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To demand a harder hitting campaign to promote breastfeeding?

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WashwithCare · 11/01/2010 21:00

I?m sometimes taken aback to hear mothers gave up bf-ing because it was sore, or involved feeding for hours at a time? What did they expect? What did they think newborns do? Didn?t they imagine that anything chewing on your nipple for 10 hours a day was going to nip a bit?

But then again, who can blame them? Breastfeeding for the minimum WHO recommendation of 2 years is practically unheard of. Nearly everyone will tell you it?s absolutely your decision, and fine to stop. The public info campaign is fluffy and vague about the benefits, and the baby on the follow-on formula milk box looks decidedly peachy. Lots of women are so mis-informed, they believe that formula is almost as good as breastmilk.

Is it time for something a little harder hitting? How about this for a tv ad; (scene 1) mum feeding her newborn a bottle telling her mate how hard bf-ing was. Caption: Breastfeeding Hurts. (scene 2) same mum, but now older, bald and sick, hugs toddler. Caption: So does breast cancer. FADE to caption: "Breastfeeding significantly Reduces your Life Time Risk of Breast Cancer". Followed by cheesy inspirational slogan.

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standandeliver · 12/01/2010 22:10

My IM did my a BOGOF with my third, (dc1 was NHS) because she knew I couldn't afford to pay for her services a second time!

pigletmania · 12/01/2010 22:11

Each to their own, I personally cannot afford to have an IP but will try to seek out free/low cost support. I have contacted the NCT who were really helpful and if or when the time comes see if there are any bf counsellers in my area. Even if i manage to feed for 3 months it will be an achievement.

hazeyjane · 12/01/2010 22:11

I'm the same as you Ineedsomesleep, we don't borrow money (apart from our mortgage).

I will look into IM though? (we have some savings) Are they there throughout the birth or do they come to the hospital afterwards? How is the cost worked out? Are they availabel to all births or do they have to be straightforward ones?

I started both my labours in a MW led birth unit, they seemed to have far better support for b'feeding on the ward there, but infortunately you could only stay there if the birth was straightforward, otherwise you ended up on the overcrowded, understaffed post natal ward.

oldernowiser · 12/01/2010 22:11

Don't care if this is for real or not, can't be bothered to read all of it, but haven't you all got better things to do than this?

WashwithCare · 12/01/2010 22:12

That's great to hear Ineedsomesleep

I started off with the NHS route - what put me off was that the only option was a consultant led unit with a 33% c-section rate.... so I opted out.

I tend to agree with standanddleiver - lots of peopel can raise a IM fee - and will ralise simliar amounts for birthday parties and christmas and sofas and so on...

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WashwithCare · 12/01/2010 22:13

LMFAO @ BOGOF on second child

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standandeliver · 12/01/2010 22:15

"Hoever, I did have two fantastic birth experiences at our local birth centre and a great mw with dc1 who supported me all they way with bfing and was a real inspiration.

Sometimes the NHS does get it right"

Yes - often! We have an outstanding local birth centre now locally, but it wasn't there when I had my second or third, and even if it had been, I wouldn't have been allowed to use it because of my health problems. Boo hoo!

WashwithCare · 12/01/2010 22:16

HazeyJane

www.independentmidwives.org.uk/

Most women engage an IM because they want a home birth - but they will come and support you in the hosp it you want - or stay at home with you until you want to transfer in...

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hazeyjane · 12/01/2010 22:16

Oldernowiser, this is Mumsnet, of course we haven't got better things to do!

WashwithCare · 12/01/2010 22:18

IMs will attend the hosp too and stay with you in yoru delivery suite to help you bf..

They will tackle all births... hmmm...

Cost is a fixed cost.

IMs also wont' put any pressure on you to be induced because you are late, and will support your decision and charge no xtra...

They are lovely!

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Ineedsomesleep · 12/01/2010 22:19

Its either this or the housework.

StayingDavidTennantsGirl · 12/01/2010 22:19

WashWithCare - when you refer to poorly informed health visitors and midwives telling someone that their baby is jaundiced and needs a bottle, or that their baby is failing to thrive, you are clearly referring to my story.

Firstly, it was the doctors, not the midwives, who told me that ds1 needed extra fluid and calories in order to help him recover from neonatal jaundice. At this point he'd already been receiving phototherapy for over 24 hours, and his serum bilirubin should have been starting to fall, but his had climbed significantly. A second phototherapy unit was brought in to double the dose of phototherapy, and I was told that instead of feeding him at least every four hours, I should feed him every three hours and supplement.

I was told by a very well qualified doctor that this was what my child needed, so that is what I gave him. And the midwives, who were, to a woman, well informed, supportive and intelligent, helped me to care for my son to the best of my ability.

When ds2 lost so much of his birthweight, the health visitor was worried, because he wasn't gaining it back, despite being on the breast for hours on end. I couldn't have fed him any more, without keeping him awake 24/7. We ended up at the hospital because he got a chest infection, but once we were on the paediatric ward, the paediatricians were far more worried about his failure to regain his birthweight at 6 weeks old! And I was worried too - you didn't see him - I did, and he was white and thin and looked ill. The term failure to thrive was used on the wardround by the nursing staff, but that diagnosis had to have come from the doctors again. Ds2 only started to gain weight when I started to supplement my milk with formula.

