Where can I live with my Black family? Now we have an evidenced based answer to that Q

[samosamo]

That's right! the election has been very helpful for us. It's a crude, but I'd say a valid, approximation of how welcome a black family would feel (be?) in certain UK locales. What is that measure? How well Reform did in that area!

Just direct any mumsnetters who ask the question, to this post!

Where Reform won:

Boston and Skegness
Ashfield, Nottinghamshire
Great Yarmouth
Clacton in Essex
South Basildon and East Thurrock

And where they came second, the list is very long, I'm afraid. I've included the vote share so it's more clear how strong the support was:

Aberafan

1. Labour: 17,838 votes. 49.9% share
2. Reform UK: 7,484 votes. 20.9% share

Alyn and Deeside

1. Labour: 18,395 votes. 42.4% share
2. Reform UK: 9,601 votes. 22.1% share

Amber Valley

1. Labour: 15,746 votes. 37.0% share
2. Reform UK: 12,192 votes. 28.7% share

Ashton-under-Lyne

1. Labour: 15,575 votes. 43.9% share
2. Reform UK: 8,784 votes. 24.8% share

Barking

1. Labour: 16,227 votes. 44.5% share
2. Reform UK: 5,173 votes. 14.2% share

Barnsley North

1. Labour: 18,610 votes. 50.4% share
2. Reform UK: 10,799 votes. 29.3% share

Barnsley South

1. Labour: 16,399 votes. 46.7% share
2. Reform UK: 11,651 votes. 33.2% share

Birmingham Erdington

1. Labour: 14,774 votes. 43.7% share
2. Reform UK: 7,755 votes. 22.9% share

Blackley and Middleton South

1. Labour: 16,864 votes. 53.8% share
2. Reform UK: 6,614 votes. 21.1% share

Blackpool South

1. Labour: 16,916 votes. 48.1% share
2. Reform UK: 10,068 votes. 28.6% share

Blaydon and Consett

1. Labour: 21,160 votes. 50.1% share
2. Reform UK: 10,007 votes. 23.7% share

Blyth and Ashington

1. Labour: 20,030 votes. 49.6% share
2. Reform UK: 10,857 votes. 26.9% share

Bolton South and Walkden

1. Labour: 15,093 votes. 40.9% share
2. Reform UK: 8,350 votes. 22.6% share

Bootle

1. Labour: 26,729 votes. 68.7% share
2. Reform UK: 4,746 votes. 12.2% share

Bradford South

1. Labour: 11,833 votes. 35.8% share
2. Reform UK: 7,441 votes. 22.5% share

Brentwood and Ongar

1. Conservative: 17,731 votes. 36.7% share
2. Reform UK: 11,751 votes. 24.3% share

Bridgend

1. Labour: 16,516 votes. 39.9% share
2. Reform UK: 7,921 votes. 19.1% share

Castle Point

1. Conservative: 15,485 votes. 38.1% share
2. Reform UK: 12,234 votes. 30.1% share

City of Durham

1. Labour: 19,131 votes. 47.1% share
2. Reform UK: 7,374 votes. 18.2% share

Coventry East

1. Labour: 18,308 votes. 49.5% share
2. Reform UK: 6,685 votes. 18.1% share

Cramlington and Killingworth

1. Labour: 22,274 votes. 49.1% share
2. Reform UK: 9,454 votes. 20.8% share

Dagenham and Rainham

1. Labour: 16,571 votes. 42.6% share
2. Reform UK: 9,398 votes. 24.2% share

Derby South

1. Labour: 14,503 votes. 38.8% share
2. Reform UK: 8,501 votes. 22.7% share

Dover and Deal

1. Labour: 18,940 votes. 39.6% share
2. Reform UK: 11,355 votes. 23.8% share

Easington

1. Labour: 16,774 votes. 48.9% share
2. Reform UK: 10,232 votes. 29.8% share

Ellesmere Port and Bromborough

1. Labour: 24,186 votes. 57.6% share
2. Reform UK: 7,278 votes 17.3% share

Erith and Thamesmead

1. Labour: 22,246 votes. 55.1% share
2. Reform UK: 5,944 votes. 14.7% share

Gateshead Central and Whickham Labour: 18,245 votes. 45.4% share Reform UK: 8,601 votes. 21.4% share

Gorton and Denton
Labour: 18,555 votes. 50.8% share
Reform UK: 5,142 votes. 14.1% share

Great Grimsby and Cleethorpes
Labour: 15,336 votes. 41.9% share
Reform UK: 10,533 votes. 28.8% share

Hartlepool
Labour: 16,414 votes. 46.2% share
Reform UK: 8,716 votes. 24.5% share

Heywood and Middleton North
Labour: 15,069 votes. 40.6% share
Reform UK: 8,987 votes. 24.2% share

