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AIBU Income Tax rise.

627 replies

H202too · 30/10/2025 09:56

To be panicking about income tax rise.

Things are tight and to loae even £30-60 a month will be difficult.

I know people are talking about the mansion tax being a no go. But I would prefer this than taxing the workers as per usual.
The tax free rate should be put up. What a mess.

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samthepigeon · 30/10/2025 19:49

dressinggowns · 30/10/2025 16:00

Teachers? Yes, they work hard. Do they get paid excessive mega-bucks? No.

They don't get a bad wage particularly in london & the pension is very generous.

I am not sure it is megabucks though. Top rate for a class teacher is 43K and 45K in London. And while teaching pensions were once good, they are no longer so. And most people don't teach their whole lives, but only a few years, as it is so hard work that people leave, so the pension they get from teaching is actually little.
Anyway, what I was saying is that earning mega bucks is not about working hard. Who says a cleaner works less hard than a CEO? How do we determine hard work?

Zigzagmug · 30/10/2025 19:54

samthepigeon · 30/10/2025 19:49

I am not sure it is megabucks though. Top rate for a class teacher is 43K and 45K in London. And while teaching pensions were once good, they are no longer so. And most people don't teach their whole lives, but only a few years, as it is so hard work that people leave, so the pension they get from teaching is actually little.
Anyway, what I was saying is that earning mega bucks is not about working hard. Who says a cleaner works less hard than a CEO? How do we determine hard work?

Top rate for a class teacher, with no other allowances, in London is £62,496, c. £52k outside London.

samthepigeon · 30/10/2025 19:55

ThatLovelyPuppySmell · 30/10/2025 19:37

You're probably right. It will come back to bite them though, we have just doubled down on cutting costs at the supermarket as we can no longer afford some of the things we used to buy.
We have cut items from our weekly shop permanently and changed to cheaper versions of almost everything.
If we're doing it others must be too.
Maybe this is needed though to bring inflation down, I hope it means prices will have to come down soon.

The problem is, lots of people are already doing this. Where do they make savings?
On the other hand, many of us have a way better standard of living than we used to, and consider things as necessities when really they are luxuries eg streaming services, new phones, newer cars, annual holidays, fast food deliveries, eating out etc. We feel hard done to when we have to cut these back.

Hotflushesandchilblains · 30/10/2025 20:01

They cant fix the things the fucking Tories broke so thoroughly without more money. And every time she tries something, she gets undermined and shut down. There is no magic money tree.

Rather than focusing on tax, I think we should all be holding our utility companies accountable for how they are gouging their customers.

Legolava · 30/10/2025 20:01

Zigzagmug · 30/10/2025 19:54

Top rate for a class teacher, with no other allowances, in London is £62,496, c. £52k outside London.

Yeah most don’t earn that though. Schools won’t hire expensive teachers (those that are left). Teacher pay scales are so misleading. Most get stuck at M6 nowadays. Schools won’t pay UPS. The pension can’t be that good. Teaching has the highest attrition rate in the western world - in England.

Nolletimiere · 30/10/2025 20:07

Bluegrassdfly · 30/10/2025 18:51

Oh for goodness’s sake! Angela Raynor was poorly advised with regards to a very technical tax matter which arouse due to her trying to protect her disabled child.

Rachel Reeves asked her agent who said a licence wasn’t needed.

Boris Johnson knowingly flouted the very Covid rules he was telling us all to adhere too.

You cannot equate knowingly breaking the rules and inadvertently breaking the rules. I’m no Labour fan but even I can see the difference!

Labour are in government now.

EasternStandard · 30/10/2025 20:08

Hotflushesandchilblains · 30/10/2025 20:01

They cant fix the things the fucking Tories broke so thoroughly without more money. And every time she tries something, she gets undermined and shut down. There is no magic money tree.

Rather than focusing on tax, I think we should all be holding our utility companies accountable for how they are gouging their customers.

Her and Starmer’s NI policy didn’t help.

Barclays is forecasting that Reeves will be looking for £41bn in tax rises in the budget, up from their prediction of £26.5bn in September

dressinggowns · 30/10/2025 20:12

I am not sure it is megabucks though.

Who is claiming they do?

Bumblebee72 · 30/10/2025 20:16

BananaPeels · 30/10/2025 17:16

How do you educate the children of immigrants then if they can’t access education until they have been here 5 years?

And how do you educate the children of the unemployed if they haven't contributed for 5 years to earn the right to the services?

