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Greater than 1 in 2 chance of t21/downs syndrome - experience

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1in2blues · 02/07/2023 20:07

Just thought I'd write this up here so the information can be found if anyone else needs it really. I didn't find too much info on our exact situation but a few threads on here did help us while we were going through things, so hopefully they'll come up when people google similar things in future.

My wife is 13 weeks pregnant, and we got our combined test results back last week for chromosomal issues. Terrifyingly, this came back with a ">1 in 2 chance" of t21 (Down's Syndrome). She'd already had one miscarriage last year, so this was pretty upsetting.

We'd decided that we wouldn't want to continue with the pregnancy if it was confirmed, which made the whole thing very stressful considering we'd told everyone a few days before and were still getting congratulations through.

We immediately went to the hospital to talk with one of the consultants, and she went through all the options (NIPT blood test, which would give another more accurate percentage result, or a CVS or amnio test, which would be conclusive, but risk 1% chance of miscarriage after the invasive test). We decided that due to the high probability, we'd go for the CVS and that was booked in (we'd have to wait a few weeks for the amnio, which was too long).

The next few days were spent with frantic research and stress, while I regretted not asking the nurse for the numbers from my wife's exact blood results so I could check which numbers had led to the result.

Chances of Down's Syndrome, Edward's, and Patau's Syndrome are calculated using a formula, based on the mother's age, her blood results, and the size of the translucent fluid behind the baby's neck at the 12 week ultrasound.

Our baby's NT neck measurement was 3.2mm (which is high, the healthy average is just over 1mm iirc). The baby was wriggling around and there was a range of results from 2.8mm up to 3.6mm, but 3.2mm was the official one they used.

The blood results are judged in terms of "MoM" (multiples of median), with 1 being average.
My wife's PAPP-A was 0.75 (low), and her HCG was a rather scary 4.93 (almost 5 times average - which explained her intense morning sickness!)

Low papp-a and high HCG, along with a large NT size heavily indicated Down's Syndrome, hence the >1 in 2 result. (If NCT is low, that indicates one of the other two chromosomal conditions.)
Annoyingly, it was never made clear whether ">1 in 2" meant closer to 50% chance, or closer to 100%. The consultant we saw first said that this chance meant that if there were 2 babies, 1 would have DS. But a doctor at the CVS scan told is that ">1 in 2" does mean "1 in 1".

The CVS scan experience was fine (my wife found the jabs a bit painful), and there was a detailed anatomy ultrasound before the procedure, with full heart examination using 3d doppler imagery. The doctor didn't find any abnormalities, and there were no heart problems. The nasal bone was visible on the scan, but the doctor found it hard to get a proper view because the baby was moving too much (an absent nasal bone at 12-13 weeks is also a potential symptom of DS). She said that they don't re-measure the NT size, and just stick with the previous official measurement. I assumed this was because it does tend to change over time, and they don't want to give too much unfair hope or despair to parents struggling with the situation.

The CVS test was on Wednesday afternoon, and we had to wait stressing until Friday afternoon for a phonecall with the results. I spent these days trawling through medical journal articles checking the real probabilities of these things, and how accurate they are. There is apparently a "5% false positive rate" for the combined test -- but I'm still not entirely sure how you can have a false positive on a test which only ever gives a statistical likelihood as a results.

As far as I can tell, 3.5mm is the size at which the NT measurement becomes worrying, and 0.75 isn't TOO low a PAPP-A number. So it was the very high HCG which was pushing up the result to a 1 in 2 chance. I actually found an online cloud version of similar calculation software (https://www.prenatalscreeningcloud.com/) which I used to play with the numbers a little to see how they changed the result to see how the weightings worked.

I kept swapping between having hope after no abnormalities were found at the scan, and it potentially being due to one high HCG number skewing the result -- and the doctor telling me that it was basically a 1:1 chance.

Was she saying that because it was actually certain and ">1 in 2" means 95%? Or did she maybe misunderstand my question? Why would they say "more than 1 in 2" if the chance was actually certain to be much higher? Did the doctor tell us she wasn't re-measuring the NT because it looked smaller and she didn't want to give us hope? Or do they really never measure it? Why hadn't they mentioned anything about 3.2mm being high at the first ultrasound? Maybe it wasn't really high at all? But they did seem a little quiet. (And on and on and on ... )

(Side-note: we only had my wife's blood numbers from the printed form we got after the CVS test. Only, it actually said her HCG was 4093 times the average. Which is clearly wrong. Either this was a typo, or they'd mis-typed the actual result the first time and that had led to her very high results from the software. I decided that it was probably supposed to be 4.93 (the decimal on the numpad is right next to the 0), and the nurse had just re-typed it out wrong on the CVS paperwork. I actually checked the official government guidelines for the software they use, and there are upper limits in place for all values. But we haven't got the full blood results back yet, so it might be that my wife is a medical marvel!)