Hornchurch and Upminster
Conservative: 15,260 votes. 32.5% share
Reform UK: 13,317 votes. 28.4% share

Houghton and Sunderland South
Labour: 18,837 votes. 47.1% share
Reform UK: 11,668 votes. 29.1% share

Hull East
Labour: 13,047 votes. 43.8% share
Reform UK: 9,127 votes. 30.6% share

Hull North & Cottingham
Labour: 18,480 votes. 48.3% share
Reform UK: 7,801 votes. 20.4% share

Hull West & Haltemprice
Labour: 17,875 votes. 46.8% share
Reform UK: 8,896 votes. 23.3% share

Isle of Wight East
Conservative: 10,427 votes. 30.6% share
Reform UK: 7,104 votes. 20.8% share

Jarrow and Gateshead East
Labour: 18,856 votes. 51.3% share
Reform UK: 9,892 votes. 26.9% share

Knowsley
Labour: 24,243 votes. 67.3% share
Reform UK: 5,924 votes. 16.4% share
Leeds East
Labour: 18,610 votes. 47.2% share
Reform UK: 7,345 votes. 18.6% share
Leigh and Atherton
Labour: 19,971 votes. 48.5% share
Reform UK: 11,090 votes. 26.9% share
Liverpool Garston
Labour: 24,510 votes. 58.4% share
Reform UK: 4,406 votes. 10.5% share
Liverpool Walton
Labour: 26,032 votes. 70.6% share
Reform UK: 5,787 votes. 15.7% share
Liverpool West Derby
Labour: 25,302 votes. 66.6% share
Reform UK: 4,879 votes. 12.8% share
Llanelli
Labour: 12,751 votes. 31.3% share
Reform UK: 11,247 votes. 27.6% share
Louth and Horncastle
Conservative: 17,441 votes. 37.5% share
Reform UK: 11,935 votes. 25.7% share
Makerfield
Labour: 18,202 votes. 45.2% share
Reform UK: 12,803 votes. 31.8% share
Maldon
Conservative: 19,374 votes. 38.9% share
Reform UK: 12,468 votes. 25.0% share
Merthyr Tydfil and Aberdare
Labour: 15,791 votes. 44.8% share
Reform UK: 8,344 votes. 23.7% share
Middlesbrough and Thornaby East
Labour: 16,238 votes. 47.2% share
Reform UK: 7,046 votes. 20.5% share
Montgomeryshire and Glyndwr
Labour: 12,709 votes. 29.4% share
Reform UK: 8,894 votes. 20.6% share
Neath and Swansea East
Labour: 16,797 votes. 41.8% share
Reform UK: 10,170 votes. 25.3% share
Newcastle upon Tyne Central and West
Labour: 18,875 votes. 45.6% share
Reform UK: 7,815 votes. 18.9% share
Newcastle upon Tyne East and Wallsend
Labour: 21,200 votes. 50.1% share
Reform UK: 8,383 votes. 19.8% share
Newport East
Labour: 16,370 votes. 42.5% share
Reform UK: 7,361 votes. 19.1% share
Newport West and Islwyn
Labour: 17,409 votes. 41.5% share
Reform UK: 8,541 votes. 20.4% share
Newton Aycliffe and Spennymoor
Labour: 18,394 votes. 46.2% share
Reform UK: 9,555 votes. 24.0% share
Normanton and Hemsworth
Labour: 17,275 votes. 47.5% share
Reform UK: 10,613 votes. 29.2% share
North Durham
Labour: 16,562 votes. 39.8% share
Reform UK: 10,689 votes. 25.7% share
North East Cambridgeshire
Conservative: 16,246 votes. 41.5% share
Reform UK: 9,057 votes. 23.1% share
Nottingham North and Kimberley
Labour: 16,480 votes. 47.1% share
Reform UK: 7,053 votes. 20.1% share
Oldham East and Saddleworth
Labour: 14,091 votes. 35.2% share
Reform UK: 7,734 votes. 19.3% share

