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WinColl to Eton for 6th form

44 replies

Floreathlon · 22/04/2023 22:42

Has anyone done it before? The schools are similar enough to make for an easy transfer.

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parietal · 22/04/2023 23:01

Why would you want to transfer? It is normally easier to stay in the same place for 6th form - familiar teachers, no need to make new friends etc.

Floreathlon · 22/04/2023 23:05

That is still way ahead of us (holding offers at both) I was just thinking as Wincoll almost seems better for the lower years, with shared dorm own dining and more of a back in the hand, whereas Eton may be better for sixth form for older teens with its single rooms, larger school and closer to London!

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CapaciousHag · 22/04/2023 23:40

Well, I don’t know that it’s impossible, but from what I do know - I’d hope Eton would, in general, prioritise direct entry to the sixth form for pupils who have not had the advantage of a Winchester education.

parietal · 22/04/2023 23:44

Moving school at 6th form is hard when 90% of kids aren't moving. Pick one school and stick with it.

CapaciousHag · 23/04/2023 08:11

The public schools I know generally encourage an influx of new blood at sixth form entry. Some single sex schools are co-ed for the final two years. Others may just want to ensure they keep up their A’ Level grades. So it’s hardly unusual.

Ziegfeld · 23/04/2023 10:47

You are mad, OP. Pick one and stick with it. Ideally sooner rather than later, as it is rather selfish to sit on more than one offer to a top school.

Americanmomof3 · 23/04/2023 13:10

@Floreathlon we are in the same situation, I think Eton may offer more for DS though. Also Eton is very competitive at 6th , it may be easier to get into Winchester at 6th form. I do know boys who left Winchester after gcse for St Paul’s and Westminster but they did live in London .

We are holding onto both offers for now , along with a day option. Boys change so much at this age and we have time to decide.

Beyondthesea123 · 02/06/2023 08:36

Now Winchester is now introducing girls in the sixth form so you prefer your son to be at an all boy school?

Moonlaserbearwolf · 02/06/2023 08:59

Ditch them both and go to Peter Symonds’

Floreathlon · 17/06/2023 19:26

Fair point @Beyondthesea123 Nearly indifferent whether single vs co-ed but the demi-gods of the media seem to be turning against all boys schools, so that puts Wincoll slightly ahead in my book but that is not a decisive factor for me

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Xiaoxiong · 21/06/2023 21:12

Almost the only boys who enter Eton at 6th form are the Orwell Scholars. They're for very bright, academic boys from state schools who have had few opportunities so unlikely to be a boy who has come from Winchester.

Remember that Eton has a bedroom per boy, so you can't squeeze extra in - they can only take as many as they have bedrooms for. And very few boys leave, so there is seldom any space beyond the places reserved for the Orwell Scholars.

If you feel Eton would be a better fit later on, choose Eton to start with as it is almost impossible to join past Year 9. Not completely impossible but very unlikely. If you like the idea of a central canteen, choose a Bekynton house.

Xiaoxiong · 21/06/2023 21:16

PS I had the same dilemma, had places at eton and another school that I feel like if I had to move this coming September (son going into Y7) I would choose as it's smaller, more nurturing etc. but I know by Y9, my son will be ready for a bigger pond, and by y12 he would have thoroughly outgrown that school. So we will go for eton as I feel it will grow with him more, and stretch him more.

Hamptonhill · 22/06/2023 08:10

I would definitely go for Eton ,there is virtually no movement at 6th form.The pastoral care is far superior to Winchester despite it being a much bigger school. Your DS will grow into the school and will be ready to embrace all that is on offer in the senior years.

Winchester are now advertising their 6th form ,we know of boys who left. Your DS will get much more out of Eton.

Beyondthesea123 · 22/06/2023 22:53

I think it is unfair to say that pastoral care at Eton is superior. There is no proof of that at all.

I think how much each kids thrive at boarding school is almost depend on luck. It depends on chemistry between Housemaster, Matron, your year group and so many unknown factors. Each boys are very different. I know many boys who have a brilliant time at Winchester and if they have gone to Eton they possibly would not be as happy.

Both Winchester and Eton are good schools and very similar in style so I think it is better to transfer to something much different if parents are not happy about the school.

Floreathlon · 23/06/2023 03:23

Eton has an excellent reputation, but all we saw during our visits was traffic and pollution, boys usually alone (and always in an anxious hurry) other than the occasional bulky rugby squad returning from a game.

Wincoll seemed more tranquil, boys usually in big groups, nearly always engaged in a conversation, and much more relaxed. It may be down to the location by a river, or the green space, or the daily Div discussions, or the own dining rooms. Whatever it is, it is definitely growing on us.

As a former boarder, I always smile at the notion of pastoral care at any boarding school. Culture is everything!

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Ophelia21 · 23/06/2023 12:02

My DS was at Winchester and there really wasn't any pastoral care, he was fine but lots of boys had issues that their parents didn't know anything about .Sometimes because they don't want to , I think . We didn't need DS to board and looking back we wouldn't do it again. I doubt very much that other schools are different but they may be.

You invest so much when you send your child to a school like Winchester but it's really not worth in any way. We felt like you when we visited but really it's just boys making the best of being away from home.

I remember the excitement amoung the boys when the first lockdown was announced , many wanted it to carry on forever.The dynamics in some of the houses between the housemaster/ matron etc are not good. It's not pleasant for boys , possibly ours was particularly bad. Our DS could have been enjoying a happy family home.

Nobody has the interests of your child at heart as you do. Mental health is so important and whilst we escaped without any issues, I would never risk it again. We had an idealistic view of the school before we joined but looking back I can't quite believe how naive I was.