We finally got the phonecall of the CVS when we were out, trying to keep busy (and my wife forgot her phone!) so we rang them back when we got in, and got the preliminary CVS results, which was an all clear.

No signs of Down's, Edwards's or Patau's.

Needless to say, we spent the rest of the week on an emotional high like I've never felt. It's been 4 days now since the CVS test, and so most of the 0.5-1% miscarriage risk has also passed.

As I say, I've basically written this here for posterity, in case anyone else is really struggling with their combined test results as we were, as I couldn't find many examples of super high probabilities. I know from experience that it's not much reassurance reading people worrying over 1 in 150 results while you're facing a >1 in 2.

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Hope4567 · 11/05/2024 16:27

Currently going through this now and it is absolutely excruciating. 34yo, first pregnancy.
12 week scan started with us giggling at watching our baby wriggle around, then in a split second it descended into a nightmare being told that NT was 4.2mm.
We booked an NIPT for the next day at a private clinic (who will be getting a very harsh rating and feedback from me very soon, because I wasn’t happy at all).
My bloods then came back with >1 in 2 chance for DS and 1 in 8 chance for trisomy 18 and 13.
ive searched high and low to try and find any kind of explanation as to how these blasted results are calculated and I can’t understand why this information is not readily available.
my bHCG came back at 0.57, and my PAPP-A at 0.79 (both within whatever normal ranges that I could find), so I’m all kinds of confused because would a high NT alone cause these staggering results??

im still waiting for my NIPT results and booked in for CVS but at this point I’m just as concerned for my mental health. The anxiety is taking years off my life!

wizzler · 11/05/2024 16:50

Sorry you are going through this. I recommend ARC who are very informative and supportive

crimpdad · 12/05/2024 06:58

Hello, we came back with high risk 1/143 after the combined screening on Thursday.

Results were:
NT 1.6mm
PAPP-A 0.52 MoM
hCGb 3.31 MoM
Age 34 (although IVF and eggs collected at 32)

We had the NIPT yesterday (Saturday) and are awaiting results.

I was very confused at first because the screening nurse said my results were 'normal', but after doing some research I now understand that my result can be 'normal' but the PAPP-A is low and the hCGb is quite high.

I found this graph that helped me make sense of the situation. By looking at my results, I could see I fall just outside of the 'normal' range, and therefor I am 'high risk'.
I wish the nurse had sown me something like this because I almost felt worse when she said my results were 'normal' and I just didn't understand why I had been marked as high risk.

Good luck to all waiting results.

Greater than 1 in 2 chance of t21/downs syndrome - experience
crimpdad · 12/05/2024 07:00

@Hope4567 sorry I should have tagged you in my above post. I hope the graph I posted my help you make sense of how they calculate risk.

Hope4567 · 12/05/2024 12:30

@crimpdad thank you so much. This is the most helpful chart! I really don’t understand why there isn’t more information readily available or why hospital staff are so unwilling to explain what results mean.

crimpdad · 12/05/2024 13:39

@Hope4567 glad it helped. I was so confused befor I saw this graph.

Holiday0609 · 12/05/2024 14:43

Hi, so I wanted to share my story with you and hopefully give you some reassurance that sometimes all the worry is for nothing as I too was crushed inside thinking my baby was going to be born with DS.
so my nt measurement was normal but my combined bloods gave me a 1/2 chance for DS.
I had low Papp a and I’m 39.
I went on to have the nipt which came back low risk. I still wasn’t satisfied so I went to fetal medicine for the amino draw. We saw a very old school consultant who definitely new her stuff and chatted to her about why I had decided to go there. She did a detailed ultrasound and the basically said there is nothing wrong with your baby. She said the reason your combined screening came back 1/2 was because it’s all factors relating to the mother. So your age straight away puts you high risk and your low Papp a. The nipt is much more reliable and it’s nothing to do with the mother. It is purely babies dna. Both tests are not related. She said she would happily do the amino but there was more chance of me miscarriaging than the nipt being wrong. She was very matter of fact and that’s what I needed. I then declined the amino. I left feeling so happy and positive but that was short lived. I had weekly growth scans as baby was measuring small and the femur bone was measuring shorter so straight away I did the stupid asking google and all the information was taking me down the DS path yet again! Honestly I was secretly going through hell. Regretting not having the amino but now it was too late.
cutting a long Story short. I gave birthday and 39 weeks 2 days after being induced to a beautiful perfect and healthy baby boy! No DS and legs as they should be. The nipt was right and the consultant was bang on.
i really hope my story helps you and gives you the reassurance that statics and averages are not always correct. Please don’t let this take away the amazing experience of pregnancy. Xxx