Bluegrassdfly · 30/10/2025 20:17

hettie · 30/10/2025 19:23

@222days As well as our economic woes which you have clearly outlined.....we have a problem with our politics and social media hasn't helped.
Whilst the demographic pensioner time bomb is plain for all to see any attempts to deal with it will be almost impossible. The media would whip voters into a storm. Tapered means testing could not be done overnight (or even NI on pension income) and any opposition party would simply have to state they would remove it to be guaranteed to win the very next election.
I fear we are stuck in doom loop until this demographic bubble has passed......

Totally agree. We’re 2 years out from France’s current situation I fear.

Bumblebee72 · 30/10/2025 20:19

Nolletimiere · 30/10/2025 20:07

Labour are in government now.

It is the classic politians problem. Do they say they know but ignored the rules. competent but dishonest, or do they say they didn't know, incompetent but honest. Neither is a good look. I probably believe that Reeves was incompetent as that is what she is demonstrating in every other area of public life.

OldLondonDad · 30/10/2025 20:43

silverbirchjuniper · 30/10/2025 18:01

@OldLondonDad - but I'm not suggesting ALL their earnings are taxed at 80 percent. I'm suggesting earnings OVER a million a year are taxed at that rate.

So (very basic maths, not taking into account pension contributions or anything), if you earn 2 million a year, you currently take home just over million a year after tax. If you taxed earnings over a million at 80 percent, your take home would be close to 750k.

Yes, 250k a year more to the tax man is a vast amount. But the country is in crisis - and if you are earning at that level already, you're still leading an incredibly affluent life. The majority of people I know who earn like this wouldn't just retire or move or 'work less' - they'd be annoyed, but the majority would just suck it up!

Yes I can do the maths. An 80% tax rate is absurd. It's not that they can't live without the money, it's why the hell bother doing the extra work to have 80% taken away? You simply don't bother.

BananaPeels · 30/10/2025 20:46

Bumblebee72 · 30/10/2025 20:16

And how do you educate the children of the unemployed if they haven't contributed for 5 years to earn the right to the services?

Well indeed but somehow someone who moves abroad for a few years and comes back shouldn’t entitled to public services

Bumblebee72 · 30/10/2025 21:01

BananaPeels · 30/10/2025 20:46

Well indeed but somehow someone who moves abroad for a few years and comes back shouldn’t entitled to public services

Well you know what they say, Labour voters like to spend other peoples money, I fear you are one of the other people.

Bluegrassdfly · 30/10/2025 21:06

BananaPeels · 30/10/2025 20:46

Well indeed but somehow someone who moves abroad for a few years and comes back shouldn’t entitled to public services

Why not? If they pay taxes in the country in which they are resident, why isn’t that fair?

peanutbuttertoasty · 30/10/2025 21:25

EasternStandard · 30/10/2025 10:51

Instead of wanting any rises taxes at all remember this

"But I have made an important choice today to keep every single commitment that we made on tax in our manifesto. So I say to working people, I will not increase your national insurance, I will not increase your VAT, and I will not increase your income tax.
Working people will not see higher taxes in their payslips as a result of the choices that I am making today. That is a promise made and a promise fulfilled"

Reeves, '24 Autumn Budget.

Well she’s not wrong. There won’t be any bloody payslips at the rate she’s tanking the economy

TwistyTurnip · 30/10/2025 21:29

Obvs the Champaign socialists who love to do a bit of virtue signalling will be unaffected and looking forward to it. Meanwhile the rest of us will be full of dread. I can’t wait for the day this awful government gets voted out.

Molle · 30/10/2025 21:42

dressinggowns · 30/10/2025 11:13

The other change is pensions never used to be included in estates for IHT. That has been changed and from (I think it's next year) they will now be included in your estate and subject to IHT.

I agree with this policy

So do I.

Up until a few years ago, children were taxed at 55% on inherited pension funds whether over the inheritance tax limits or not.

Pensions were never intended as a way of saving inheritance tax.

Bluegrassdfly · 30/10/2025 21:50

Molle · 30/10/2025 21:42

So do I.

Up until a few years ago, children were taxed at 55% on inherited pension funds whether over the inheritance tax limits or not.

Pensions were never intended as a way of saving inheritance tax.

I thought it was the case that the recipients were still taxed for drawing down the pension, so the pension is taxed 40% IHT and 0%, 20%, 40% or 45% on top depending on their other earnings, which could give a 85% overall tax on inherited pension pots, but I’m no expert in this area.

