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worried about what bil lets 9yo son watch

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Moomin · 06/02/2005 19:11

my brother in law is quite eccentric - very very clever and a frustrated artist but few social skills. he married an indian girl 9 years ago and they came to live over here and have had 2 sons. i only mention that she is indian because she was very naive and innocent when she first came over and she still has some difficulty seeing that her husband's behaviour and the decisions he makes about their kids can sometimes seem a bit weird and so doesn't intervene much.

their ds1, our nephew, is 9 and is an extremely intelligent and articulate boy. he's always seemed to have an old head on his shoulders in many ways amd bil does converse with him as you would an adult. this isn't weird as such, although i think he comes across as a bit arrogant at school and impatient with other kids when they don't catch on as quickly as him.

bil thinks he shouldn't be shielded from the realties of life and lets him watch tv that is far too old for him at times. e.g. he let him watch gladiator when he was 6/7 which me and mil were both a bit shocked at but didn't feel we could say a lot. i've now found out that he has been allowed to watch the auchwitz (sp?) documentary on bbc2 for the last few weeks and this is worrying me. just because the boy seems ok with it now bil doesn't see anything wrong with it. but i think seeing atrocities like this when you're so emotionally under-developed might have a lasting effect on him - either cause anxieties later or de-sensitise him to killing/inhumanity. i'm all for history being explored with him, but surely this is a bit ott? am i overreacting?

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SofiaAmes · 07/02/2005 20:28

moomin, I agree with you 100% that it's inappropriate viewing for a 9 year old. However, I agree with morningpaper that perhaps confronting your bil about it may not achieve anything positive (especially considering the background that you have privately related to me). Your bil may not consider your opinion anything but meddling (no matter how correct you actually are) and react in an opposite extreme, encouraging his son to watch even more inappropriate things. It's a terrible situation and I'm not sure what the right answer is. Perhaps your parents in law might be able to help if the conversation comes from them rather than from you or your dh?

Kitty23 · 07/02/2005 21:13

Right, i don't want to offend anybody....but Moomin why do you think you or your DH should tell your BIL how to bring up his son? I understand you are concerned but I don't know if it is worth bringing it up and risk upsetting/offending your bil. We all need to know about the holocaust, and your nephew probably doesn't realise the hugeness of it but he will as he grows up. I learnt about it at school but i don't think it really kicked in how awful it was until i visited anne frank's old house. Then it just hit me. I wouldn't say i was desensitised to it before then, or thought it was a good thing, i just didn't have the emotional capability to understand it.
Also, there are much worse things that a 9 year old could be doing that i would definitely be more shocked by, like all those computer games where you go around killing people. Some of those are just shocking. (I made DH take one back cos it disturbed me so much!)

Just my opinion of course, have you spoken to your nephew about it at all and how he feels about it?

Moomin · 07/02/2005 21:46

if you read the posts you'll see that we're not actually telling bil how to raise his son. if we were doing that we'd suggest the 2 boys weren't the ones that answer the phone at 10pm on week nights or suggest that bil actually takes them outdoors once in a while at weekends while his wife is at work, instead of working out with his weights while they watch tv, run round like lunatics and break windows (just last month)!

knowing bil like i do, i honestly don't even think he's considered that it might be a problem at all. we're also pretty sure he'd rather hear it from dh than from his parents, who are more likely to be viewed as offering opinions that are old-fashioned/irrelevant.

the only other time i 'stuck my oar in' was that i commented that they might ask their health visitor why their ds2 didn't have a vocabulary to speak of, aged 3 and seemed to have a speech impediment. mil and pil "hadn't liked to say anything", sil who speaks in her native tongue at home hadn't really noticed and bil was oblivious. i did mention it in a way which didn't offend (perhaps some people are envisaging that me and dh are like a cross between sally webster and tommy harris and will go in all guns blazing!) and they were grateful that i'd cared enough to notice and act (their ds2 now sees a speech therapist).

this incident (the tv watching) is just one thing that played on my mind a bit and i just wondered if i was overreacting. many of the posts here seem to think not, so i'll leave it to dh to ask bil a bit more about it. end of!

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Skribble · 08/02/2005 11:03

Moomin I think people have got the impression that this thread is about the best way to educate a 9yr old about the holocaust. That wasn't the point was it.

I think it really comes down to your relationship with BIL. He is probably oblivious to what is being watched. As I said my BIL had no idea what was approprate for kids. ( Easier to deal with because it ws my kids).

