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I blame myself for my DMs death and don’t think I can live with the guilt.

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PurplePenguin28 · 24/10/2024 02:59

I’m sorry in advance for the long post. I just feel so overwhelmed and lonely, I need to get it off my chest.

My mother passed away suddenly 5 months ago, she was 62 and was well up until an undiagnosed leg DVT traveled to her lung one day while she was in town.

She was out shopping and suddenly felt a pain in her chest and was breathless and lightheaded. She sat down on a bench and called me. Within 10 minutes I had met her and we went to A&E where they did tests and diagnosed a PE (pulmonary embolism). It was quite large and so a fast acting clot busting drug was advised, it was administered in A&E that evening and she was transferred to a ward in the early hours for observation with 24 hours strict bed rest due to bleed risk and to continue treatment with more blood thinners.

I phoned the ward mid morning for an update and was told that my mother was fine and to just come back over to the hospital for normal visiting time.

On arrival at 2pm we found my mother sat in the chair beside her bed, she hadn’t been in the bed at all and wasn’t being monitored. She was being sick and was drowsy. We questioned straight away and were told that the doctor had said that she should be mobile and that they had no concerns. We asked to speak to a doctor and were told they would be around to speak to us soon. Hours passed, we kept asking and waiting to see a doctor, but nurses kept saying everything was fine and the doctor would see us soon. Afternoon visiting ended at 4pm, we stayed until nearly 5pm hoping to see the doctor but were firmly told to leave and come back at 6pm for evening visiting, so not wanting to upset staff and be removed we went for a coffee and waited in the hospital foyer until 6pm.

On arriving back on the ward I found my mother’s condition was still very poor. We hadn’t been able to hold a conversation with her since arriving at 2pm, she had become barely conscious and she still hadn’t been seen by a doctor. Nurses still maintained that she was fine and they had no concerns despite family continuing to ask for help and to see a doctor.

My mother went into a self induced coma around 9pm that evening and passed away. A doctor finally arrived after she had a seizure and an emergency call was made, but it was too late. A CT scan showed that she had bleeding in her brain which had caused irreversible damage.

I feel so responsible for what happened. My mother was so strong and always stood up for the underdog and for what was right. She was a thoughtful and caring mother who did so much for me, she was my best friend, but the one time she needed me to stand up for her I failed. We put her into bed that afternoon and put her on the monitoring system, which was flagging issues, but that didn’t matter either. The staff just shut off alarms and said she was fine. I feel like I allowed them to gaslight me. I didn’t push hard enough, I didn’t fight and cause a fuss for fear of being thrown out and now my mother is gone. I don’t know how to go on living with what happened.

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HappiestSleeping · 24/10/2024 03:08

Oh wow. I'm sorry for your loss. You should definitely not feel responsible for this, but from the sound of it, the hospital could have done things very differently. It's very difficult when you are there to know how much to push, however one does assume that, being in hospital, the necessary care is being delivered. It's an awful situation, but I really don't think you should be blaming yourself.

wizzler · 24/10/2024 03:12

So sorry you lost your DM.

It sounds from your post that you did everything you could. You really can't blame yourself. It sounds as though the hospital staff could have done things differently though. Have you shared your experience with PALS?

It's very hard but try to concentrate on what a wonderful relationship you had with her

Bunnyhair · 24/10/2024 03:15

This is so sad and unfair and infuriating. None of it was your fault. Sometimes feeling guilty is psychologically easier to bear than the feeling of utter helplessness and powerlessness when something like this happens. But it was not your fault. See if you can turn you anger outwards, where it belongs, and make a PALS complaint when you feel strong enough.

i am so, so sorry for the loss of your lovely mum. 💐

HerbalHotpants · 24/10/2024 03:16

I'm so sorry.

You did stand up for her and you did ask questions. It's not your fault if the staff weren't responsive, and it's not your fault they wouldn't call a doctor in. They are the ones who were trained. Flowers

username1589 · 24/10/2024 03:18

I'm sorry for your loss 💐

You can make a complaint about the way your mother was treated.

You can also contact Cruse for bereavement counselling.

I've carefully read your post and you did everything you could under the circumstances. Rest assured you did the best for your mother.

You can also contact the Samaritans, sometimes it really helps to talk.

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misspositivepants · 24/10/2024 03:29

I am so so sorry for your loss.

it isn’t your fault. I had a not to dissimilar experience when my dad passed away, missed opportunities by medical staff and me feeling I didn’t effectively advocate enough him. I made a complaint to PALS but it doesn’t bring them back, but I hoped no one else would go through the same.

we put so much trust in medical professionals and rightly so, that their job they sound like they performed inadequately.

