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How do you live with the knowledge your child is going to die?

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TheDMshouldbeRivened · 05/09/2009 16:55

Thought it was about time I asked. We were told earlier this year. They can't say when except it could be any time.
But the anxiety is getting worse and worse. The fear of waking up and finding dd 'gone'. I no longer sleep because i'm too frightened. If I stay awake maybe I'll catch the seizure or not breathing and stop it happening. And the fear that I will go completely to pieces when it does happen.
A few months ago I woke up and she wasn't beathing. i put my hand on her and nothing and had that awful surreal hollow feeling thinking 'this is it. Its actually happenend'. I turned on the light and shook her and she took a breath. So now I cant sleep. The fear has been growing and growing and I don't know how to live with it
dd is 5 and a half. I feel like my whole life is weighed down by this and its preventing me appreciating the time we have left. I have other children (teenagers) but cant see how I could survive it

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ggglimpopo · 07/09/2009 12:21

Riven, after what happened to us - when ds was born, I knew I would never be able to sleep when he did, just in case.....

A very wonderful mumsnetter sent me a baby apnoea monitor, which works on movement - if he does not move for 30 seconds, an alarm goes off. I know that it is not the answer to everything - but it has saved my sanity and allowed me sleep when he does. It is not a lifesaver (and what is?) but it has definitely enabled me to accept that I can sleep and will be woken up at the slightest problem.

The one I have is an Angelcare monitor - I find it good and very reliable. There are clip on buzzer monitors for older children.

I am so sorry to hear about your little girl's prognosis Riven.

Please contact me if I can be of any help, whatsoever.

gggglimpopo at hotmail dot com

mummylin2495 · 07/09/2009 13:20

ggglimpopo its lovely to see you !

chegirl · 07/09/2009 14:55

Hi Riven. I have been reading this thread for a while but not sure how to post. I wanted to last night but a friend called and I didnt want to do it whilst I was on the phone.

When my DD was dx with cancer my immediate fear was that she was going to die right away. After the intial shock we realised that this would not happen, the treatment should keep the cancer at bay whilst she was on it. Her treatment was due to last 2 years.

Then it became apparent that the treatment was likely to kill her. From the moment I knew that I lived with the knowledge that my DD may not make it through the day. Children on cancer treatment become gravely ill very quickly. They are watching tv in morning and in ITU by the evening. They have strokes, get sepsis, pnuemonia and have extreame reactions to medication. I imagine that these sort of conditions are common in children with life limiting conditions too. My DD also developed epilepsy as a result of the neurotoxic chemotherapy.

You will know that looking after a child like this is like being in a war zone. Long periods of boredom (for want of another word) doing the mundane caring, living etc and suddenly intense periods of the highest stress imaginable when you child becomes sick. I think it sets our adrenaline levels so high that our physiology changes. A bit like children who have been severely abused, they are constantly on alert. I know that I became like this and have never really recovered.

We came to the point when we were told there was no hope for DD. She was going to die. We did not know how long she had or what would happen to her. It is something you cannot imagine. How would you cope with that news? But you just do because the world does not stop turning. I suppose once I knew that there was no hope of a cure I had to change my mindset. I had to make sure what was left was the best it could be. Full of love and light and my DD knowing how special and important she was.

I was terrified of the pain she would be in. She had suffered terribly throughout her illness. But ironically they managed to get her pain undercontrol. This is something I thank God for everyday. I was also terrified she would die in a trumatic way like bleeding to death. She was given treatment to help avoid this and it didnt happen.

I had noone who would discuss her death with me. I wanted to ask 'what will happen', 'what will it be like?' and no one would tell me. Then I phoned our local children's hospice and the did. They would answer my questions without crying and trying to stop me talking. It helped so much because I was so scared.

I spent weeks almost wishing the time would come but so so so not wanting it to happen. To want more time with my DD but not wanting her suffering to continue.

I found myself whispering things to my child I never thought I ever would. I told her it was fine to go if she was ready. It was like watching some made for tv film.

I felt like an alien as no one around me could possibly know what it was like. I still had to shop and take the kids to school and talk to other people. All the time in my head 'my DD is going to die'.

In the end she went peacefully, without pain, with me and her dad, at home. I couldnt have asked for more.

We survive. I am still here and I live my life. I will never be the person I was. I miss her everyday and the pain is still great But I am still here.

I hope you dont mind me posting on your thread. I dont know it will offer any help or make things worse. I have read your posts and wanted to try and say something.

Hulababy · 07/09/2009 15:48

I am so sorry you are having to go through this Riven. And also the others on the thread in similar situations, and thos ethat have experienced it.

Words can never be enough. You are in my thoughts.

TheDMshouldbeRivened · 07/09/2009 16:08

Thanks for that chegirl. It means a lot you could share that with me but so sad you went though it.

this bit struck a chord 'You will know that looking after a child like this is like being in a war zone. Long periods of boredom (for want of another word) doing the mundane caring, living etc and suddenly intense periods of the highest stress imaginable when you child becomes sick. I think it sets our adrenaline levels so high that our physiology changes.'

