list!

Sorry to hijack but any chance I could have the name of the site in Snowdon Hairylegs ?

CrispyFB · 16/06/2014 12:03

Hairylegs47 - Great tips! Yes, you're right, next time we will leave stuff out making it clear it's a family. Most sane people would want to avoid a family - they aren't to know we're pretty strict with our DC about noise and interfering with other people's stuff and being annoying. I like there being fairly strict (reasonable!!) rules - we have no issue keeping to them and if it means others do then that's perfect. That place in Snowdon sounds really lovely - where is it?

That's a real shame about the behaviour on the ones with pools and clubhouses! I really liked the idea of the French ones with the pools and waterslides - are they all like that?

beccajoh - That sounds ominous. I expect there will be even more of a surge in it now because of the stricter rules over term time holidays and families need to find cheaper ways to holiday in school holidays. That's partly why we decided to do it too but in our defence it was something we'd been talking about doing for a long time and we are very outdoorsy anyway and love the camping experience in general. It just gave us a kick up the backside to actually get round to buying the tent etc!

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CrispyFB · 16/06/2014 12:08

CharmQuark - that sort of place sounds perfect! Got any recommendations? ;-) We have no need for EHU either, although we bought one just in case but I am kind of wondering why now as we don't have a coolbox and have a "brick" to keep our phones charged for at least a week!

whojamaflip - That sounds brilliant - well, the owner at least! Wow, I wish ours had been like that. Where was it?

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whojamaflip · 16/06/2014 12:21

North Morte farm, Mortehoe nr Woolacombe

Quite a large site, no pre booking, stunning views, on site shop and the fish and chip can turns up every Saturday night!

Part of it is given over to permanent pitches so there is a playground, nature walk and dog exercise area as well as lovely clean showers and loos with unlimited hot water.

CharmQuark · 16/06/2014 12:56

I have a phone charger that plugs into a socket in the car boot.

Sites I would recommend include the 'Forgewood' family of sites, Welsummer, Nethergong Nurseries, The Secret Campsite, Hidden Spring, anything recommeded by Hillbilly or here, and look at CampsiteUK under the campfire filter.

CrispyFB · 16/06/2014 13:36

Excellent, thank you both Grin The one near Woolacombe sounds lovely! And I just looked up one of the Forgewood ones at random (The Secret Campsite) and it looks absolutely perfect - exactly the sort of thing we're looking for in a campsite.

Feeling much more optimistic now! Smile

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AugustaProdworthy · 16/06/2014 13:43

Agree with previous poster- leave a stinky review in ukcampsite and tripadvisor.
Go for a site with numbered pitches? Clippesby hall in Norfolk for example- numbered pitches and well managed.

FrozenAteMyDaughter · 16/06/2014 14:35

Don't be put off Eweleaze - it is a fabulous site particularly.when you have small children. I think people just have their favourite spots which causes tension sometimes.

For quiet, Chafford Park on Kent/Surrey borders is nice. Also Forgewood as mentioned, and I like St Ives Farm. We also liked Stubcroft farm in East Wittering although that can get busy. East Fleet Farm down that way is also nice but no facilities, at least when we went. Huge and uncrowded though.

And French sites with facilities are a different beast from English ones. In my experience, generally much quieter and civilised. Others' experiences may differ of.course.

hillbilly · 16/06/2014 15:05

Good luck tonight Hairylegs Smile

Hairylegs47 · 16/06/2014 15:51

The French sites with pools, slides etc were really good, don't be put off. It was only the UK sites where we had problems, sad isn't it?

Llyn Gwyant is the one in Wales.

Hairylegs47 · 16/06/2014 15:56

hillbilly
I was a bit Confused for a minute there how did you know I was on a promise then I remembered the Flag!!

Grin
CharmQuark · 16/06/2014 16:14

Though Forgewood can get over-run with big ebullient grups with confident children... but you can usually find a spot away from everyone, if you stick to the lower field.

Keepcalmanddrinkwine · 16/06/2014 18:21

Northe Morte Farm is lovely but can fill up quickly. We've arrived to find it full, but found somewhere nearby. Have they replaced the steps to the beach yet do you know?

beccajoh · 16/06/2014 18:32

Eweleaze is good, although quite hilly so it does sort of push people together a bit when it's busy. Camping on a hill is pretty hard work!