5 months is such a small timeframe when it comes to grief. It hits me like a tonne of bricks some days 4 years later.

I’d Suggest some counselling, and making a complaint as way for you to be able to work through this.

sending you light, and a reminder it wasn’t your fault x

PrincessOfPreschool · 24/10/2024 03:32

So sorry for the loss of your mother. She was so young and she spunds wonderful. Grief can do funny things to your mind, and although it's not logical to blame yourself, it probably feels natural. You tried, and your family tried, but no one was listening. No one was going to listen - and it may have caused your mum more stress if a big fuss had been made. I'm assuming there just wasn't a doctor so only an actual obvious emergency would have brought one, no amount of arguing. I think if you can talk through the notes with a nurse it may help to see where the hospital made mistakes, and where nothing would have made any difference, so that you can let yourself have some peace on it. Maybe PALs can organise that. They, and your GP, would be a good place to start as feeling like this will affect your mental health.

MiddleagedBeachbum · 24/10/2024 03:52

Have you complained? That’s awful, I’m so sorry, I’d use your feelings of guilt, and try and turn them into getting justice for your mother and ensuring no one else is treated that way again by making sure there’s a full investigation and people are accountable for their actions

Ihopeithinkiknow · 24/10/2024 04:19

I'm so so sorry for your loss.

I was reading this expecting to see how you feel guilty because you dismissed your mum and told her it was nothing to worry about and that's where your feelings were coming from, it looks like the opposite is true and you did everything you absolutely could to help your lovely mum but you were fobbed off by the people who should have been the ones to care for your mum.

I know now you are going over everything in your head and thinking that you should have said this or said that and because you didn't you blame yourself. Please be kind to yourself and when you are feeling a bit stronger you should absolutely put a complaint in because it sounds like your mum was completely failed in what should have been the best place for her.

I don't know you or your mum but I do know that she knew you did everything you could and got to her straight away after she called you and I hope that brings you some comfort.

Think I'm just waffling now lol but after losing my son 2 years ago I went through a lot of what ifs and buts and I know just how awful that feeling is. Sending you love x

AlwaysFreezing · 24/10/2024 05:53

I had something very similar happen with my mum (also early 60s) in a hospice. The feelings of guilt were enormous.

For a long time, I couldn't get off to sleep as it all ran through my head again and again. I'd feel like I couldn't breathe. Panic would set in.

In the end, I got some counselling as I knew I couldn't continue like this. It is still difficult to even think about, I'll be honest. But, it's no longer my over riding image in my head, ifs no longer the last thing I think about at night and I no longer feel any where near as guilty as I did (every now and again, I do get flashes of that guilt, but it's fleeting and my rational thinking takes over).

This was not your fault. Your mum was incredibly unfortunate to have that clot, and it sounds like the hospital didn't do everything they could have. It's so difficult to advocate for someone when your on an institutions turf. Hospitals run to their own time and ways. They are the gatekeepers of access to doctors and medicines and scans. There is very little you can do to disrupt the rhythm.

Be kind to yourself. It sounds like you did advocate and did try, but a set of circumstances conspired against you, despite your best efforts. We can't control everything.

Focus on the good things, the happy memories. Tell us a couple?

Mammma91 · 24/10/2024 06:02

Wow. So sad for your lovely mum, she should’ve been treated better, but her death is not your fault op. You answered the phone, made your way to your mum, took her to hospital and fought her corner. You done what you could, for that I’m sure she would be forever grateful. Take care of yourself op and take it easy, grief comes and goes in big waves. Remember your mum for who she was and the relationship you both shared together.

LittleRedY0shi · 24/10/2024 06:13

You didn't fail her at all, the hospital did. Even if your actions had been different, the outcome sadly wouldn't have been. The nurses were convinced that there was no problem and that they knew better than you, so making more of a fuss wouldn't have given them a sudden epiphany - all it would have done is, as you said, lead to them throwing you out. You couldn't have changed anything.

I know your mother wasn't aware of how things were unfolding but given that you described her as caring and thoughtful, I have absolutely no doubt that she wouldn't see you as to blame for this - she would recognise the powerless situation the hospital had sadly put you in, just as all of us reading the thread do.

FergusSingsTheBIues · 24/10/2024 06:16

I feel exactly like you OP. Feel like I should have guessed it was heart related in our case. Im sorry.