That sums up my life!
and this 'I felt like an alien as no one around me could possibly know what it was like. I still had to shop and take the kids to school and talk to other people. All the time in my head 'my DD is going to die'.'

Sometimes it doesn't seem possible that the world can continue turning. How can people do their seeminlgy trivial things when my dd is facing this. Luckily that feeling only comes when the anxiety is acute.
I also fret she wont be looked after properly in heaven till i get there

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chegirl · 07/09/2009 16:37

Riven I am glad that my post was ok. I wasnt sure.

You cannot preempt your grief. You cannot prepare for it so why try? I thought i could sort of get my self used to it but it didnt work and I just wasted time that was precious.

I only had to look after DD for two years and I honestly do not know how people manage to keep up that level of adrenaline, stress and strain for years. I guess thats a stupid thing to say but I hope you know what I mean. Because I have done it I know the toll it takes.

I believe that your brain and body go into survival mode when you lose someone so important. I do not remember huge chunks of my life whilst DD was so ill and after she died. There is a numbing cushion around you. There is also a weird sort of freedom you feel. A freedom from having to conform or live an ordinary life because how can you, why should you when your darling child has gone. I have become quite eccentric and dont give a toss about a lot of things.

The pain is so big. I could not tell you any different. There is also a huge gap left by the loss of a caring role. No other sort seems so important, even looking after your other kids because it is not life and death. For a long time I would get quite hyper if anyone around me got sick. It was like slipping back into my 'job' again.

Could you talk to someone who does not shy away from the things you need to discuss? Is there someone at the hospice? It helped me so much.

I know it seems cliched but it is really so important to look after yourself. To eat and sleep when you can, to do things that make you smile and relax you. I was never interested in alternative stuff before DD's illness. But I learned the value of nice smells, fresh bed linen, sunshine, massage etc.

Your DD wil be looked after beautifully. My DD will be there to watch over her. Forgive me for saying this but I do believe it and it has kept me going in the darkest times. I know she is safe and happy and well.

shabbapinkfrog · 07/09/2009 18:35

Beautiful post che - I also KNOW that my two lads will look out for her. xxxx

TheDMshouldbeRivened · 07/09/2009 19:20

well, hopefully they'll wait a bit and she wont go for some time. I have had words with her!

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shabbapinkfrog · 07/09/2009 19:28

you keep on having words with her my friend - thats what us Mums are for xxxxx

chegirl · 07/09/2009 19:49

You tell her Riven

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt · 07/09/2009 19:50

I'm so sorry you are all in this position Riven.

We lost ds when he was 15mo after a 7 month illness. At the start of the illness we believed everything was going to be ok, and it was, but then as the months passed things just seem to get worse and worse.

Eventually a decision was made to stop treatment and let him pass away in peace.

It was only when that final decision was made did I realise I had started the grieving process a while before. Intially I was grieving for the boy he once was and would no longer be, then grieving over his death.

I don't think there is a way to stop the grieving before you lose your child. However you can still make happy memories now which you will be able to look back at and smile about.

You mentioned in a previous post about what to do 'after'. I'm not sure if this is what you meant, but ds passed away at home in our arms and he stayed at home with us until he was buried. We couldn't face leaving him alone at funeral home where he didn't know anybody. If you would like more information about that side of 'after', or about how you cope when you have lost your child. Let me know and I will be happy to answer any questions.

Love to you all xxx

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Doobydoo · 07/09/2009 20:04

Ah Riven,I used to work for Children's Hospice Southwest when ds1 was a baby.They are fab and I know they will be there for you.If I won money a vast chunk would go to them.
I do not know if you can prepare ...the fear of the unknown isn't it...so many posts on here from people who have experienced the loss of a child/children.
My 1st child[daughter]died at 15 days old.It is a long road and you have to roll with it and take each minute,hour,day as it comes...a cliche but true.Enjoy the time with your daughter and family...we all perhaps have these fears but not all of us know it will be sooner[hope that makes sense]
Sorry for ramble but I have ds1 whiffling about making a scooter!
Riven,I couldn't not reply.Talk to CHSW too.

siblingrivalry · 07/09/2009 20:25

Hi Riven, I am forwarding this on behalf of Peachy.:

Riv, your love for your DD shines so much, as does that of your dh. Never doubt it; I honestly believe there is no disability so severe she woyuldn't know, and dd2 clearly does.

My cousn lost his son just before he turned 6; after years of almosts (like you he was told he'd die in first days and did not) he succumbed to a completely unexpected infection following a minor op. He had a heart condition.

I still don't know how they coped, and I won't pretend they didn't collapse somewhat: their marriage did (but they married somewhat unadvisedly). Now 5 years on they each have new lives (and children( but I know the gap is huge.

If you everwant someone to swear at, i'll g;adly be that person. And mourning before thedeath- yes thats it, when I worked for the cancer charity thatswhat our famillies did. They were told to just gowith it, not fight it. But I think you have to find your own way through, each situation isdifferent.

Hugssweetheart, you have my email. I shall nowvanish likea puff of smoke.

Clary · 07/09/2009 20:43

Oh my goodness Riven.

