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Not all skin folk are kinfolk, Some are even binfolk

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ThinSlicePizza · 08/10/2020 11:51

Fascinating article from Gal-dem by Ava Vidal.

Black right-wing ‘spokespeople’ do not speak for me. Comedian and social commentator Ava Vidal reflects on the rise of new media Black British right-wingers downplaying racism to aid their own careers.

'As a journalist, comedian and social commentator for the past 10 years, I’m always asked to comment on racism, but there’s been a recent change in the landscape. Before, there was at least a concerted effort to promote a variety of Black voices in the British mainstream media. We’d have our Dear Uncle Trevor (Phillips) but we’d also hear from George the Poet. There would be people like Kwasi Kwarteng being challenged by grime artists such as Marci Phoenix. You’d hear from the likes of Shaun Bailey pontificating on the evils of grime music, but you’d also hear from Akala. We would be given the points of view from a range of Black people from Lorraine Pascale to Trisha Goddard.

Nowadays, it seems that the Black people being favoured as “community spokespeople” by the mainstream media are the ones who are keen to downplay anti-Blackness, and minimise or deny the existence of racism altogether. Hardcore right-wing organisations such as Toby Young’s Free Speech Union and Turning Point UK have dedicated themselves to fighting “wokeness” by recruiting these people, just to place them front and centre and deflect accusations of racism. “Some of our best friends are Black.” Blah, blah, blah. We have seen the profiles of people such as Dominique Samuels, Esther Krakue, Calvin Robinson, and Inaya Folarin Iman rise expeditiously.

The age of these people is also interesting to me. They all seem to be fairly young and lack life experience. There’s no appreciation for the sacrifices made by their elders that enable them to live life as freely as they do. They don’t seem to understand what life was like when Teddy Boys roamed the streets looking for Black people to violently attack. They have no grasp of how frustrating it was before legislation forced a tiny crack in a few doors open, to allow a few Black people to gain management positions.

I also think, that there has been a move and some sort of bravery to bring those with extreme views in to the open as away to silence black people. As a push back, i have seen lots of black journalist and bloggers, influencers refuse to attend TV interviews because they all felt like they were being used. this has created a vacuum where you have lots of people that may have not been given chance having a say now.

it would be great if people clicked on the link to read further. I found it really fascinating and thought provoking. The link to article is below.

gal-dem.com/black-right-wing-spokespeople-do-not-speak-for-me/

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Arofan · 10/10/2020 15:47

Actually that’s not who I meant, I’ll find the correct name.

Arofan · 10/10/2020 15:50

I meant Lord Hastings.

PompomDahlia · 10/10/2020 23:48

I think some of it can stem from huge insecurity. I just posted on another thread about private schools. Going to one of those and feeling pressure to fit in and not able to challenge constant racism can be crushing for your self esteem. I will admit to internalising a lot of negativity, which I grew out of once I left that environment and matured emotionally. I felt pressure to be a 'model' black person, go along with classmates joking about being 'more black' than me because they could rap/dance better etc. Part of it was also from feeling too 'white' for black people and not fitting in anywhere. I cringe at what I put up with back then and feel so sad for the young girl with no self respect. But I see it in lots of the public figures mentioned in this thread.

And yes, I think that some of them have just figured out that it's a way of making a quick buck. It doesn't help either that Labour have been so crap on race, especially for black women.

GingerScallop · 11/10/2020 02:50

It doesn't help either that Labour have been so crap on race, especially for black women.
So true. Without excusing the behaviour of sellouts and it's dangers, I resent how left leaning parties (labour here, Dems in US) take blacks for granted and act as if we owe them our loyalty because they are better than the right. The assumption that all blacks especially black women should vote labour/Dems, vote remain etc is in a way inherently racist (black people are the same etc). We really need other options. Being better than the only other option, the worst option isn't good enough. We have already put up with "as long as they are not as bad as" for too long and it hasn't helped us

ThinSlicePizza · 11/10/2020 12:46

So true. Without excusing the behaviour of sellouts and it's dangers, I resent how left leaning parties (labour here, Dems in US) take blacks for granted and act as if we owe them our loyalty because they are better than the right. The assumption that all blacks especially black women should vote labour/Dems, vote remain etc is in a way inherently racist (black people are the same etc). We really need other options. Being better than the only other option, the worst option isn't good enough. We have already put up with "as long as they are not as bad as" for too long and it hasn't helped us

Thank you for this. I am having issues with Kamala Harris. For someone who never considered themselves to be black until recently. It saddens me that at a time when America is fighting against the Police system/brutality and racism, the only option they have is to vote in a person who was racist and A woman who made extra money by imprisoning young black men for petty crimes. (her only excuse was the crime would be removed once released). and they still come across as the better candidate for Black people.

