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Please help re DS being regularly excluded from playground games - how do I tackle it?

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LittleBella · 17/11/2008 20:26

It's been going on for at least a year. I raised the issue at parents evening, when the teacher said tht he prefers to read a book at playtime. He prefers to read a book because the other boys won't let him join in the games and I alerted her to that possibility. She seemed to acknowledge it, but it's still happening. Today he said that now that it's too cold to read in the playground and he's not allowed to go inside, he wishes he could join in. He's 9, year 5.

My feeling is that they are not pro-actively supervising playground stuff and this is not because they have a philosophy of letting the kids get on with it, it's because they haven't really thought about it. DS has been told that as it's their own ball, they're allowed to choose who to play with it. My feeling is that if children are bringing in toys and using them to bully other children (and excluding them from games falls into that category) then they shouldn't be allowed to bring them in.

So. How do I approach this to get the result I want? Which is DS to be included in playground games.

Help!!!

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robinpud · 17/11/2008 20:33

Talk to the school quietly and calmly. Explain that you feel your son needs help and support from the school so that he is able to mix well at playtimes. This is essential preparation for senior school.
Ask them how they could work with you to help him- they should suggest things like SEAL which is a programme designed to build the social skills of all children and perhaps establishing a small group to nurture and encourage him.

LittleBella · 17/11/2008 20:45

robinpud I've already done that. For nearly 2 years I've been talking quietly and calmly to them. They've been quietly and calmly pretending that it's not a big issue. At the last parent's evening, his teacher told me he prefers to read a book at playtime. He prefers to read a book because he's had 2 years of being rejected by his peers so it's a self-defence mechanism. He's given up expecting to be included in games and has found other ways to entertain himself. The school are relieved he's not causing trouble, I'm relieved he has found a strategy to entertain himself, but it is not good for him and I want it acknowledged and dealt with properly.

I realise I should have been much more pushy earlier, but I didn't want to be an hysterical PFB loon and I also thought it might get better. It simply hasn't and unless I stop being as quiet and calm as I have been, the school will simply ignore it. So what I want to do is put it in writing.

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LittleBella · 17/11/2008 20:46

sorry I mean what should I write??

Should hve made that clear. I feel it's gone beyond talking about it, they simply ignore our conversations. I've had 3, once every parents evening, one in Yr3, one in Yr 4 and now justthis oct, one in Yr 5.

Meanwhile, DS has developed a negativity about school which he didn't have in his infant school.

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StarlightMcKenzie · 17/11/2008 20:56

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LittleBella · 17/11/2008 21:00

He is a very good goalie and he goes to football club. But they still won't let him join in. The reasons that they give is that he's rubbish (possible, but prob. no more rubbish than anyone else) and that he's got ginger hair. (True.)

I agree that forcing them won't help. But I disagree that he needs to find strategies to stop himself being excluded. I think it's up to the school to find strategies to ensure that they are building a playground environment which facilitates inclusion.

How to say that to them in the correct way?

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LittleBella · 17/11/2008 21:01

Agree that it would be desirable for him to find strategies btw, but that is not going to happen - he's tried for about a year and then he more or less gave up. Hence hiding behind a book.

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robinpud · 17/11/2008 21:58

I'm sorry you have had such an awful time Bella. I can sympathise as a redhead!

It doesn't sound as if the school are thinking particularly deeply about his emotional well being. I would now go and talk to either the Head or the person with responsibility for the well being of the children. As I suggested earlier, the SEAL materials are examples of best practice for schools and provde a structured time for teaching children the sorts of skills your son and his peers all deserve If the school aren't using SEAL, then i would want to know how they teach PSHE and how they monitor the happiness and well being of the children in their care.

There are lots of things the school could be doing- are there playground pals for instance? Is there plenty of age appropriate equipment for children to play with. Our year 5 and 6 children have lots. Do lonely children have a strategy to use- some schools have a special bench to sit on if they feel in need of a friend. Some schools also run small groups to support children with specific difficulties for a short periods- a nurture type approach. So, if your son were in my class, I would have set up such a small group with him, several other good role models , and perhaps some other quieter, less sociable children. I would work weith them to build a group ethos, to encourage them to find connections with each other, to help each other to develop social skills and self esteem in various ways. This can be done by meeting once a week at lunchtime for instance. This would give your ds a safe environment to start mixing more readily and allow other children to see how delightful he is . After a while we normally find that the child we were particularly looking to help has blossomed, but that all of the children who particiapted have gained lots from the experience. Can the school support him in any ways similar to this. Ask them to draw up an action plan. I think the problem is not so much your son's as the school's. Dothey even have a school council where the sort of bullyingh shown by the "ball owners" can be addressed?

