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Small landlords selling off isn't a great news after all

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Goingindrain · 15/10/2025 16:45

My landlord is a small landlord, just owns his house and the one where we live. He is a nice man and charges us below the market rate rent.
He is fed up of all the anti landlord rules and has decided to sell. It seems he had an offer from FTB and then a big corporation put in an offer 10k over and he's selling it off to them via the agents.
I am worried about the rent going up and it's not a great news for tenants.

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FancyCatSlave · 15/10/2025 23:39

whoosit · 15/10/2025 23:28

So maybe someone can then buy your house and pay 7 or £800 month on a mortgage and foot all the other bills themselves.

The mortgage on it for someone with a 10% deposit will be in the region of £1500, 20% deposit £1300. Plus all the bills.

My lovely long term tenant and her cat however will be moving out on the 23 Nov when it goes on the market because she can’t pay that. She will be very lucky to find something as good locally because there is very little rental property. Me selling up is not improving her life one little bit.

Tauranga · 15/10/2025 23:43

I sold my flat. I was charging 850/ month. The rent went up to 1250 with the new landlord. My tenant had been in for 15 years, her daughter was brought up there. I couldn't keep the flat as in Scotland all my rights were being removed slowly, and this is my pension.

As it was the woman overstayed about 6 months which cost me thousands of pounds

Whammyyammy · 15/10/2025 23:44

Chiseltip · 15/10/2025 17:04

Well this is what all the tenants wanted.

Turkeys and Christmas.... oh well

JHound · 15/10/2025 23:46

Usyam · 15/10/2025 19:41

I don’t think you’re being asked to cry a tear for that person. The fact is, that person was a relatively reasonable landlord. Now replaced by massive businesses, often based abroad. Treating tenants a whole lot worse. Mr Audi has probably sold the six properties and emigrated.

You can’t be a “reasonable landlord” with 6 BTL.

You simply cannot.

PlanetMa · 15/10/2025 23:47

MJxJones · 15/10/2025 18:46

I'm aware of the renter rights bill I'm not sure how that impacts the small landlords being mentioned here? Most of the cases mentioned are talking about landlords who have happily rented their houses to long term tenants who are also happy with the arrangement?

Tax rules have also made it impossible for most individual landlords to cover their costs because - unlike any other business or sole trader - their revenue is taxed rather than profit, i.e. they must pay tax even when they’ve made a loss. For anybody who is a higher rate tax payer (which an increasing proportion of people with very standard jobs are due to fiscal drag) this means renting out a property which you do not own outright is very unlikely to be profitable, especially with higher interest rates on mortgages now. In no other industry are interest payments non-deductable.

Then you need to consider the time taken to manage maintenance & repairs (or cost of paying letting agents elevated fees to do this), paying insurance, compliance costs such as upgrading energy efficiency to a level that’s not worth it on a cost/ benefit ratio with much of our housing stock, and not having the economies of scale that a large business enjoys with all of these making the costs of this cheaper per property for a big business.

On top of this it is extortionately expensive and time-consuming to evict non-paying tenants who may also trash the property with no realistic prospect of recouping the money for the list rent or repairs. A large business can absorb some instances of this across their portfolio, an accidental landlord with one property cannot. And the business is only taxed on its profits, and pays a lower rate of tax on those profits than the private landlord is paying on revenue (uniquely, as no other sole trader of business in any industry does so) because there is already a the disparity between corporation tax and income tax, disadvantaging the unincorporated landlord as it does all of those in every industry who earn their income without being incorporated/ self-employed/ in a partnership.

These policies were very obviously designed to drive private landlords out of the market and have been effective and achieved their aim. They weren’t introduced for the benefits of tenants, however and anybody who thought that was the purpose was very naive indeed. It’s much like Brexit - convince the turkeys that the oven looks cosy. 🔥

For context I own my own home and am not a landlord so have no personal skin in the game, I simply find it very frustrating how many people continuously vote for policies that aren’t in their interests then appear surprised at the results, seemingly unable to think through obvious (and intended) consequences. See also the recent polling about how many people in working class areas are supporting Reform: some people never learn.

JHound · 15/10/2025 23:48

PrincessofWells · 15/10/2025 22:13

Nobody is asking you to. But shedding a tear for the tenants for whom it's now impossible to find anywhere to live and for tenants whose rents are higher due to the lack of supply is a more appropriate response.

We shall see if that happens.

But I will never care about somebody with 6 investment properties. They also have a part to play in tenants stuck being tenants.