You cannot just say that, whatever difficulties or problems someone has, they can be overcome with determination and a willingness to 'ride it out.' How should I have 'ridden out' my son getting thinner before my very eyes? Or my other son in an incubator, getting yellower? It is the most insensitive and cruel thing to suggest that the only reason someone fails at breastfeeding is because they weren't sufficiently determined.

MrsRigby - it sounds as if you and I went through something very similar, and my heart goes out to you. One thing I have tried to remember is that I have many years to nourish my children well, and breastfeeding is just a part of that. We are good parents, because we made the right decisions for the sake of our children, no matter how painful they were for us.

WashwithCare · 12/01/2010 22:20

Piglet - another option you might wish to consider is a doula

a trained peer supporter, who provides support in labour or to the new mum - some specialise in bf-ing support...

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WashwithCare · 12/01/2010 22:20

www.doula.org.uk/

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standandeliver · 12/01/2010 22:22

hazeyjane, a lot of midwives do postnatal packages. As do doulas (who would be much cheaper).

hobnobsaremyfavourite · 12/01/2010 22:23

This is quite possibly the most bonkers thread ever . I reckon I'm going to open the Sunday supplements soon from some suitably highbrow publication and read all about it!

gaelicsheep · 12/01/2010 22:24

Wow, this thread has been an education for me. I thought I was over what happened 3 years ago. Now I see I'm really not. Suggestions of me giving up too easily, not being bloody minded enough hurt nearly as much now as they did then. I pity anyone for whom it's still very raw.

It's not just the OP as it happens - that just made me - others have said it as well. I do take the point that people are getting at - OP included - and I know that people don't generally mean to cause offence, but do please bear in mind the effect of those comments on people who tried as hard as they possibly could to the point of having almost no happy memories of those first few weeks.

Incidentally, I've already decided that if the same problems reoccur this time I will be turning to formula without nearly so much heartbreak and soul searching (after seeking appropriate support first of course ). I have a 3 year old to consider as well now, and he needs a sane and happy mum.

Off to look at the more sensitive thread now. Incidentally WWC (if you are in fact interested - I hope so), I remember starting a thread myself in the dim and distant past about how the information leaflets could be a bit more realistic about what's involved and what can go wrong so that women like me are better prepared (not that it would have helped in my case). I still think there's a case of a bit of a rethink, but I accept the point that was made to me very strongly back then that the last thing anyone wants to do is put people off. It's a minefield and I'm glad I don't have to come up with the answer.

tethersend · 12/01/2010 22:25

"Tethersend - I find the suggestion that a mother's decision to choose not to breastfeed might be partly motivated by a desire to thumb her nose at over enthusiastic or clumsy efforts to promote bf quite bizarre."

Do you? I now have two more reasons

WashwithCare · 12/01/2010 22:28

Staying - I am not referring to your story -it is very common line - lots of mother's hear it. I think it is true less than it is said, but I know that it will be true in some cases - and your case sounds very serious.

I personally wouldn't feel bad about not breastfeeding in your circumstances. It sounds like you did your absolute best - and no one can ask more. My friend weaned at 8 mths abruptly when she was rushed into hosp for a life threatenign illness and put on morphine. It's not reasonable for her to feel bad - but she does. I tell her she did the best thing - there is always a need for measure in such things.

I dont' think tbh it's ever worth directing criticism at individuals... I do think it's worth warning people to be wary - if you're at home and baby seems otherwise healthy - and just a little yellow round the edges... and HV is telling you things are beyond the pale - best not to reach for the Aptamil...

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standandeliver · 12/01/2010 22:28

"Its either this or the housework"

No contest then!

SDTG - did anyone refer to to a lactation consultant to try to address your breastfeeding difficulties?

As a new parent you are reliant on the advice of doctors and midwives. Unfortunately there is a lot of poor and inadequate advice being handed out when it comes to breastfeeding problems - sadly a lot of it by obstetricians and paediatricians, the majority of whom have little formal education in lactation.

pigletmania · 12/01/2010 22:32

Thanks WWC. SDTG at the end of the day you have to do what you feel is best in your situation, only you and or your dp/dh are going through it not us nobody else, dont feel bad as long as you have happy and healthy dcs thats all that matters impo

CarmenSanDiego · 12/01/2010 22:32

Hmm. How much does it cost to formula feed a baby for a year? I know I've always been when I've seen the price of formula in shops. Seems like a lactation consultant or midwife would pay for itself.

Ineedsomesleep · 12/01/2010 22:36

Carmen, there is some great free bfing support available through La Leche League, NCT, ABM and Baby Cafes. I don't think that people should be lead to believe that they will only be successful if they put their hand in their pocket. For many people paying for support is just not an option, not if they want to eat as well that is.

WashwithCare · 12/01/2010 22:37

Sorry, I'm implusive - not really into these PDAs

Are you pg? I dont' want to offend, but I am glad the thread touched you, because I think it is an issue worth touching women about, iyswim. The past is the past, but if it helps in any positive way with DC2 - well, that's good.

If you are pg, the IM links and doula links are worth a look. wwc. x

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WashwithCare · 12/01/2010 22:40

By Ineedsomesleep Tue 12-Jan-10 22:36:38
Carmen, there is some great free bfing support available through La Leche League, NCT, ABM and Baby Cafes. I don't think that people should be lead to believe that they will only be successful if they put their hand in their pocket. For many people paying for support is just not an option, not if they want to eat as well that is.

Yes - I agree... worth starting to attend meets when your pg too... no one will mind! I think it is easier to take advice from people you know a little!

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