If you get no joy whatsoever and you really want to pursue things, then as to speak to one of the parent governors.

LittleBella · 17/11/2008 22:15

thanks for this rp, will mention SEAL in letter.

He's been to the school counselling service last year, he had major anxiety re homework etc. - disproportionately, considering he has no serious probs with it.

I've realised tht this exclusion from peer activity has been the real reason for all the anxiety, negativity etc. Feel like a wanker for not having taken it more seriously before and trying to tackle it with counselling etc., when it's playground relationships that are the issue.

Re SEAL, my feeling is that the playground supervisors probably don't get adequate training in recognising how to deal with exclusion. So all those great ideas, which the teachers are all enthusiastic about, just aren't working their way into the playground. Do you have a link to SEAL stuff?

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andellewi · 18/11/2008 00:17

Hello there,

I am new to this but like you, I have a son in year 5, age 9, youngest in his year. Like your son, last term he was being excluded in the playground to the point where, he was so unhappy, he wouldn't go to school. This was as a result of the the so called football crowd ganging up on him. He can hold his own physically but this was a clear verbal attack which quite frankly he didn't react to because he was afraid of getting into trouble. The children took advantage.

The head, despite my request of simply talking to him and then the other boys seemed to be a task in itself. I drew it to the attention of my friend and supervisor of the after school club who spoke to the boy and his parents the very next day. Most decent people will discipline their children where the school seem to fail.

After term, there was a recent incident where my son was in trouble for punching a boy. He reacted to being pushed and tripped over. I accept that he should be disciplined however, the other child, who was the perpetrator which is ofter the case, wasn't.

After what we've been through, I put pen to paper the next day and explained how I thought the school was failing in its duty of care and whilst violence was not tolerated, the perpetrators of verbal or physical violence should also be punished.

In my sons experience, the verbal bullying was far more damaging than physical.

Having written a strongly toned letter, the headmaster telephoned me the same morning.

I explained my concerns. The playground was
not being sufficiently supervised, things were being missed and when a child reacted, they were not given the chance to explain.

My son came home last friday upset, he felt he was a loser because he hadn't made the rugby team.

I left it alone that night. The next day, I told him what he had a real talent for and how he had a real thirst for knowledge. He then opened up and told me that his teacher had given him star of the day for his work and his english teacher told him he was the star of the class etc.

It appears that they have perhaps taken some of my concerns on board and are actively building his confidence up within the classroom.

Since the start of September, this is the happiest he's been.

Forget about counselling, the school may be keen to maybe make an issue of your child by suggesting bringing an events book home to record daily events.

Hone in on what he's really good at and encourage it. Some of these kids who think they are the bees knees might be stacking shelves one day and he may be in charge!

Remember, life is difficult, rather than pull him out and put him in another school
equip him with the tools to deal with idiots and he'll be fine.

He simply has a different personality to some of the others.

I wouldn't bother with this modern day counselling etc, it may make him think he's the one with the problem.

Encourage him, build him up and get the school to do it to.

My husband is a red head and we have three children. I find it difficult.

I have however noticed that by building my
sons confidence at home is making a difference.

Any concerns, put it in writing. If you like, I'll send you the copy of my letter however, I was angry when I wrote it.

Good luck.

LittleBella · 18/11/2008 15:49

Thanks Andellewi.

It's quite difficult to get the tone right isn't it, with letters. I want to make sure that they know I want to work with them constructively but that I won't be fobbed off anymore and won't let the matter rest.

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andellewi · 18/11/2008 16:16

I put my concerns in writing because I felt if nothing was resolved and I removed him from that school, I could at least forward a copy of my complaint to the LEA for them to know that there were some serious issues at the school which were not being addressed.

Good luck.

robinpud · 18/11/2008 20:13

I wouldn't necessarily put things in writing; it's difficult to convey emotion and strike the right tone. Building a relationship with the school and getting them on side is important. I know it should be a given, but in this case it isn't.

