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Thread 17: To feel disappointed after reading this in The Observer about the author and her husband from The Salt Path book and film?

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DisappointedReader · 02/09/2025 13:42

The Observer's original exposé: The real Salt Path: how a blockbuster book and film were ...
The 14 Observer items currently available on their online 'The real Salt Path' page: The real Salt Path | The Observer
More from The Observer:
‘Hope is extinguished’: CBD patients respond to Salt Path...
The real Salt Path | The Observer (The Slow Newscast)
Links to more Observer videos can be found in an early post of this new thread and here: Observer YouTube Channel: The Observer UK - YouTube
Working timeline and references: can be found in early posts of this new Thread 17.
Raynor Winn/Sally Walker's statement: Raynor Winn
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Threads 2-11: Links all in the OP of Thread 12
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New posters joining us in the genuine spirit of our civil discourse are welcome. It would be helpful to get the background from at least some of the Observer items above before posting.
To all - Please be extremely cautious when it comes to naming or implicating people and addresses not in the public eye or with no direct connection to the story, and around the understandable health speculations, especially where details are unclear or still emerging. Remember, even Hollywood rabbits attract the odd flea. Please do not engage with visitors who seem to have their own agenda and seek to derail. Avoid @'ing and quoting them as - from experience - this will only encourage them back to the threads. We have done amazingly well together for sixteen very interesting, very serious and very silly threads so far. I can't be here as much as I'd like so all help with keeping our discussion walking along in our usual reasonable and respectful fashion is very welcome.

Yes, it really is Thread 17. I'm as in need of smelling salts as the next person.

We seek them here, we seek them there, mumsnetters seek them everywhere: just where are the elusive How not to Dal dy Dir and On Winter Hill?

#handwavium #appropriation

Keep to the path. No saltiness. May the fudge be with you.

The real Salt Path: how a blockbuster book and film were ...

The real Salt Path: how a blockbuster book and film were ...

Penniless and homeless, the Winns found fame and fortune with the story of their 630-mile walk to salvation. We can reveal that the truth behind it is ve...

https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/the-real-salt-path-how-the-couple-behind-a-bestseller-left-a-trail-of-debt-and-deceit

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Peladon · 16/09/2025 09:43

PS: Though I seem to remember CH saying that she (CH) had offered to speak "off the record" several times, and that the statement in the rebuttal was just wrong.

Pissenlit · 16/09/2025 09:44

Peladon · 16/09/2025 09:32

The offer to help The Observer to "be guided on the truth", but only on the basis that The Observer was banned from disclosing it, sounds odd.

Perhaps the plan was to tell The Observer that: the NDA banned poor SW from speaking; she would go out on a limb and break the non-disclosure obligation in a secret discussion with The Observer; but she didn't want to take the risk of anyone finding out that she had broken it.

As to what explanations SW (and/or her lawyers) would have given in a secret discussion with The Observer, called to provide "guidance on the truth", the mind boggles. I suppose she could have said that mistakes were made, but not by her. No one would have known what she'd said.

It does suggest SW doesn’t understand the point of investigative journalism, though! CH said at the Observer event many of us attended online that, unusually, when she first discussed the story with her editor, her editor suggested she contact SW immediately, rather than later, presumably to see if there was a simple explanation for whatever her original source had flagged. It was SW”s one opportunity to shut down the story, but it’s not clear to me that there’s anything she could have said to stop it. ‘Winn is my maiden name and Raynor is a family name I’ve always preferred to my own, Moth is a nickname for Timothy, so neither of those things are mysterious, and I can send you documentation of his illness’?

I can’t remember what the issues CH’s original source flagged, though — did CH have the embezzlement on her radar from the start, or just the different names and Tim appearing to be perfectly well many years after a terminal diagnosis?

Because there’s no way of closing down the embezzlement story if CH had that from the start, but, if she didn’t, you’d think it wouldn’t have been hard to produce a few medical letters, even if the dates were later, and say, ‘I chose a more striking pen name, and referred to my husband by a nickname in my books, I’m not undercover!’ in such a way as to give the impression there’s not enough to be worth investigating.

I was listening to Marina Hyde talking about investigative journalism on TRIE last week, and how months and years of work, sometimes involving incurring expenses for freelancers, or going undercover inside an organisation, may not translate into a story at all.

