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Art Prints vs Original Drawing - Pricing

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JulietMadeChutney · 16/01/2021 22:40

I have just sold a few (limited edition) prints of one of my charcoal drawings (just to friends/facebook friends - so possibly just pity-purchases...) Sold about 4 in 2 hours for £15 each. I am of course delighted. Covers costs and probably pays me c£10 an hour. (No way does it cover any start up costs but am still happy as those really are start up costs of a hobby). I may yet sell a few more if I shove it on Etsy.

So anyway, one of my friends has asked how much for the original. Arghhh. Help.

No problem selling it to her but just got no idea how to pitch the price. So if the prints are £15/£20 how much should I sell the original for? Crappy photo attached (decent scan on the computer in the office and CBA to get it.)

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JulietMadeChutney · 27/01/2021 20:34

Etsy shop created! Haven't done any marketing/promotions yet - but am at least making a start. Need to get some more photos for each listing yet - but am happy I have at least got things moving. If anyone wants to see (particularly @SimplyRadishing & @CallipygousElephant)
link is here: jomccallionart.etsy.com

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Unescorted · 27/01/2021 20:42

hollow when you buy the original you don't buy the image copywrite if the artist is still living unless they specifically buy the image copywrite. Also if the original is sold on and the artist is still living they normally get a percentage of the resale price.

Megmargs · 27/01/2021 21:18

The boxing gloves in particular are brilliant, I can really feel the texture of them! You are very talented 😊

JulietMadeChutney · 31/01/2021 20:13

So, another quick update...this afternoon I just about completed my first paid commission. A dog-portrait in pastels for a friend. I umm-ed and ahh-ed about doing it as I didn't want the pressure of it being a commission to take away the enjoyment of drawing (which is kind of therapy for me).

Anyway, I thought I may as well give it a go. And I loved doing it. I think I am normally such a "do-er". A completer-finisher - so it actually added a wonderful purpose to my art.

And voila. Results attached. I need to add whiskers - but I am just going to wait a couple of days to see if there is anything else I need to tweak before I do them (they are easily buggered up if you need to add anything on afterwards - hence leave the whisker to last, last, last).

Any opinions welcome. Is it good enough to be paid for?

And do you think I can call myself an artist now? Don't think of myself as one. Still wavering between being amazed at what I can produce and being very lacking in confidence...

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Megmargs · 01/02/2021 12:31

I think it’s great! I’d maybe add a bit more vibrancy to the red as the bandana really catches the sun in the original photo, but in life it may be more true to colour than the image we see so use your judgement!

I think you can call yourself an artist whenever you like to be honest, and if people are willing to pay for things then they are clearly worth paying for! I understand how you’re feeling though, I’ve done some commissions and worried terribly that they weren’t good enough but my customers were always happy, and people I don’t know personally, so clearly I was worrying for nothing. We are our own worst enemies, keep going with it because you are talented and you are only going to keep getting better 😊

LunaHeather · 03/02/2021 23:15

These are marvellous, so glad you are doing well with them.

How many hours would you have spent on the hare, do you think? Wouldn't that factor into price?

LunaHeather · 03/02/2021 23:15

And of course you are an artist!

RaininSummer · 03/02/2021 23:22

You are very talented.

JulietMadeChutney · 05/02/2021 20:53

@LunaHeather

These are marvellous, so glad you are doing well with them.

How many hours would you have spent on the hare, do you think? Wouldn't that factor into price?

The Hare probably took 3 hours - but I had done a few quicker sketches first so probably 4 hours all in.

The dog (final copy attached) was more like 5/6 hours - but the colour definitely adds to the time it takes.

I really enjoy both though (the colour pastels and the charcoal) - am definitely more confident in the charcoal... think these boxing gloves are one of my favourite..

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JulietMadeChutney · 05/02/2021 20:54

Oh and already working on my next dog commission..

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iklboo · 05/02/2021 20:56

Oh gracious you are SOOOOO good!

postcardfromme · 05/02/2021 20:57

You are amazing! Please let me know if you set up on Etsy!

JulietMadeChutney · 05/02/2021 21:14

@postcardfromme

You are amazing! Please let me know if you set up on Etsy!
Thank you all.

Etsy shop wise - I am. jomccallionart.etsy.com/ Not doing me much good so far Grin watches tumbleweed bounce past

Was all quite excited when I set it up....and since then a bit deflated.

