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speech development

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nutcracker · 23/12/2003 20:41

4 yr old daughter can't pronounce the letter L. If it is at the beginning of a word she pronounces it as a Y, so look would be yook and if it's in the middle of a word then she misses it out completely, so please would sound like peas. Is this normal ? A health visitor did pick up on it when she was 2 but later dissmissed it. I didn't used to notice it that much until I noticed that some people couldn't understand her. None of her teachers at nursery have mentioned it though so i'm not sure if i should be concerned or not.

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Jimjambells · 24/12/2003 08:17

I have a speech sound chart somewhere. But lots of seech sounds aren't established until about 6 or 7 so I'm sure its normal (l is quite a difficult one).

DS1's SALT is meant to be bringing me a speech sound order of development chart on Saturday so ifI haven't dug out the other one by then I can look it up then. She may forget though as this is for ds2 (not her patient) not ds1. If she does I'll dig out the chart.

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nutcracker · 24/12/2003 11:44

JJB- Thanx for that, I think i'm a bit paranoid about it brcause dd1 speech was always really clear and I think I expected dd2 to be the same.

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Davrosthesnowman · 24/12/2003 12:40

I've got a list somewhere but can't lay my hands on it. This website might be of interest
chatterbuddies

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nutcracker · 24/12/2003 15:02

Thanx DTS, that web site looks interseting i'll have to have a proper look later

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Evita · 28/12/2003 16:28

Blimey, Davrosthesnowman, I just checked out that link and it says people outside the family should be able to understand 25% of what a 1 year old says!!! I don't think I can even follow 5% of what my 14 month old says.

nutcracker, my friend's little girl couldn't say y for AGES and replaced it with an l. So she'd say 'les' for yes and 'lellow' for yellow. But now she's fine at age 5.

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nutcracker · 28/12/2003 16:31

EVITA - I thought that was a bit weird too. My youngest is 1 and he doesn't say anyhting yet ???
I'm assuming that noone else has noticed as they've never said.

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Jimjams · 28/12/2003 16:33

My 2 year old doesn't say anything.

popsycal · 28/12/2003 16:35

the expectations for a one year old - 25% per cent of what he says should be understood outside the family...
ok try this.....do you understand what the foloowing mean;:
glogleeoglogleeeeoglooooogllleeeeeoooooooo
baboorah
dikdik
geese

1 - fimbles
2 - grandma
3 - biscuit
4 - juice
hmmmmm

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nutcracker · 28/12/2003 16:36

I thought that web site was good but as it was american wouldn't the c.ds be in an american accent ???? Would it still work then ???

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Davrosthesnowman · 28/12/2003 19:06

Oooer, sorry if the website isn't as good as it looked on first glance, I should have checked it out properly. I'd saved it on favourites ages ago but haven't needed it so far! Maybe soon though

popsycal · 28/12/2003 19:34

it is good...but i thikn that for a 1 year old it is a little.....aspirational!

Evita · 28/12/2003 21:08

Yes, and the other thing I wondered about was that it says a 1 year old can name their parents. My daughter can say an ecstatic 'da!' sound and a low 'mommm' sound but never addresses them to us. And then what it said about the syllables was a bit odd too as it said no g or k until over 18 months but one of my daughter's 'words' is 'cooka' for cooker. Though she uses it for all sorts of other things too and just says it because she likes the sound of it.

Maybe they're cleverer in the States ...

popsycal, I think we should have a deciphering quiz to see who can understand our kids outside the immediate family. So here goes, what do you think this means?

  1. haaaaa (with outstretched hand gesture)
  2. dudum
  3. ooser
popsycal · 28/12/2003 21:10

evita i like this!!!
i have no clue what your dd is saying!!
but that is the point i guess!!!
daaaaaaaaaaaaaaan for my ds means down, uncle dan, door, done etc etc
i guess you have to know the context - this is a very importnat factor in early speech!!!
oooh it is also my name when dh is shouting and ds tries to copy!!!

popsycal · 28/12/2003 21:10

evita - 2 has to be dummy??

Demented · 28/12/2003 21:14

Davros, I've just looked at your link, I thought it was really helpful. The 25% bit I just took to mean that if your 12 month old has four words then someone outside the family would probably only understand one of them. It has helped me place my DS2's speech as totally normal, although I think it is outstanding (firstly because I am his Mummy and secondly because my DS1 had a speech delay) .

nutcracker my nearly five year old occasionally mispronounces words, he is the one who had the speech delay but due to this has seen a SALT who at the last check (I think at around four) didn't see it as a problem that he mispronounced the odd word (the only one I can think of right now was 'tuddle' instead of 'cuddle'.

Evita · 28/12/2003 21:15

nope

popsycal · 28/12/2003 21:16

demented - what you have said about the 25% thing makes more sense!!!
i compare my ds to the little girl at the childnminders who is 3 months older than him who is taling in short sentences,,,,she is 19 motnhs....

Demented · 28/12/2003 21:17

Both my DS1 & 2's first words were "Daddy", it took DS1 until he was over two to say "Mummy" and DS2 (almost 20 months) said it last week.

Demented · 28/12/2003 21:21

I could be totally wrong popsycal .

My DS2 has started to put words together and is driving us mad just now by saying "Mummy" I say "Yes", he says "there's the light" (sort of runs it all together) pointing at the same time, I show interest "oh yes what a cleaver boy" etc, etc, two seconds later "Mummy", me "yes", DS2 "there's the light", arrrrgh this went on for an hour this afternoon.

Evita · 28/12/2003 21:22

Yes, Demented's take on the 25% makes more sense. Well:

  1. when something's hot
  2. poo
  3. trousers
popsycal · 28/12/2003 21:26

what about ds's recent fave-
gogleeeogleeeogleeeogleeeee
he is soo sincere abtou it too,,,not sure myself - any guesess??

Paula71 · 28/12/2003 23:49

I had put a message on the multiple births section about my ds twins (who are 2 tomorrow and going to Deep Sea World for a birthday treat!)

Although they have their "twin talk" together their speech isn't as clear to others and I was looking for ways to encourage their speech. Our health visitor is going to check them again in a few months as I mentioned I was worried about it but she seems to think that, by then, they will be fine! God, this mummy angst is terrible!

Evita · 29/12/2003 11:01

popsycal, I have a feeling that it might mean something like Fimbles, following on from your last post? What do you think 'gook' means?

popsycal · 29/12/2003 15:19

oh god - sorry
meant to say bleoblbeobleobleobleo
very similar....

Davrosthesnowman · 29/12/2003 21:27

Ho ho, I've always thought that kids say "dada" before "mama" as D is before M in the alphabet