Bluegrassdfly · 30/10/2025 21:50

Bluegrassdfly · 30/10/2025 21:50

I thought it was the case that the recipients were still taxed for drawing down the pension, so the pension is taxed 40% IHT and 0%, 20%, 40% or 45% on top depending on their other earnings, which could give a 85% overall tax on inherited pension pots, but I’m no expert in this area.

If I’m correct, 85% tax is too high to be charging.

Mosaiccat · 30/10/2025 21:53

222days · 30/10/2025 16:22

Quite a lot needs to change for our economy to be made sustainable and productivity to increase, which is the only way to raise living standards sustainably rather than it just be a case of dividing up the remaining crumbs between warring factions. Fundamentally, it requires a huge improvement in the efficiency of spending, a coherent industrial and trade policy, investment in infrastructure and education and a very large redirecting of public spending from the old to the young. Over 65s are 15% of the population yet consume over 50% of public spending. This is why taxes are going through the roof, and there has been chronic underinvestment in the parts of our economy that will actually generate improved productivity, rising living standards and growth and some hope for the future. The longer this is not done, the worse the effect will be.

A good start would be to:

  1. means test the state pension with a gradual taper rate like in Australia, so that it reaches zero when the PLSA income level for a moderate retirement for an individual/ couple is met (or assets sufficient to generate this income). This would create absolutely zero poverty because it is set at a level which allows for foreign holidays, running a car, eating out regularly, etc: the only impact would be that those pensioners who don’t need the state pension and are currently spending it on extra luxuries no longer receive it/ all of it. This would save £80-90bn per year - these completely unnecessary welfare payments to wealthy pensioners are by far the most wasteful part of public spending and it needs to stop. The quid pro quo can be no further raises in state retirement age. There is no rational argument for the status quo. The current generation of retirees are - on average - extracting £200k per person more in welfare and state services than they paid in tax over their lifetimes, in real terms. This is not sustainable and cannot continue. They didn’t pay sufficient tax to fund their demands on the current working aged population and neither did they provide anything like what they are demanding for their own parents and grandparents. It’s crippling our economy. Ceasing these payments to people who do not need them at all would create no poverty whatsoever, just upset a lot of pensioners who continue to claim that they have “paid for their pension” and that it “isn’t welfare” when all they have done is pay the tax required so that they aren’t breaking the law and go to prison and it’s been clear ever since the National Insurance Act 1948 that this is a welfare payments and - just like all welfare payments - the eligibility criteria and amount is subject to change (the PLSA levels are uprated with inflation every year and currently £31,700 for an individual or £43,900 for a couple after tax and housing costs - so far exceed the income of the vast majority of working-aged people who are paying NI, housing costs, childcare and have nowhere near this amount left as disposable income, so no pensioner would be left in poverty by removing their state pension at this level. When you consider that the recently-proposed cuts to disability benefit aimed to save £5bn per year and this measure would save £80-90bn per year, you can understand the scale of the problem and that it is pension welfare that is one of the reasons why the UK’s infrastructure and education system and all productive investment is falling apart. This ponzi scheme cannot continue and simply won’t, because it can’t, but the longer it goes on the more damage it will do and the harder it will be for the UK to recover, all so that working-aged people can fund luxuries and extra holidays for wealthy pensioners who are perfectly capable of supporting themselves, because politicians are scared to upset them. They need to get over this and do it - it should have been done decades ago). These pensioners funded nothing like this for their own parents or grandparents, and as a cohort paid nowhere near enough to fund it for themselves. They had decades where the collapse of this ponzi scheme was foreseen as an inevitability yet continued to vote for politicians who did nothing about it and demanded no change, and now state that it would be “unfair” to change it for those already retired. Ridiculous. It has to be changed and somebody needs to get a grip and tell them it is being changed, with immediate effect.

  2. The above measure would enable significant investment in productive parts of the economy that have been starved of cash in which investment is essential to generate growth: education and infrastructure in particular. We need a lower proportion of people going to university and far more technical colleges with apprenticeships set up in conjunction with businesses leading to respected and useful vocational qualifications that lead directly into employment with the training employer, more similar to the German model. We also need to increase funding for schools by 50% to ensure smaller class sizes and a wider range of schools to suit different needs - some more academic in focus like the old grammar schools and some more focused on arts or sports or practical and technical skills. Trying to pretend all children are identical is ridiculous and we need to abandon the failed model of forcing almost all children into one-size-fits-all mainstream education which serves nobody well. Fund SEND education properly and put a proper regulator in place for education which will impose fines and sanctions and strip qualifications from people or even impose prison sentences when the law is broken, as is the case in every other sector (law, medicine, finance) rather than individual parents being expected to enforce the law. In the long run, the failure of education and enabling every child to reach their potential is going to cost us orders of magnitude more in terms of welfare, lower growth, higher justice and healthcare costs, etc, so underfunding education is economic insanity.