SEAL stuff here

Has the school got a school council? How much training do the mid day supervisor have? Do they have children who are playleaders? What are they doing for any bullying week this week for instance? Their approach to that will be telling.
I am not one to use the bullying word lightly, but this sort of exclusion is really behaviour well on the way to being bullying.

Good luck

LittleBella · 18/11/2008 20:47

ooh, thanks for this rp it looks good

They're inviting everyone to wear a blue item of clothing for anti-bullying week.

Apart from that, nothing else that I've heard about.

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dinny · 18/11/2008 20:50

I think you should out your concerns in writing to the head and request a meeeting - say you wish to make things formal.

This is a helfpul site... www.bullying.co.uk/parents/index.aspx

MorocconOil · 18/11/2008 21:01

The school should be doing all sorts of the stuff robinpud describes. Ofsted now expect schools to adopt these kinds of policies.

What's the head like? The strategies Robinpud talks of require a lot of commitment from the whole school led by the head.

I would write to the head or ask to meet with him/her. If you get nowhere then write to the Chair of Governors.

LittleBella · 18/11/2008 21:04

I was going to write to his form teacher in the first instance, do you think I should go directly to the head? I thought it would be better to give form teacher a chance to sort it out first, she hasn't been on the case because I haven't alerted her strongly enough that I'm on the case (mentioning it at Parent's Evening isn't enough apparantly, that's why I'm putting it in writing. But I thought she was my first port of call IYSWIM?)

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dinny · 18/11/2008 21:09

LB, on that website there is a page that sets out the procedure to take if you feel your concerns aren't being addressed

I think, as you have mentioned it so many times to the teacher, the head in writing would be the next step...

dinny · 18/11/2008 21:11

yes, look on this page for advice www.bullying.co.uk/parents/howtoaproachtheschool.aspx

LittleBella · 18/11/2008 21:11

Have only mentioned one time to this form teacher. (Year 5)

Also mentioned to the other form teachers, once in Yr 3 and maybe 3 times in Yr 4.

Have never put my concerns in writing though.

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MorocconOil · 18/11/2008 21:12

I'd go to the head because it seems more of a policy issue. That's if you are sure non of those playground strategies are in place. If those strategies are in place, then it is the class teacher's responsibility, along with lunchtime supervisors to ensure they are working. If fundamental changes need to be made, then the sooner the ball gets rolling the better. Your DS is in Year 5, so it doesn't give them long to make some changes for the better.
It sounds pretty dire to me, but I hope you get something sorted for your DS's sake. It sounds like it's the school's problem rather than your DS's.
Good luck, and let us know how you get on.

LittleBella · 18/11/2008 21:12

oh yes it says write a note saying probs are still unresolved.

so that's ok then, am following correct procedure.

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cornsilk · 18/11/2008 21:13

I would go to head - this has been going on for some time. Quote 'every child matters' at them.

robinpud · 18/11/2008 21:35

as others say; this isn't something that a class teacher can really sort out and in asking them to deal with it, it loses potency.
The Head needs to be aware of the issue itself and that it has been raised at parents' meetings previously.
I think the time has come to make an appointment, talk to the HEad and explain in simple terms that your son is not happy at playtimes and that this unhappiness spills over into other areas. Ask them to come up with some tangible ways of raising his self esteem and ensuring his playtimes are happy. Give them a couple of days to get their plan sorted and then ask to see it before they start anything. That gives you a chance to see what they intend to do and to see how they intend to do it. It ensures they know you won't go away this time. I don't think you need to be all guns blazing, it's key to get them on your ds's side. Good luck.

AJ2008 · 20/11/2008 14:57

I know I am coming in to this discussion rather late but here's my views and they are born out of having had a three year battle with my daughter's primary school while she was being bullied.

The website that helped me the most was

Kidscape

They have a free phone line to help you and the tips they give are the ones we used - including putting everything in writing. This is absolutely crucial as by doing this you have an official record of what is going on and when it started. I was also advised to keep a diary.

I have also written an article summarising the strategies we used and there's links to further help and also to my diary.

Bullying at Primary School

Before you meet with the Head, get a copy of your school's anti-bullying policy. See what they define as bullying and I bet exclusion is on it. Stay calm but remember the school has a duty to apply their anti-bullying policy to the letter and they are clearly not doing it in this case.

Good luck and I hope it gets resolved soon.

LittleBella · 20/11/2008 20:03

Thanks for these links AJ, v.v. useful

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