How horrible for you.

I remember you posting once about how you weren't sure what her CP would mean to you all - but that she is now "the centre of our world" which I found so moving.

I have no answers for you except that when someone dies too soon, you hold on to precious memories of things they and you did and said. So I guess if you know in advance, you can try to treasure up those memories still more.

But I am so for you all.

(oh some of the posts on this thread have just made me cry. Thank you chegirl and shabba especially for sharing yr stories. It seems so unfair.)

Clary · 07/09/2009 20:43

Oh my goodness Riven.

How horrible for you.

I remember you posting once about how you weren't sure what her CP would mean to you all - but that she is now "the centre of our world" which I found so moving.

I have no answers for you except that when someone dies too soon, you hold on to precious memories of things they and you did and said. So I guess if you know in advance, you can try to treasure up those memories still more.

But I am so for you all.

(oh some of the posts on this thread have just made me cry. Thank you chegirl and shabba especially for sharing yr stories. It seems so unfair.)

Salleroo · 07/09/2009 21:11

Riven so sorry to hear this. And what a lovely supportive thread.

I lost my dad to termial cancer in July. We had 3 years to grieve but I cant imagine what it must be like to lose a child. In the end you just cant take any more of seeing them in such pain. We were so happy and so sad when he eventually left.

However we chatted about everything he wanted his funeral to be and ensured he got it. His songs, his way. It was the 'best' funeral if that makes any sense and when I get really sad that's what I try to remember. Are there any songs dd loves?
We had dad at home and got out his fishing rod and hat, his favourite flowers, had his ipod on shuffle in the corner. There was much comment but they were his wishes. As for who comes, you cant really stop anyone coming to pay their respects but you can definately have a private (invite only) ceremony.

The family handprint sounds like a fantastic idea and just keep telling her you love her. She'll send you signs when she is gone. A beautiful day, a huge full moon. And all the other little children who went too soon will take excellent care of her till you meet her again.

It helps me to think Dad is back as he used to be, gallivanting around in heaven with his friends who went before him. Your DD will have the kind of life she unfortunately didn't get to have here on earth.

x

Julezboo · 08/09/2009 17:02

Hiya Riven,

I have no words for you just wanted to stop by and say I always follow your threads and you seem like a very wonderful mum to your DD xxx

So sorry you are all having to go through this x

MatNanPlus · 09/09/2009 00:41

Your in my thoughts Riven and family. I have no useful words to add to the sentiments so many have expressed but i remember our meeting with smiles.

alwayslookingforanswers · 09/09/2009 00:47

oh Riven only just seen this - can't believe I'd not seen it.

Nothing useful to add at all, but I have 1000 texts a month so you feel like sharing any more light hearted "swapping children" texts go right ahead - I'll reply as quick as I can (but I don't have predictive text so can be rather slow).

thumbwitch · 09/09/2009 01:03

Riven, I have nothing practical to add as I see someone has already mentioned a sleep apnoea monitor, but wanted to post to say how I am for you in your situation - when we were told my Mum had only weeks (at most) to live, having been previously unaware that she was even terminal, it was a horrible shock. When it turned out that it was actually only 8 days, I felt so bad that I hadn't spent more time with her in the hospital. We were all there on her last day, and sat with her through the night, and I feel so guilty still for sometimes wishing that she would just get on with it because the lingering on was dreadful for all of us, not just her. But she was in such pain, they kept putting the morphine up and up and she clung on for hours and hours. Finally I was in a similar position to chegirl, telling Mum it was ok to let go, she would be safe, etc.

You are already spending so much time and giving your DD the fullest life she can have - you have nothing to reproach yourself for and even if she does slip away in her sleep, be assured that it will be an easier way to go than attached to all sorts of breathing equipment and monitors, with constant morphine etc.

Bless you all - I can do no more than wish a quiet passing for your DD, safe in her home with her family around her - and that might happen in her sleep.

I hope this is more helpful than upsetting to read and sorry if it isn't.

snorris · 09/09/2009 07:28

Yet another in a similar situation . I had often thought about starting a similar thread on here.
Dd4 has a congenital heart condition and they have basically said there is nothing more they can do for her. I think I've accepted it (as much as you can with a thing like that), at the moment the thought is tucked away in a little box but every time she's ill that box opens and out comes the dread and fear again .

shabbapinkfrog · 09/09/2009 07:33

Morning Snorris - sending my love xxxx

FioFioFio · 10/09/2009 16:58

Riven, i just wanted you to know I am thinking of you. The other people are right, you and your dh provide her with a wonderful quality of life and she is loved beyond belief and that means alot. My late sister had CF and my Mum says she just used to try and live for today and just try to be as 'normal' as possible. It helped us in some way, though life is always like being on a knife edge. You will cope though riven, look how far you have already come. Please give your dd a hug for me xxxxxxx

I am so sorry to everyone else for their losses too x

pickyvic, my friends ds1 died from battens recently too. It is a cruel cruel illness

2shoes · 10/09/2009 18:34

Riven if you ever need some one to talk to add me on msn(sorry i lost all my contacts) [email protected]

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