  3. All responsibility for the provision of education and social care should also be taken back within the remit of the relevant central Government departments so that there is accountability, even if they delegate implementation tasks to Local Authorities. The recently mooted plans to redistribute Council tax across the country just add another layer of bureaucracy to achieve the same effective central funding outcome but with no accountability allowing central Government to blame Councils for the failures when they are underfunded and not capable anyway of administering these systems competently and this has led to a huge squandering of resources on ineffective systems designed more to try to circumvent their statutory responsibilities than actually implement the required services. Social care whether in the home or out of the home should be treated equally in terms of funding. General taxation can rise slightly to fund this and Council tax be significantly lowered with Local Authorities responsible only for local services such as waste collection, leisure centres, road maintenance, libraries etc.

  4. The savings from point 1) also would enable us to remove the op-out for auto-enrolment and significantly increase the level of mandatory contributions for both employees and employers whilst making tax cuts to make this fiscally neutral and ensure that there is a stable pensions system in place for the future. A similar mandatory scheme should be introduced for the self-employed unless they can demonstrate sufficient levels of independent assets to fund their own retirement entirely independently. Meanwhile the Government should commit - as independent report after independent report into the pensions industry in the UK has advised them for years now - NOT to make any further changes to the rules around withdrawals, tax relief, etc because this is undermining any faith in people trusting the system sufficiently to invest their money into it, knowing rules might be changed in the future.

  5. Abandon the failed NHS model and emulate on of the far superior European models like those in France or Germany which have been shown to deliver far better patient outcomes and value for money. People would get treated in a timely manner, healthcare would vastly improve. There is a reason why no other country in the world has emulated the NHS system and all of the countries that have better health outcomes do not use a system like ours. Every time this is proposed ridiculous people try to pretend that changing it would mean we were moving to a US model which - again - nobody else in the world has copied for very good reasons. There are very good models between these two extremes that actually work and won’t bankrupt the country.

  6. Rejoin the single market and customs union as quickly as possible and implement a coherent industrial strategy and trade policy, focusing on Government support for start-ups in key high-productivity sectors where the UK has an existing competitive advantage and knowledge base (tech, pharmaceuticals, engineering, the arts, finance and professional services, defence, life sciences etc) linking these up with grants, research from our best universities, knowledge clusters and business support networks including a new Government export assistance service for small businesses to help them overcome the costs of legal hurdles and compliance documentation with templates/ paperwork assistance etc.

  7. A huge investment in our failing infrastructure (water, internet, road, rail, housing - but with acceptable standards for homebuilding unlike now) and plans for food security, water security, energy security, climate change protection (e.g. flood defences). Markets will be favourable to a coherent long-term investment plan in such areas because of their impact on long-term productivity and growth rate therefore this would not negatively impact the UK credit rating. This would also generate more highly skilled jobs and demand for the apprenticeships per point 2).

  8. Stop selling indexed links gilts! Most comparable European countries have a tiny amount of their debt issued on an index-linked basis and are therefore paying much lower interest than us on similar debt levels. This was gross economic mismanagement.

  9. Fix the ridiculous UK tax system which is harming productivity. These points are not in priority order and frankly this one should be done immediately because the effect would be almost instantaneous unlike some other items on the list and it is entirely within Government control to fix. Anomalies and perverse incentives little the system at every level. All taxes and welfare should be levied on a household unit basis, as in pretty much every other developed country. Couples could choose to opt out and be separate “household units” splitting their household tax allowances/ thresholds between them equally if they wish to maintain separate finances. Obviously those in HMOs or adult children living with parents would be separate “household units”. This is how the system operates in all sensible countries of which I am aware. Then two households with the same household income will be taxed the same amount regardless of whether they’re a single parent or couple or how the earnings are split between the adults. This is a matter of basic fairness. Income tax does need to rise but this needs to be through the basic rate (due to sheer mathematics). This should be done transparently by simply changing the rate. Fiscal drag is economically damaging and a commitment should be made to uprate all tax thresholds annually with inflation.