Anonymousbosch39 · 24/10/2024 06:24

This sounds awful for you, I'm just writing to acknowledge that I read your post and I can only imagine how painful this all must be for you.
All above posters have said exactly what I think.
Be kind to yourself, you trusted the professionals and they let you down badly. Channel any feelings of anger into making a complaint. X

MrGruber · 24/10/2024 06:24

Sickened for you feeling you might have any blame at all- you tried and tried , your Mum was still far too young FlowersFlowers

Your experiences will , unbelievably , echo with many .... not only in the current crisis but I think patients have always been been strongly "managed" ; certainly I have found it a very regular experience to meet such shocking obstacles when trying to help loved ones access health care

You did everything AMAZINGLY right , can"t emphasise that enough

Hoping you find help and some peace in your journey

FrenchandSaunders · 24/10/2024 06:26

Oh wow that’s awful OP. Certainly not your fault though, it sounds like you did all you could. Have you complained?

its a tricky environment in a hospital and very difficult to be ‘pushy’.

Hazeby · 24/10/2024 06:27

It’s perfectly reasonable to put your trust i medical staff - they are educated and experienced and we are rightly entitled to expect them to do their jobs properly. How were you to know they weren’t?

MrGruber · 24/10/2024 06:31

"Even if your actions had been different, the outcome sadly wouldn't have been. The nurses were convinced that there was no problem and that they knew better than you, so making more of a fuss wouldn't have given them a sudden epiphany - all it would have done is, as you said, lead to them throwing you out. You couldn't have changed anything". @LittleRedY0shi amazing post

PermanentTemporary · 24/10/2024 06:32

I'm so sorry for your loss Flowers

Please read @Bunnyhair's post. I'm sorry you are feeling so distraught. Please do consider therapy. You are bearing a burden alone that is absolutely not your fault and you deserve help.

I don't want to bang on about my experience but I do know what you mean. My husband was extremely ill (mental illness), we made it to an urgent appointment, I could not get through to them how different my husband was to normal, they assessed him as 'no risk' and he was dead within 3 hours. I will never forget that feeling of trying to communicate through what seemed to be a glass wall between me and the staff. It took years of therapy for me to be able to live with it all.

Yes I think you should make a complaint. But that's not your responsibility either. Please be kind to yourself. I'm certain your mother would think the truth- that you did absolutely everything you could for her.

Edithcantaloupe · 24/10/2024 06:35

That’s certainly not your fault. I have been in the position of trying to get medical staff to listen and it can be impossible.

Do put a complaint in via PALS. The ward sounds seriously understaffed and there is something the hospital can do about that.

i am so sorry for your loss

Franhollywood · 24/10/2024 06:38

I’m so sorry you and your dear mum went through this OP. Your love for her shines through and you are clearly a devoted daughter who did the absolute best you could.

I know this because similar happened to me, albeit different circumstances/condition. As others have said, I’d really recommend counselling to work through this. I won’t promise it is a cure for how you feel, but it helps reframe what happened. There is so much we can’t control OP and guilt is part of grief. I promise it won’t always feel like this. Sending much love.

Doingmybest12 · 24/10/2024 06:42

She was so young, what a shock and horrific situation. Its horrible to feel like you've got the least knowledge and experience , wondering if you are asking the right questions and pushing about the right things. Other than going amd finding a Dr and dragging them to the ward, what else could you do and you couldn't do that. Mistakes were made but these aren't your mistakes. It will take time to get your head around what happened and come to terns with your loss.

Canalboat · 24/10/2024 06:48

I’m so sorry for your loss and the traumatic nature of it. Guilt is a common and normal response to grief even though there is nothing to feel guilty about.

I feel that if your lovely mum was here she’d say ‘it wasn’t your fault’. Do you think she might say that? She would not want you to be in such pain.

I agree with pp that counselling could be useful to you and complaining if you can. Direct your energies towards making sure the professionals look at learning from this.

Canalboat · 24/10/2024 06:52

Also OP I think you should maybe speak to your own GP if you are feeling so awful. I think Cruse may have a help line also. I don’t think you should delay speaking to someone about how you are feeling.

Ratfinkstinkypink · 24/10/2024 07:02

I am so sorry. Your mum's death was not your fault you did everything you could for her, you listened to what the experts are saying and you repeatedly raised your concerns. It was the staff who didn't listen to you. I don't think your mum would lay any of the blame at your feet. I experienced something very similar with DH and felt the guilt you are feeling but it wasn't us, our loved ones were failed by the very professionals we are supposed to be able to trust. Talking therapy (and time) has helped me, I hope it could help you too Flowers