Irritatedandsad · 15/10/2025 23:49

Small landlords support the economy and other people. Many care deeply about their property, keeping it in good repair, it was often a home they previously lived in and have an emotional connection to.
I know this because I am a small landlord who rents the property I actually live in from another small landlord. And guess what I am selling my property and they are selling theirs.
I feel sorry for my tenant and sorry for myself as we love this house and our house we own. But it is not suatainable financially. Its a huge headache and our house we own is in an area where families are crying out for good quality rentals. One more off the market and still not a hope in hell of many people getting on the ladder with wages still stagnating.

Irritatedandsad · 15/10/2025 23:53

I know quite a few other small landlords too, noone is making profit. In fact i know people that are making quite a loss but unable to sell in this market.

Irritatedandsad · 15/10/2025 23:56

JHound · 15/10/2025 23:48

We shall see if that happens.

But I will never care about somebody with 6 investment properties. They also have a part to play in tenants stuck being tenants.

It is wage stagnantion and cost of living not landlords that cause tenants to be stuck being tenants. Most small landlords just market properties at market rate and to cover costs. Costs have gone up due to mortgage rate and tax and regulatory requirements. Passed onto the tenants or the landlord will make a loss. The landlords arent dictating any of these.

LizzyEm · 15/10/2025 23:57

beanbaggirs · 15/10/2025 17:25

But this is what all the anti-landlord labour voting people wanted so

Did they want this? Or did they want a system more similar to other European countries?

😂😂😂

Have you seen what goes on in Spain?

JHound · 16/10/2025 00:00

Irritatedandsad · 15/10/2025 23:56

It is wage stagnantion and cost of living not landlords that cause tenants to be stuck being tenants. Most small landlords just market properties at market rate and to cover costs. Costs have gone up due to mortgage rate and tax and regulatory requirements. Passed onto the tenants or the landlord will make a loss. The landlords arent dictating any of these.

I did not say they “cause it” but that those hoarding properties (and somebody with SIX BTLs is hoarding properties) has a “part to play”.

JHound · 16/10/2025 00:01

LizzyEm · 15/10/2025 23:57

😂😂😂

Have you seen what goes on in Spain?

Spain is one country.

PlanetMa · 16/10/2025 00:03

Frankly anybody would be mad to get involved in the hassle of it. Unfair existing tax rules and ongoing legislative risk, huge regulatory burden, huge market risks, lack of diversification, tenant risk, compliance costs, legal risk, high chance of non-payment, stressful and time consuming. Why would anybody do this rather than just buy a tracker fund and relax?

TempestTost · 16/10/2025 00:03

We are also getting out of the rental business OP, not in the UK but for identical reasons.

We aren't selling the property because it's where our business operates out of - the apartment just happened to be part of the building and we thought, since there is a serious housing issue here, we should rent it.

We'd never do it again, one bad tenant and it's impossible to get rid of them for months upon months if they know how to play the system, while we lose money.

We'll use it as some extra office and storage space, so it won't be housing any more at all.

JHound · 16/10/2025 00:04

Laralou991 · 15/10/2025 23:13

There are significantly more costs associated with being a landlord including:
-interest rates on BTL are higher
-tax
-backed up fund for replacing boiler/ windows/ structural stuff
-ongoing repairs
-periods of vacancy
-management fees

all small landlords I know do not make a profit. It’s only when they sell, which now the housing market is flooded with flats they’re not able to do so

Sounds like the perfect time to be a first time buyer if you don’t mind a flat!

Livelovebehappy · 16/10/2025 00:11

AluckyEllie · 15/10/2025 23:16

Jesus I genuinely had no idea about Lloyd’s becoming the UK’s biggest landlord. Madness. Surely this stops the general sale of houses (moving location/upsizing/downsizing/inheritance) as the company won’t need to sell. Are we going to become a nation of enforced renters?

I think though that the benefit of corporation rentals will make the tenant more likely with a safe long term rental. For many who rent privately there’s always that big risk of the landlord selling up, and having to move as a result.

JHound · 16/10/2025 00:13

Gruffporcupine · 15/10/2025 19:44

Landlord haters (whose perspective I do understand, I rented for 10 years) should have been careful what they wished for. Having Blackrock as your landlord may be far worse than a normal person renting out their old flat.

I have always had a better experience renting from corporates / via agencies than small individuals. The latter never want to spend money fixing anything.

JHound · 16/10/2025 00:14

HappiestSleeping · 15/10/2025 19:51

But this is what all the anti-landlord labour voting people wanted so

Even though the Conservative party started most of the changes?

Edited

Don’t bring facts into this discussion.