  10. As well as the above, the cliff-edges in the tax system need to be removed. Child benefit, childcare funding and the personal allowance should be made universal again, and the universal credit taper rate reduced significantly because there is robust independent economic evidence demonstrating that this would generate more economic growth, reduce long-term welfare dependency and raise tax revenues and economic participation rates significantly. This would also reduce the number of people cutting their hours/ retiring early/ emigrating and therefore reduce skills shortages and the need for immigration. Rationalise the tax system so that pensioners pay NI given they are by far the highest users of welfare and healthcare which it was supposedly meant to fund (obviously we all know it isn’t hypothecated and does no such thing anyway, but there’s no reason they should be exempt). Adjust tax rates to reduce the discrepancy between the level of tax on earned income and investment income (some is justified to generate investment and risk taking, but the current level is too extreme with employees being taxed far too heavily proportionately). There’s absolutely no excuse for this Government or the last one not to have taken the measures in points 10) and 9) to fix the tax system given the very clear evidence of the economic harm that the current system is causing, suppressing growth and productivity. And certainly no excuse to be telling us they need to make “tough decisions” and make cuts/ raise taxes without taking these measures first. Restore the social contract: the quickest way to undermine public services entirely is to exclude those who are actually paying for them from using them. They will be paying their share AND for many others to access the same and in most European countries that is accepted and it works. If you start excluding higher earners from childcare funding etc you create perverse incentives in the tax system, discourage work from our most productive people, and condemn those public services to perpetual decline and cuts and well as creating further social division.

  11. Link up Government IT systems properly so that healthcare records, HMRC records, DWP records, CMS records are all linked together. Ask the Estonians if we can buy their integrated IT system from them given our Governments are so terrible at IT projects. This will enable much easier identification of fraud and tax evasion. Digital ID cards should be required and added to traders’ invoices so that their transactions are logged and they cannot do “cash work” and under-declare and make it an offence to pay for work over a de minimis value without this digital ID number to stamp out black market. These ID cards can also be used to reduce black market working generally. There is a huge amount of tax evasion going on. Implement a system like those in other countries where absent parents who don’t pay something resembling 50% of the cost of housing and raising their children (not the laughable current CMS rates) have their driving licences and passports confiscated and if they still don’t pay then they will be sent to prison i.e. treating these debts with the same severity as money owed to HMRC.

  12. All benefits other than disability benefits should be contributory like in most European countries, so that they resemble the insurance-based system that they were intended to be. This would enable them to be set at a level where they are a percentage of previous salary, again in line with most European countries, so that they do actually provide a genuine safety net for all sufficient to cover their baked-in existing living costs which is important for the social contract (and those with higher costs will have been paying proportionately more tax to fund this while working). This will also prevent people claiming unemployment benefits as a “career” without ever working at all (unless severely disabled). Benefits like the child element of UC should be replaced by an additional tax allowance based on the number of children (again, a model that’s worked well in other countries for decades) because this encourages work rather than disincentivising it, while still recognising the additional costs involved in raising children.

  13. Implement something akin to the EU Directive on Tax Transparency which Brexit was largely designed to avoid being implemented in the UK, requiring publication of the beneficial ownership of all accounts held in UK offshore tax haven territories. Reform rules around transfer pricing which enable large companies to move profits abroad and transfer costs into countries where revenue is generated to eliminate their profits. Reform the rules around dividend distribution linking them to the requirement to provide disclosures on long-term viability so that a company cannot make distributions unless it can demonstrate sufficient cash is being kept in the business to meet long-term investment requirements (e.g. water companies needing to invest in infrastructure as population changes/ upgrades are required).

These would be obvious first steps for a Government genuinely wanting to generate growth and rising living standards. None of it is rocket science.

Sensible and connected up thinking.

dressinggowns · 30/10/2025 22:21

I fear we are stuck in doom loop until this demographic bubble has passed......

Yep

222days · 30/10/2025 22:36

Mosaiccat · 30/10/2025 21:53

Sensible and connected up thinking.

Thank you.

The problem has been that there is no coherent plan and no joined-up thinking at all for decades, just endless tinkering around the edges of a broken system which is never going to fix anything. Spineless and cowardly, pointless and actually has made things worse than if we’d had no active legislative change at all because it has led to people losing belief that things can be improved. They can, but it would require competent people without vested interests to lead a genuine programme of change based on evidence, not ideologies.

Wholesale change is needed, with a coherent plan that is rational and economically credible. Treat voters like adults. So many are continually voting for the “least awful” option now and politically homeless and I believe would welcome any reasonable, moderate politician with evidence-based policies who entered the totally unoccupied centre ground and stated these harsh facts but also articulated a logically coherent vision of the steps out of the mess to give people some realistic hope.