I was even more shocked that Angela Davis supported her. with everything going on, she would have been the one person I would have preferred to have stayed neutral on Kamala's support. You cannot fight to change the police system and support someone who hugely benefited from it.

As black people, we need to do better, because this is fucked up.

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PompomDahlia · 11/10/2020 13:00

It’s a difficult one but I can completely see why Angela Davis would show public support for Kamala. When the other side is openly advocating for violent racist militias and there’s a good chance they will get back in I think it had to be done. The situation shouldn’t have come to this though. But it is easier to drive change in power than in opposition

ThinSlicePizza · 11/10/2020 14:16

@PompomDahlia I think it will only cover the situation by calming it down but not solving the issue. Just like before. I hope people don't go to sleep while democrats are in power and then wakeup when republicans get in again. The momentum needs to stay the same.

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itsovernowthen · 14/10/2020 12:27

[quote ThinSlicePizza]Shaun bailey does not know whether he is coming or going..that includes chucka umunna. David lammy is another kettle of fish.

Kemi tory mp is binfolk. Coronavirus: Minister Kemi Badenoch rejects 'systemic injustice' claims

www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-politics-52913539[/quote]

I was just coming to mention Kemi Badenoch. Her views and her expression of them mean she is a very dangerous person to be representing Black people.

drspouse · 14/10/2020 12:55

I am sad to hear about Trevor Phillips ignoring Black voices; it seemed to me that one of the reasons he was not listened to by Labour was that he spoke in favour of women's rights against self ID, however.

I'd love to hear what he said (if anything) about the bullying of Black women MPs.

maggiethecat · 14/10/2020 13:27

@ThinSlicePizza
I am having issues with Kamala Harris. For someone who never considered themselves to be black until recently. It saddens me that at a time when America is fighting against the Police system/brutality and racism, the only option they have is to vote in a person who was racist and A woman who made extra money by imprisoning young black men for petty crimes. (her only excuse was the crime would be removed
once released) and they still come across as the better candidate for Black people.

I think this is another example of the need to be very careful not to consume all that we are fed. Do you think that Kamala, who speaks proudly about attending Howard, an all black university, and was a member of the oldest black sorority, really only recently considered herself black, for political mileage?

She has responded to the people peddling this narrative that it was the same tired tactic employed when Obabma ran for office.

Let us be careful not to fall for the same divisive tactics that serve those who have no care at all for our interests.

ThinSlicePizza · 14/10/2020 14:05

She has responded to the people peddling this narrative that it was the same tired tactic employed when Obabma ran for office.

Let us be careful not to fall for the same divisive tactics that serve those who have no care at all for our interests.

Thanks for this. It did actually bother me for a while and why we as black people were just accepting anything or any black person thrown at us as the answer. (thrown is probably poor wording)

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maggiethecat · 14/10/2020 14:42

who's Obabma Hmm

turnitonagain · 14/10/2020 15:39

@ThinSlicePizza I was lucky to meet Kamala Harris while on exchange at uni in the US back before she was even a senator. The talk was to the Black Students Union. She has identified as black for at least 15 years based on that event and given she went to Howard quite a but longer than that!

ThinSlicePizza · 14/10/2020 20:23

@Turnitonagain, What did you think of her as person?

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turnitonagain · 15/10/2020 01:25

She seemed very competent and very ambitious. Supportive of young black people looking at careers in law (she was district attorney then). San Francisco is a more white, Asian, and Hispanic city versus black and so for her to reach that position she had to make compromises I’m sure based on the constituency. If we want to be perfectly honest there is not a single black district attorney who can produce a record that doesn’t show black people being penalised at higher rates because that’s the American system sadly.

GreyBeeplus3 · 27/01/2026 17:03

Turnitonagain
I've read in various articles that Charlie Kirk was a "good friend" of hers.....
Thats telling me all I need to know about this "grifter" who married well and thinks she's untouchable when supposedly speaking as a black woman
She's become proof the repulsicans aren't racist and shes happy to be used as a trophy

GreyBeeplus3 · 27/01/2026 17:09

Gingerscallop
I've never liked starmer
And he was preferred over Corbin
But ive always felt he had a problem with black women; possibly thinking the same way about us white women do
Diane Abbot anyone?

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