The headmaster took the time to know certain boys but didn't know the vast majority of them. I don't think Winchester does much for the boys who clearly need help with social skills. I'm not sure what their priorities are, it's certainly not the boys. The lack of care does make me feel sad even now.

As I said we were very naive.

Floreathlon · 24/06/2023 23:43

I am sympathetic and really understand your concerns. Did you parents board, and did your son have a good time? In my case, some of the best years of my life were boarding in senior school. That was before the arrival of the snowflake generation, and the spread of the gaming discord culture of course.

For me as a former boarder I always approach a school with the assumption that pastoral care at any school is window dressing at best. It is the community in your dorm (and to some extent in your year group) that really counts, and how they deal with things amongst others. Adults can try their very best to control teenagers, but we have all been there… teens are teens behind closed doors, and boarders are no different.

My positive personal experience aside, I also feel that boarding in this day and age is at a premium. In a world where gaming and discord chats monopolise time away from socialising and friendships (and are used by many as a way to escape) where else, how else could you build lasting friendships for life? Where else, how else can you learn to read the room, earn trust, learn to be respected, build loyalty, understand how others in your generation really think, find your way out of seemingly impossible situations, or build rock solid friendships for life?

It is unlikely that the time eater Fortnite or the dementor Discord will prepare anyone for life in the real world with other human beings.

When it comes to a school, I am placing my bets on selection and culture, which can be best observed by watching the boys interact with each other (and with the outside world), especially when noone is looking. We observed a sense of loneliness at Eton (single rooms? shared dining?), a sense of exclusion at Marlborough and Sevenoaks (posh is everything), and a sense of too busy to think at Harrow (every minute is packed) kicking the can down the road. We found the culture of Winchester appealing, as boys in general seemed to be good humoured and gentle. It is also very familiar in the sense that the adults are adults and respected.

In the corporate world, there is a saying that culture eats strategy for breakfast. In due diligence, the future fortunes of a company can often be very accurately predicted by just observing the corporate culture, as it defines everything. Investment banks place more emphasis in this than on certain financial ratios, for a good reason. Words, actions, instructions and even reprimands are read and understood in that context: executed without questioning, interpreted thoughtfully and occasionally argued, taken to heart, or even laughed at or resisted, etc.

In case of a boarding school, I would argue that culture and selection (of the right pupils) eats pastoral care for breakfast. The intervention of any adult will be read in that context, just like in the corporate world. Best case is if there is minimal need for pastoral care.

I also understood that pastoral care at Wincoll is embedded into daily life, e.g. Div dons are always on a lookout for potential
issues. Did your son have a similar experience?

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Ophelia21 · 25/06/2023 00:43

No ,my parents did not board. I'm not sure why that's revelent.

My DS has never had any interest in gaming or discord, this was part of our reason behind sending him to Winchester. In reality many boys spent vast amounts of free time gaming. Supervision was pretty lax in our house but it wasn't an issue for us. If your son is I don't think going to Winchester will help.

Pastoral care is not imbedded into daily life and some boys definitely needed it. As I said my DS didn't have any particular issues but wouldn't relive the experience. Most of his friends feel the same.

He felt very uncomfortable about some of the things that Winchester would prefer to cover up.
Others won't have a problem of course.

Floreathlon · 25/06/2023 01:35

Are you a genuine poster? The lack of balance in your posts questions your authenticity. Zero insight, general phrases. Please give concrete details, names, dates, etc. If you were really so dissatisfied, why continue?

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bobblyjob · 25/06/2023 01:51

Poor children. Your style of posting demonstrates so much about the attitude being instilled in these schools. They produce a large portion of politicians and this is why the country is so fucked up

Ophelia21 · 25/06/2023 02:21

Yes, my reply was genuine but it was my first post on mumsnet. Most of the mums who replied to you had no experience of Winchester so I thought mine might be of value.

We made different choices for our other children and in hindsight we should have removed our son. Tonight I am reminded yet again of why we are all so much happier now that our time at that school has ended.

DS has just finished his first year at University, we couldn't be more proud of him.

Beyondthesea123 · 25/06/2023 16:43

There are many posters who has experiences sending their DC to Winchester and they often give an insight information on mumsnet. Somehow I haven’t seen that on your post. The way you use the language remind me of some parents from other school that often write about Winchester in not such a nice way and always comparing Winchester to another similar school , trying to proof the point that another one is much better. May be I think too much and you are truly genuine.

So far, at least in my DS year group all of my DS circle of friends are very happy ( mostly sporty crowd and friends from his boarding house) . I also talked to parents of a very quirky boys and they said their DS loves the school and feel that he has got a lot of support.

Ophelia21 · 25/06/2023 17:09

I don't have experience of any other boarding school as we haven't chosen boarding for our other children.

I shared my experience after five years at the school and I'm pleased it has come to an end.

FantasticElasticBand · 25/06/2023 17:35

DS is currently at WinColl. He certainly doesn’t game in his free time. Free time should be accounted for with sport, clubs, Mill, music etc…. They do get ‘down’ time - weekends and after Toytime. I suppose they could be loafing around on their phone / surface then.

Floreathlon · 29/06/2023 04:33

@Ophelia21 so just to summarise: you are a genuine parent, your DS has never had any interest in gaming, you could have left anytime but didn’t and decided to pay the exorbitant fees term after term for some unknown reason, and now five years later your first post on MN is on a Wincoll to Eton in 6th form thread, where you are bashing your DS’ alleged senior school and soil his resume in the process, and you are doing this without any balance. Sure, you could be genuine, but I sincerely doubt it.

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