Plymouth Sutton and Devonport
Labour: 20,795 votes. 49.4% share
Reform UK: 7,467 votes. 17.7% share
Pontefract, Castleford and Knottingley
Labour: 17,089 votes. 47.5% share
Reform UK: 10,459 votes. 29.1% share
Pontypridd
Labour: 16,225 votes. 41.2% share
Reform UK: 7,823 votes. 19.9% share
Portsmouth South
Labour: 18,857 votes. 48.4% share
Reform UK: 5,702 votes. 14.6% share
Rawmarsh and Conisbrough
Labour: 16,612 votes. 49.0% share
Reform UK: 9,704 votes. 28.6% share
Rayleigh and Wickford
Conservative: 17,756 votes. 37.0% share
Reform UK: 12,135 votes. 25.3% share
Rhondda and Ogmore
Labour: 17,118 votes. 47.8% share
Reform UK: 9,328 votes. 26.1% share
Rotherham
Labour: 16,671 votes. 45.1% share
Reform UK: 11,181 votes. 30.3% share
Runcorn and Helsby
Labour: 22,358 votes. 52.9% share
Reform UK: 7,662 votes. 18.1% share
Salford
Labour: 21,132 votes. 53.2% share
Reform UK: 6,031 votes. 15.2% share
Smethwick
Labour: 16,858 votes. 48.0% share
Reform UK: 5,670 votes. 16.1% share
South Holland and the Deepings
Conservative: 17,462 votes. 38.0% share
Reform UK: 10,606 votes. 23.1% share
South Shields
Labour: 15,122 votes. 41.1% share
Reform UK: 8,469 votes. 23.0% share
Spen Valley
Labour: 16,076 votes. 39.2% share
Reform UK: 9,888 votes. 24.1% share
St Helens North
Labour: 21,284 votes. 52.6% share
Reform UK: 9,115 votes. 22.5% share
St Helens South and Whiston
Labour: 18,919 votes. 49.7% share
Reform UK: 6,974 votes. 18.3% share
Stalybridge and Hyde
Labour: 16,320 votes. 43.8% share
Reform UK: 7,781 votes. 20.9% share
Stockport
Labour: 21,787 votes. 49.9% share
Reform UK: 6,517 votes. 14.9% share
Stockton North
Labour: 17,128 votes. 45.8% share
Reform UK: 9,189 votes. 24.6% share
Stoke-on-Trent Central
Labour: 14,950 votes. 42.4% share
Reform UK: 8,541 votes. 24.2% share
Sunderland Central
Labour: 16,852 votes. 42.2% share
Reform UK: 10,779 votes. 27.0% share
Swansea West
Labour: 14,761 votes. 41.4% share
Reform UK: 6,246 votes. 17.5% share
Telford
Labour: 18,212 votes. 44.7% share
Reform UK: 10,110 votes. 24.8% share
Thurrock
Labour: 16,050 votes. 42.7% share
Reform UK: 9,576 votes. 25.5% share
Torfaen
Labour: 15,176 votes. 42.5% share
Reform UK: 7,854 votes. 22.0% share
Wakefield and Rothwell
Labour: 17,773 votes. 43.7% share
Reform UK: 8,427 votes. 20.7% share
Wallasey
Labour: 24,674 votes. 57.7% share
Reform UK: 6,678 votes. 15.6% share
Warrington North
Labour: 18,730 votes. 46.8% share
Reform UK: 9,540 votes. 23.8% share
Washington and Gateshead South
Labour: 17,682 votes. 47.8% share
Reform UK: 10,769 votes. 29.1% share
Whitehaven and Workington
Labour: 22,173 votes. 53.0% share
Reform UK: 8,887 votes. 21.2% share
Widnes and Halewood
Labour: 23,484 votes. 61.6% share
Reform UK: 7,059 votes. 18.5% share
Wigan
Labour: 19,401 votes. 47.4% share
Reform UK: 9,852 votes. 24.1% share
Wolverhampton South East
Labour: 16,800 votes. 50.3% share
Reform UK: 7,612 votes. 22.8% share
Worsley and Eccles
Labour: 20,277 votes. 47.7% share
Reform UK: 9,186 votes. 21.6% share
Wythenshawe and Sale East
Labour: 20,596 votes. 52.6% share
Reform UK: 5,986 votes. 15.3% share

Erdington also has a large black and asian community. I wonder if it's to send a signal of pushback.

Not a surprising list at all having lived abd worked in some of those areas. What they have in common is that they are mostly deprived areas with low educational attainment. It's the biscuit argument. You are poor and disenfranchised because poor brown people are taking what's yours not the elite.

No they're not, Bexley overall is massively white, there are black pockets but Bexley borough has a non-white population of 28% in 2021 census , can't imagine its become 'notoriously black' in the space of 3 years.

Its like Lambeth and Lewisham and Croydon, although seen as 'black areas' they are not 'notoriously' black areas either, if you count 'non-white' the figures go up, but not just black ( and I count Caribbean and African) . Its just a notoriously prejudiced country that greatly quantifies the black presence in general.

trustforlondon.org.uk/data/ethnic-diversity/

Also on the Reform vote, its a bit like Brexit, not everyone who voted for it is racist, true, but all racists would have voted for it.