PlanetMa · 16/10/2025 00:18

Livelovebehappy · 16/10/2025 00:11

I think though that the benefit of corporation rentals will make the tenant more likely with a safe long term rental. For many who rent privately there’s always that big risk of the landlord selling up, and having to move as a result.

Possibly. But wait and see what the consolidation in the market will do to average rents. Hint: they won’t be going down.

saraclara · 16/10/2025 00:20

My friend lives in a country where renting is the norm and landlords are corporate. It never occurs to her that she will ever be forced to move. The property that she rents is hers for as long as she wants it.

I'd feel far more secure in such a rental, than I would renting from Joe or Jane Bloggs who have one or two properties that they bought when buy to let was seen as easy money. They're very likely to sell to raise retirement funds, or because it's just a pain in the neck/not at profitable as they thought, or any other life event makes it a good idea to sell.

Renting through Lloyds is likely to be a much more secure life, especially if you have kids and you don't want them to be having to change school every five minutes.

PlanetMa · 16/10/2025 00:20

JHound · 16/10/2025 00:04

Sounds like the perfect time to be a first time buyer if you don’t mind a flat!

Escalating services charges (which will largely be determined by the corporations owning the other flats who will be a majority of the owners), cladding and insurance issues, and the joys of leasehold as well for many.

There’s a reason why there are so many flats on the market and nobody wants to buy them, and it’s not just because of the lack of a garden and the noise issues from neighbours.

Irritatedandsad · 16/10/2025 00:22

JHound · 16/10/2025 00:00

I did not say they “cause it” but that those hoarding properties (and somebody with SIX BTLs is hoarding properties) has a “part to play”.

But there are far, far more properties for sale than for rent. In my entire borough, I just did a search on right move, there are 2759 properties for sale. There are 846 for rent.
I actually spoke to an agent about this the other day too. There are so many properties for sale, how can you say that a landlord with 6 properties is hoarding properties, when there are plenty of properties for sale, we don't even need more properties for sale, there are plenty. If the landlords all sell up then it still wont solve any problems for people who want to buy these properties. They just cant afford them full stop.
The problem is there arent enough properties for people who want to rent. So we actually need more landlords not less.
And also people cant afford to buy when they want to, as wages have not risen with property prices.
There is not a shortage of housing, there is a shortage of affordable housing to buy and rent.

JHound · 16/10/2025 00:23

ARichtGoodDram · 15/10/2025 23:31

If you build social housing it pushes shit landlords out of the market.

We had three rounds of social housing built locally over the last few years. It hasn't affected me as a landlord at all - my properties are well maintained and aren't remotely extortionate. Several other landlords I know sold up because their poorly maintained, overpriced crap places weren't wanted because the movement of a load of people into the new social housing gave tenants more choice. People went from having 10/15 applicants for each flat to far fewer, and rents generally haven't gone up anywhere near as much as in other places.

One of my tenants (I have two flats in the same building) got a social housing place after waiting for 9 years. I was half expecting to sell up, but the council introduced me to another tenant that could do with the adaptions my flat has. Apparently in April the council will be offering to buy the flat again, but we've been through this four times before and it never ends up going through (even though I accept the price offered every time - no haggling as it's fair).

This only helps those on low salaries. Not those on higher incomes not yet positioned to buy.

JHound · 16/10/2025 00:29

PlanetMa · 16/10/2025 00:20

Escalating services charges (which will largely be determined by the corporations owning the other flats who will be a majority of the owners), cladding and insurance issues, and the joys of leasehold as well for many.

There’s a reason why there are so many flats on the market and nobody wants to buy them, and it’s not just because of the lack of a garden and the noise issues from neighbours.

A lot of it is people preferring a garden or lack of deposit. With more flats on the market leading to lower sales prices those fine with apartment living (and I know many who prefer it) will be in a good position right now.

JHound · 16/10/2025 00:31

Irritatedandsad · 16/10/2025 00:22

But there are far, far more properties for sale than for rent. In my entire borough, I just did a search on right move, there are 2759 properties for sale. There are 846 for rent.
I actually spoke to an agent about this the other day too. There are so many properties for sale, how can you say that a landlord with 6 properties is hoarding properties, when there are plenty of properties for sale, we don't even need more properties for sale, there are plenty. If the landlords all sell up then it still wont solve any problems for people who want to buy these properties. They just cant afford them full stop.
The problem is there arent enough properties for people who want to rent. So we actually need more landlords not less.
And also people cant afford to buy when they want to, as wages have not risen with property prices.
There is not a shortage of housing, there is a shortage of affordable housing to buy and rent.

Because somebody with six BTL is hoarding properties. That’s far from a small / accidental landlord.

And they have a part to play.