It is tough on there. Am getting views (not many) and some favouriting but no sales yet. I have read up a bit about it and realised I am just such a tiny, tiny fish in a massive ocean. it seems to be a lot about algorithms and what not. And needing to promote your Etsy shop on social media etc. And tags, and numbers of photos and all kinds of other stuff. You also seem to need to ne one of those annoying people like Forever-Living bods constantly harping on at friends. Nope.

DD has set me up an Instagram shop (currently not public) ditto Facebook shop (not public). I may get round to sorting them and promoting it a bit more in the future but haven't got the bandwith at the moment. And it will be unlikely to ever pay the mortgage...but at least it would be good to cover the art cost (£2 a sheet of paper for some of it!!!!)

Can just about feed everyone, nag them to get some exercise, go to work (in a school) and get a bit of downtime to draw. Faffing around setting up Insta shops and promoting stuff if nowhere on my priority lists.....

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LunaHeather · 05/02/2021 21:46

OP the hares on etsy are even better. And I love the ballet shoes.

I've favourited your shop. I don't pretend to know about art as a business but I wish you all the best. You must be so naturally talented to learn from YouTube.

When things open, I would definitely look at local places selling any prints.

There was an original painting of the pond near Hampstead Heath, which was sold in a church hall exhibition near me - outer London - for £300. My sister commented that it looked like my first blobby impressionist painting attempt. 😂 It actually did - I would have kept it if I thought anyone would pay that for it!

pronxcessxo · 05/02/2021 22:01

try depop as well as etsy! love the drawings btw Smile

Plussizejumpsuit · 05/02/2021 22:29

I'm an artist and work for museums and galleries. A standard day rate for an artist I'd £150 to £ 250. So think about how much time went into making it including development. Obviously art is about so much more than just time spent but this should give an indication. Really it is about what people are prepared to apt and market value. But early in your career looking at time spent and what similar things go for is helpful.

Also if you're maintaining the right to sell prints and make money from this it makes it a bit easier to sell it for a bit less. As you still can make money from the work you put in to making the drawing.

Its up to you what you sell if for but £100 to £150 is fairly low. Although not super cheap. I definitely wouldn't go any lower.

LunaHeather · 05/02/2021 23:17

Plus I'd be really interested to know more about the rights situation.

If you have any suggestions for sources of information, I'd be interested. Thank you.

JulietMadeChutney · 08/02/2021 19:28

@LunaHeather

OP the hares on etsy are even better. And I love the ballet shoes.

I've favourited your shop. I don't pretend to know about art as a business but I wish you all the best. You must be so naturally talented to learn from YouTube.

When things open, I would definitely look at local places selling any prints.

There was an original painting of the pond near Hampstead Heath, which was sold in a church hall exhibition near me - outer London - for £300. My sister commented that it looked like my first blobby impressionist painting attempt. 😂 It actually did - I would have kept it if I thought anyone would pay that for it!

Thank you Luna, really appreciated. Not much action on Etsy but I am not too bothered at the moment. I will try and do some more promoting stuff at some point (possibly) but I am still mostly drawing for the pure pleasure of it - it is very much therapy in these rather dismal days.

I think I am still finding my style too. Have found another hare to draw and did this one in about 15 minutes. I love it - but not sure it is the sort of thing that would sell as it is so loose and sketchy. And quite different from the boots/first hare - which I also love for the level of detail.

I have also started playing around in my mind with the fact our newly decorated sitting room and (OK 3 years ago) bedroom desperately needs some pictures on the walls. So maybe I should draw something for them. I may well concentrate on that rather than anything else at the moment. At least I can use colours I need/want to suit the decor Grin. I drew the multicoloured hares because of that actually - the blue one was to go in our bedroom. It still might. But in needs other additions - we have a large-ish room so one lonely hare on the wall may look a bit mournful.....

And when this pesky lockdown ends I live in a town with no greengrocers or bank but about 4 art galleries, 4 interior design/gift shops and numerous cafes - so I may think about touting mounted pictures to them as well.

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LunaHeather · 08/02/2021 20:11

Juliet - 15 mins, I'm in awe!

I'm glad you live in such a place, reckon you're on to a winner there.

You're self taught? I was bloody dire at art in school. You must have been better than you think?

JulietMadeChutney · 26/02/2021 10:23

I just thought I'd pop back with a quick update. Thanks in part to the encouragement on this thread I have now made about £1200 revenue over 6 weeks. The majority of that has been though sales of prints - though I have done 4 commissions and have another 2 lined up...

It may not pay the mortgage (as obviously the £1200 is not all profit) but I am stunned and delighted.