Pleased to see that no Hertfordshire constituencies are included in that list. Some parts are definitely whiter than others but, overall, I would recommend the bigger towns in Herts as welcoming to black families.

I don’t live in any of the areas you listed but I am embarrassed and ashamed of the UK that deform got a single vote. They were third in my area which was bad enough.
Hoping they have now got enough rope to hang themselves as we see what their mps get up to.

The number of places where reform got in 1st or 2nd is really depressing. So many!

@samosamo if anything that list is a bit too crude. I’d suggest the picture is more worrying than that.

ignoring where Reform came 2nd or won in another 75 constituencies it got over 20% of the vote. In a further 152 it got between 15% and 20%. So another 227 constituencies to add to the 98 where it came second and the 5 where it won. Which excluding Norther Ireland is just past half of all constituencies.🙁

trying to strike a more optimistic note

• not a single Reform vote in Northern Ireland.
• in both London overall and Scotland overall it got 7.3% and 7.0% respectively. Far lower than any other region / UK nation. Next lowest South West and South East though at 13.4% and 13.7% both not far off double the percentages for London and Scotland.

https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/CBP-10009/CBP-10009.pdf Has a number of maps and a whole raft of data on where Reform had the least and most impacts

Well, @boys3 , if we're going to have a race to the bottom (!), in my London constituency Reform didn't field a candidate (probably because they had absolutely no chance at all of winning). Even so, it is conceivable that they would have attracted an even greater % of the national and London vote if they had full coverage....

@samosamo - genuine question here - can I ask why you have not capitalised "black"? For many people the capitalization of that one letter is the difference between a colour and a culture. Associated Press (AP) makes the same point: “The lowercase black is a color, not a person.”

It's not a criticism - I'm genuinely interested. Since the Black Lives Matter protests I have consistently capitalised "Black" - as a matter of respect, and as a recognition of the shared racism and lost opportunities that are a real part of many lives. But I am white - and it may matter more to me than it does to you!

@Zimunya No reason at all, I was writing casually. Is that why you did not capitalise 'white'?

I'm not sure black is a person, though people can be black. I was also raised to believe black was an absence of light (and potential for colour) rather than a colour, so I won't spend lots of time thinking about AP...

I hope it's ok to comment... I'm very glad that finally Labour won in my constituency after years of having Tories.

Sadly I do work with several White women who voted Reform and yes, I would say they are racist. They may say they are not 'maliciously' so but I disagree. I call it out every time I hear it. They are not racist to the faces of anyone of a different ethnicity; it's behind their backs. A lot of our colleagues are Black African, Indian & Filipino & these women act like their mates.
I could report them but as it's literally every White member of staff doing a particular role with one exception (me) it would be obvious I reported them.
To be honest they are probably bitchy about me too.
Thinking of changing jobs.

Also I was saddened to discover that a friend of my sister's (my sister is of mixed ethnicity) voted Reform, I haven't seen this woman since the election but she has gone way way down in my estimation.

Having said that... I would say my town is more diverse & welcoming than it used to be for Black families to live in; as especially now there are a lot of African and Afro Caribbean families who have moved here and live in certain suburbs including my estate. There are 1000s of students of various ethnicities & nationalities here too as well as many workers from abroad at the hospital & the international bank. We have various African festivals, a Reggae festival, and other events.

I would avoid moving to areas outside of town though. I would not recommend any of the market towns or small towns / villages. Yes some Black & other minority people live there but I know they have suffered racism.

Btw the local Reform candidate & his cronies looked like a bunch of thugs to me.

Ah no, no need to spend time thinking about it. Re your question as to why I didn't capitalise "white", this article explains it better than I ever could - https://www.cjr.org/analysis/capital-b-black-styleguide.php

Hmm:

At the Columbia Journalism Review, we capitalize Black, and not white, when referring to groups in racial, ethnic, or cultural terms. For many people, Black reflects a shared sense of identity and community. White carries a different set of meanings; capitalizing the word in this context risks following the lead of white supremacists.

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I don't think this makes the sense unless they are clear on what the different set of meanings 'white' might have.

I understand why they are doing this, but I also think black people have other matters closer to the top of their lists.

But thank you for the link.

I live in Derby South, it's very diverse here. The candidate from the Worker's Party of Great Britain came third.
Within Derby South there are several council wards that have Reform Councillors so they would have had a solid voting base there. The ward where I live has a high population of Sikhs, I did see a few Reform posters in windows but also as many Labour posters. Derby South will always be Red.

At least you get it
Many others don't

In the USA they call it
"The tiger won't eat my face"
When a black candidate runs for a white party
Apparently it's to do with that if said party get in they'll be seen as one of them......
And be safe