People are turning to extremes in desperation: I don’t believe the average member of the UK public is generally extreme by nature. That’s never been our national culture. People just want stability, capable and rational economic management of the country so that they know that their living standards aren’t going to continue declining in perpetuity, and that there is a plan that has a prospect of working: that competent people are managing this for them - as they are paid to do! - so they don’t need to worry about it too much between elections and can get on with their lives. Mass interest in the minitiae of politics, frankly, shows that something has gone horribly wrong!

Is this really too much to ask?? That we could have competent Government even for a decade of so, to sort out this mess?

I think the vast majority of the UK public would breathe a sigh of relief if such a party existed that they could vote for and they could largely forget about politics until the next general election.

The only people who the polarisation and division serves are the politicians who’ve built a career upon it. Unsurprisingly, these people (like Farage) stoke it more because without it they have nothing at all: it is their route to power and, if in power, stoking it further is their only way to maintain this. Such an approach certainly won’t improve anything in the UK economy - at either extreme - or living standards and opportunity for UK citizens. Look at the periods of prosperity in any country. Did these occur when there was huge social division? Did exacerbating that social division make things any better? Again, it isn’t rocket science and history tells us everything we need to know.

I do find it hard to understand why anybody thinks it will improve matters to go even further towards extremes and shout at each other - largely about what might be significant issues to specific people based on their particular personal principles/ views but are trivialities and rounding errors economically - when all evidence from this country and all others who have gone through a similar process throughout history shows very clearly that it absolutely will not improve things for anybody to cause further division.

Only a few people will benefit from that, see the Blood on the Streets book co-authored by Sir William Rees-Mogg - the father of our “eminent” ex-MP - (subtitle on the front cover: “How to make money during an age of economic crisis”). Many such predators are funding various influences in our politics. It might be a good idea for anybody considering voting for Reform to take a look at who is funding that party and why, and indeed who funded Mr Farage’s previous political escapade to ensure the UK left the EU and why. Hint: they certainly have no care whatsoever for the living standards of the average UK family, or those who are doing rather well for themselves, or the poorest in our society who are largely who they have hoodwinked into supporting them by harnessing their distress and promising a plaster that will not be forthcoming, cruelly, to those who will suffer the most from their objectives.

It seems that unfortunately too many of the UK electorate are now so angry that their capacity has vanished to assess things based on evidence or identify the issues that actually matter economically for them, their children and their children’s children (even a grasp of basic numeracy and understanding the proportion of public spending used for each department, which is all publicly available information and at everyone’s fingertips on the internet, which show very clearly what needs to be addressed to change things and increase productivity and living standards. Yet time and time again on these threads there are endless discussions of trivialities and very little engagement at all with the actual economic issues that would change things).

I hope we might get a politician at some point who has a backbone and integrity and articulates a coherent, evidence-based policy programme and I think a sufficient proportion of the electorate would get behind it if they did. However, not a single MP in the House of Commons currently seems capable of doing so, and I think the system is set up in such a way as to prevent such a person from ever getting to a position to be able to do so. All we get to choose from are spineless and self-serving or so incompetent that they are incapable of their role that they are oblivious to what they are meant to be doing.

VaccineSticker · 30/10/2025 22:38

80smonster · 30/10/2025 10:05

Interesting, when this has been discussed previously, the majority on MN said they wanted to pay more tax for better services? That is what many opined during the private school VAT raid. Now the raid is on everyone’s pockets - we aren’t so keen? What a surprise. I’ve said it hundreds of times, but I’ll say it again: you’ll all have to pay. Taxation is for the many, not the few. Scandinavian countries where services are robust take more money from low and mid earners. I couldn’t be less shocked that Labour will be going after everyone…

People might agree with you if the tax was actually going to get invested in improving vital services.

However, from the what we have got so far is nothing. The VAT raid on private schools was and is of zero benefit to the state school system. Where has the money GONE?!!

Do you you really think the 2p tax is going to improve anything?

She explicitly said the extra tax is deigned to pay for 40billion worth of debt. So there you go.

222days · 30/10/2025 22:55

Bluegrassdfly · 30/10/2025 21:50

If I’m correct, 85% tax is too high to be charging.

That’s correct, the policy will lead to up to 85% tax for the inheritors. A teacher or nurse earning over £50k - hardly wealthy - would be charged 80% tax on the inherited money from a pension scheme.

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