I may have faffed around and delayed the Etsy shop without your encouragement. So thank you all Flowers

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LunaHeather · 26/02/2021 11:05

Oh Juliet, that's great!

I don't know how much it costs to get a card printed etc but if I could make that money doing something I enjoyed, wow!

I'm so pleased for you. With Easter coming, the hares should be a big deal yes? Anyway, yay! 👏🥂 Do keep us posted, I would love to hear how you are doing. How did you get the commissions?

Lexilooo · 26/02/2021 11:43

Well done so far, sounds as though you are off to a flying start. I do think you need to increase your prices though.

My husband is an artist so I know what goes into producing giclee prints. You need to account for your time as well as the cost of printing, take into account scanning, signing, producing certificate of authenticity, administering the limited editions, packing, etc etc.

Likewise your originals are a bit cheap. Allow at least £10 an hour plus materials and expenses.

You need to have enough in your pricing model to cover things like banking charges, Etsy shop charges, website hosting etc.

Remember that you need to register as self employed and pay tax too.

It is a very very crowded market. There are vast numbers of people trying to make a living from art and many end up out of pocket as they don't price their work correctly.

Having said that, I do like your work, I don't often comment on these threads as the work isn't great quality.

LunaHeather · 26/02/2021 13:05

Looking at what Lexiloo said, I naturally think, is it easier to do only commissions?

takingmytimeonmyride · 26/02/2021 14:24

Wow! You are amazing! I recently commissioned someone to do me a picture (of a house) and it's costing me £150. It's not something I'd normally buy, it's for a special birthday present. I've bought a print from another artist too.

Ahh, I'm so jealous! I got F in my art GCSE. 😂. I'd love to draw. I'm not sure I have the talent to learn. And definitely not the concentration and patience!

JulietMadeChutney · 26/02/2021 15:27

@Lexilooo

Well done so far, sounds as though you are off to a flying start. I do think you need to increase your prices though.

My husband is an artist so I know what goes into producing giclee prints. You need to account for your time as well as the cost of printing, take into account scanning, signing, producing certificate of authenticity, administering the limited editions, packing, etc etc.

Likewise your originals are a bit cheap. Allow at least £10 an hour plus materials and expenses.

You need to have enough in your pricing model to cover things like banking charges, Etsy shop charges, website hosting etc.

Remember that you need to register as self employed and pay tax too.

It is a very very crowded market. There are vast numbers of people trying to make a living from art and many end up out of pocket as they don't price their work correctly.

Having said that, I do like your work, I don't often comment on these threads as the work isn't great quality.

Having just spent the last hour packaging up 2 commissions and several prints yes! It is faffy and time consuming and I'd rather be doing something else. I am getting more efficient at it all though. It is, I suppose like any admin task, just finding the quickest/best way to do it.

I think price wise I am pitching it at an impulse-ish kind of buy for the prints. I have taken into account all the costs for each print (cello wrap, card, envelope, postage etc) and making OK on each one. It is, I suppose, more about a volume game.

I have been doing a fair amount of "Mates Rates" for prints etc - but I think that is just to help start me off. Still making about £5-7 profit on each one. This is leading to other sales (at full cost which is closer to £9/£10).

Commission/original wise for non-friends it would now be £125 for charcoal and £150 for pastel - but only if this is pet-portrait kind of thing. Because they only take up half the page (if that makes sense) they take c4 hours to actually draw. So add in an hour for the admin around it that is about £25 an hour. For a townscape/full picture I would not do it for less than £200-£250 - they are much more work as basically you have to fill the whole page and they take 6/7 hours. And make my hand ache

And @LunaHeather the commissions are a bit nerve racking...will the customer like it? You don't want to fuck it up 3/4 of the way in...cos you'll have to start again. Whereas the "draw what I want and see if it will sell" well...meh..it doesn't matter so much.

I think I may continue with a mix of the 2. The prints can just bumble along, hopefully bringing in bits and pieces. And I can play around and experiment. Draw what I like. If it is good enough, try and sell it...if not it doesn't matter.

And as for where the commissions come from - so far all of them have approached me from the back of social media posts...a couple of ladies I play netball with, a couple of closer friends and then also 3 or 4 total strangers (posted on the local town FB page). Not all have come back to me when I tell them my prices...but I have a job, a family, etc I am not dropping my prices.

I am also still really finding my style and preferences. These are all 3 I drew this week. The dog a commission, the townscape for my sitting room (also sold 7 already) and the hare for my bedroom. So all different styles. I may even have a dabble with watercolours...

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