CMG90 · 03/09/2024 16:28

Wonder if anyone in the thread has any updates as we are now in the same position. Chance >1in2 of all 3 and just wondering what to do, where to go etc

Holiday0609 · 03/09/2024 21:57

Hi CMG90. I’m not sure what stage you are at but if you have been given a high risk combined, I would then go for the nipt if this is offered at your hospital. This is much more accurate as this test is all about baby and not mum. Do you have any factors that could of given you a 1:2 combined ie age, low Papp a etc?
I would then ask to be referred to the fetal medicine team who are much more specialised. They will look at your actual lab results of the combined and nipt and also do a very in debth scan of baby. You will then have the option to have the amino fluid draw that basically gives you a yes or a no.
please try and stay positive. I am proof that the combined test is not accurate and nipt is. It breaks my heart that so many women are taking the combined as gospel and terminating pregnancies that were perfectly healthy. I spent months, worried and distracted and it could of quite easily ruined my pregnancy experience. I clung on to so many positive stories and it really helped me. I really really hope you get the reassurance you need. If you need any more advice or questions answering please ask. 🥰

Hope4567 · 04/09/2024 07:19

@CMG90 i was the same. I couldn’t wait for the hospital and went to Harley Ultrasound Group for NIPT. I would not recommend them. Whilst I was prepared for the cost, I was not prepared for their lack of empathy and truly disturbing approach with communication. If you wanted to pay for an NIPT, I would recommend Fetal Medicine Centre.
My NIPT came back low risk and I also opted for the CVS amniotic draw that was also clear. I’m currently 29 weeks and still under the care of the Fetal Medicine Unit at the hospital but they have been absolutely amazing and so far everything is pointing to a healthy baby.
i agree with @Holiday0609 - try your best to stay positive until you have all the answers. With just the combined test, there are still plenty of unknowns. It has become
apparent to me that this is far more common than I realised but we’re in this together x

Holiday0609 · 04/09/2024 09:22

@Hope4567 isnt it amazing and quite frightening how many mums are going through this. I have had 3 children and with my first 2 I didn’t worry about a thing. Because I was classed as an older mum with my 3rd whom I had the high risk screening with, I was constantly feeling like my age (39) was going against me at every angle despite having a brilliant pregnancy. No sickness, no illness, just this high risk combined. I asked the fetal medicine nurse why they don’t just scrap the combined test and only offer nipt if the combined is giving out frightening false results. Her answer was basically it’s down to the cost of nipt.
I really hope our stories help all those women, sat at home , trying their best to put a brave face on whilst feeling crushed inside like I was. Please hang on to our positive stories and enjoy your journey. Your baby is a gift no matter what. 🥰

Sherlock30 · 21/09/2024 13:37

Just jumping on
I'm one of those 1:2 folks unfortunately
I don't have an answer yet but I had my amnio done on Wednesday, expecting results early next week (damn weekend)
The wait is awful
I'll update when I have my results as this thread and reading all outcomes has been a source of comfort these past few weeks

CMG90 · 21/09/2024 17:24

Thank you to those who responded. It definitely offered some reassurance. I thought I would update as I know threads like this are useful.

@Sherlock30 im sorry that you are now on this journey too. It really is a roller coaster.

I was referred to fetal medicine for screening and did opt for the CVS. My results were quite quick, just over a week and all were clear!

we haven’t yet been discharged as they want to find out the cause of the excess fluid still.

We have a scan on the 1st October to rule out a heart condition, so keeping everything crossed still.

really hope people find comfort in this. Really is bad how much they big up the negative side. The stress it causes! I have to say, fetal medicine have been fantastic!