If it can be brought up in conversation rather than "I thought I better phone and tell you It's not right". Depends what kind of conversations DH and BIL have anyway. Will he take these comments in or will he be deeply offended and never speak to you again.

What is SIL take on the whole thing does she let them up late to watch these kind of things? I'm guessing it will be easier to approach BIL than SIL.

Moomin · 08/02/2005 15:00

ain't that the truth! sil and don't really speak these days after a number of stupendously petty things she has said or done which demonstrate she feels jealous about my arrival in the family (5yrs ago) and the fact we had a dd and she wanted one - yes it's that silly! so, no, we wouldn't dream of saying anything to her...
dh still hasn't spoken to his brother about it but when i asked him about it last night dh said he'd just ask him what were his reasons behind allowing his ds watch the programme. at this stage, as i said before, it's after the fact, so all discussions will centre on now is 'what will ds get out of it' type things. dh isn't preachy and bil, with his lack of social skills and graces is the last person who would actually take offence. he'll probably find it amusing. dh thinks it might be part of his brother's experiment to raise his kids in a very non-conventional way!

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Moomin · 08/02/2005 15:04

btw, sil has had a bit of a culture shock since coming to england (even tho it's now 9 years ago) and has probably thought up to now that bil is a 'typical' english bloke - he isn't!!. she and bil have quite a few problems with controlling them but she rarely intervenes, except when she wants to contradict bil when they fall out!

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morningpaper · 08/02/2005 17:47

Moomin you should like you just don't really LIKE your sister and brother in law.

Moomin · 08/02/2005 18:46

i like my bil actually. for all his eccentricities and the differences we have in a lot of the ways we live our lives, i do get on with him well and when we spend time together it's always interesting. dh adores him.
sil is another issue. i liked her well enough to start with but she went out of her way to make me feel uncomfortable, which i now realise was her feeling jealous as she's quite insecure, i guess. she always blew hot and cold with me and i never knew how she was going to behave towards me in any given situation. this culminated in a big fall-out 2 christmasses ago where she tried to put a stop to a surprise we were organising for mil as a present, out of spite. yes, i realise i should rise above it and be bigger that it all, but since then i've thought that life's a bit short to waste on people like her. if she wants to be friends then fine, but i know how i behave towards my friends and it's not like that. we're civil when we meet but don't spend any time with one another. the rest of the family are ok with it, not least dh and bil, who totally understands how she can be (and knows how stubborn i can be). speak as you find...

you sound like you're having a bit of a downer on me morning paper..?

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morningpaper · 08/02/2005 19:28

Sorry Moomin I don't mean to sound like I'm having a downer on you. It's just that what started as a thread about one thing your s/bil was doing turned into rather a lot of things you don't approve of! It sounded like it wasn't really this one thing that was the problem.

Moomin · 08/02/2005 19:37

no, not really. i don't spend a lot of time tutting and rolling my eyes about bil and sil, even tho it might seem like that from this thread! dh and i just talk about things when they come up and we just laugh about it a lot of the time, e.g. when the 4 yo answers the phone at gone 10pm, etc. it's not what we'd do with dd but what can you do? they're still lovely boys and we like spending time with them.

yes, i probably have revealed more than i was wishing to when i first started this thread, but there you go. all families have their problems and little quirks... it's just the tv thing upset me a bit really. i've just worked with kids who have had sleep problems and anxiety attacks, only to find out later that they've been staying up late to watch horror films and unsuitable programmes like that . i didn't want our nephew to be worried or affacted in a way that could have been avoided, that's all

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DecafArabica · 08/02/2005 20:02

Someone said earlier 'I wouldn't have a problem with it. I'm sure that Jewish families don't avoid mentioning the holocaust until their children are 'emotionally mature enough' to accept it...'

Unfortunately in my case that was so trueand it led, I am sure, to lasting emotional damage. I was made to watch a horrific slide-show and newsreel of holocaust atrocities at the age of just 9as part of an education session organised by my cousin's Jewish school in Leeds, which I was temporarily attending due to a family funeral in the area. I am sure that the teachers who organised this meant well (although I would call it child abuse myself) butperhaps because it was also a scary, insecure time for me anyway, with this funeral going on and not staying in my own homeit really, really f*cked me up and I suffered horrendous nightmares and emotional problems from then on until my 20s. Yet nobody linked this with what I had been forced to see at a time when I simply wasn't emotionally mature enough to cope with it.

Sorry to rant on, but to expose 9 year-old children to these kinds of images is, IMO, simply not appropriate; your nephew's welfare should come first and IMO your bil needs to be educated about the long-term effects of violent true-life imagery on impressionable young minds.

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