UniqueCoralViewer · 26/07/2025 17:30

1in2blues I just wanted to say thank you for your post. I’ve also had really bad NT combined test results (>1 in 2 for all three conditions…). My blood work/NT were worse than yours in terms of Papp A (0.07) and a 3.6mm NT so am not holding out much hope but found your post really helpful and so happy that you guys had a positive outcome. Thanks again x

Noggie123 · 14/02/2026 18:38

UniqueCoralViewer · 26/07/2025 17:30

1in2blues I just wanted to say thank you for your post. I’ve also had really bad NT combined test results (>1 in 2 for all three conditions…). My blood work/NT were worse than yours in terms of Papp A (0.07) and a 3.6mm NT so am not holding out much hope but found your post really helpful and so happy that you guys had a positive outcome. Thanks again x

How did you get on? If you don’t mind me asking X

Noggie123 · 14/02/2026 18:41
  • hCG MoM: 6.11
  • PAPP-A MoM: 0.48.
  • NT 2.6 mm/ MoM: 1.47

Been given 1:3 chance of DS, and the nurse said if I went with NIPT and it gave a negative result I wouldn’t be offered CVS/Amnio so we’ve gone straight to CVS which is now booked in

Fletchasketch · 16/02/2026 09:27

@Noggie123 hi there, hope you're doing okay as you can be. I've been where you are and the waiting is horrific. I went to amnio from a high risk NIPT and unfortunately did not get good news. The CVS is highly accurate and tests the same cells (placental) as NIPT, but there are a small number of cases where the CVS differs to the amnio. Thinking of you and hoping you get good news. You still have a good shot with a 1/3 chance. If you have any questions, please don't hesitate.

Noggie123 · 16/02/2026 13:15

@Fletchasketch Thank you so much, yes it's a horrid time of being in limbo. That makes sense then, as she said if we get a bad CVS they'd still want to do an amnio to confirm a TFMR. But as I'm at 13 weeks I can't imagine anything worse than waiting for 15 weeks to be eligible for the amnio. DEEP BREATHS all round.

I'm so sorry you didn't have a good outcome, bless you. I really appreciate your reach out and message of support having been there yourself. I've found scrolling through the forums and listening to people's stories incredibly helpful to not feel alone!

Noggie123 · 20/02/2026 20:37

Noggie123 · 14/02/2026 18:41

  • hCG MoM: 6.11
  • PAPP-A MoM: 0.48.
  • NT 2.6 mm/ MoM: 1.47

Been given 1:3 chance of DS, and the nurse said if I went with NIPT and it gave a negative result I wouldn’t be offered CVS/Amnio so we’ve gone straight to CVS which is now booked in

Had the CVS and it’s come back all ok! Even with the 1 in 3 chance we’ve been given the all clear 🍀🍀🍀

Fletchasketch · 23/02/2026 09:33

@Noggie123 such great news! I can only imagine the relief. Wishing you a very easy and boring pregnancy from here on out.

Hormonalchaos · 25/02/2026 11:50

Thank you for sharing.

I chose not to have the test in my 4th pregnancy 15 years ago and I'm glad I made that choice.
Although it was a shock initially when he was born, it turned out to be the most precious outcome for me. It hasn't been easy, but I wouldn't change him for the world. He has taught me so much and lives the happiest fulfilling life I could have hoped for him.

jmstar · 03/03/2026 15:55

Currently going through this. Suspected cystic hygroma flagged on early scan. Been referred to fetal medicine and had another scan where fluid is still there but too early for measurements and testing. So haven't had any bloods done yet. Going back next week for proper scan and maybe CVS. Feeling like it's going to be bad news.

MixedFeelingsNoFeelings · 05/03/2026 11:29

A relative of mine went through this. Devastating news about her baby being at very high risk of Down syndrome. She and her partner white-faced, thrown into reassessing their future lives. Wider family in turmoil. Everyone trying to figure out advanced maths calculations and potential medical implications, on top of emotional stresses, for nearly a week. Much-needed short break ruined.

Until the NIPT came back with a 'low risk' result. To our indescribable relief, gratitude and joy of course, I'm not downplaying that.

But I just wanted to say that giving people this terrifying news so lightly, based on data and calculations that perhaps are not as well understood or interpreted as you'd hope, is not without consequences. Mentally you're reassured, but the body keeps the score, as they say.

My relative went on to have high blood pressure and various complications that led to a very premature birth. It was all wonderfully managed and mum and baby are fine. I accept that the pregnancy might have taken this course anyway. But surely, receiving such traumatic news at the crucial three-month stage can't be good for mother or baby.

Understandably it's all forgotten in the joy of having a healthy baby. But this seems to happen a lot. That's a lot of unnecessary stress that the NHS is piling onto pregnant women and their partners and families. I don't have any answers, just wanted to make the point that these false predictions may not, as I say, be without consequences.

Hope4567 · 05/03/2026 14:09

@MixedFeelingsNoFeelings could not agree more. I had exactly the same experience with 1 in 2 chance and then a low risk NIPT and clear CVS. I ended up needing an emergency c-section due to preeclampsia and hypertension/ high blood pressure. I have a happy, healthy, confident baby girl now but the trauma still lives in my mind and my body.

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