BeguiledSilence · 16/09/2025 10:00

@Peladon I can’t remember what the issues CH’s original source flagged, though — did CH have the embezzlement on her radar from the start, or just the different names and Tim appearing to be perfectly well many years after a terminal diagnosis?

It was just someone who had met them and knew their real names - but had no evidence.

RainyTuesdaysAndSunnyWednesdays · 16/09/2025 10:29

BeguiledSilence · 16/09/2025 10:00

@Peladon I can’t remember what the issues CH’s original source flagged, though — did CH have the embezzlement on her radar from the start, or just the different names and Tim appearing to be perfectly well many years after a terminal diagnosis?

It was just someone who had met them and knew their real names - but had no evidence.

CH said at the first part of the live meeting that someone had contacted her to say that they had "suspicions they were misrepresenting moth's illness, that they were in some way exaggerating it." They also provided their real names and the town they had lived in, in Wales.

BeguiledSilence · 16/09/2025 10:31

@Pissenlit sorry got the wrong name for the poster.

I read that it was the health claims that was the decider for The Observer to do the expose. So glad they weren't 'guided by the truth' - such a creepy thought in the light of everything we now know.

DreamyHiker · 16/09/2025 10:35

Choux · 16/09/2025 08:17

True. We don’t know if he continued to work elsewhere. The 2015 consultant letter said he had managed to work up until ‘a couple of years ago’ so that would be working till 2013.

But if they were both working post 2004 albeit Sally part time and she was embezzling c£1k a month and they extended the mortgage from £40k in 1992 to £230k at the point they were evicted then where did all the money go???

Yes they renovated the Wales house and holiday let and bought the ramshackle house in France but that doesn’t account for over £300k of spending (£190k mortgage increase plus £64k embezzlement and then rounded up to include a little post tax earnings).

Were they living some jet set lifestyle? Was there actually an investment of some sort which went wrong similar to what was outlined in the book? What does that nephew know about their ‘pathological’ lying?

Also reported that at the time of the court case in 2010 that neither of them were in paid employment.

PrettyDamnCosmic · 16/09/2025 10:43

Peladon · 16/09/2025 09:32

The offer to help The Observer to "be guided on the truth", but only on the basis that The Observer was banned from disclosing it, sounds odd.

Perhaps the plan was to tell The Observer that: the NDA banned poor SW from speaking; she would go out on a limb and break the non-disclosure obligation in a secret discussion with The Observer; but she didn't want to take the risk of anyone finding out that she had broken it.

As to what explanations SW (and/or her lawyers) would have given in a secret discussion with The Observer, called to provide "guidance on the truth", the mind boggles. I suppose she could have said that mistakes were made, but not by her. No one would have known what she'd said.

The NDA was signed by Martin Hemmings not SW.

AncientHarpy · 16/09/2025 10:45

RainyTuesdaysAndSunnyWednesdays · 16/09/2025 10:29

CH said at the first part of the live meeting that someone had contacted her to say that they had "suspicions they were misrepresenting moth's illness, that they were in some way exaggerating it." They also provided their real names and the town they had lived in, in Wales.

Edited

That's interesting, isn't it? That the voiced suspicion was misrepresentation of the illness, but the knowledge included, not just their real names (which seem to have been widely known in Polruan, if we believe that blogger) but, crucially, their previous home place in Wales.

If it were someone from Pwllheli, you'd imagine they'd have led with the rumours of criminal activity and a moonlight flit (which must surely have been doing the rounds locally from before the NDA) or at the very least unpaid bills and a dodgy reputation, rather than the health stuff, wouldn't you? It was clearly the identification of Pwllheli that led CH to Ros Hemmings, and opened up the entire embezzlement backstory, but that's not what the source led with.

Can the Walkers have been dopey enough to namedrop Pwllheli in Polruan? Or was Moth using the name Tim Walker when he was studying and was indiscreet? Because presumably someone from Pwllheli is unlikely to have been au fait with Tim's exact state of health in the present, so the source seems more likely to have been someone who had been around Tim recently enough to think the books' claims of a terminal degenerative illness were false...? But that person also, crucially, knew where they'd previously lived.

Choux · 16/09/2025 10:51

BeguiledSilence · 16/09/2025 10:00

@Peladon I can’t remember what the issues CH’s original source flagged, though — did CH have the embezzlement on her radar from the start, or just the different names and Tim appearing to be perfectly well many years after a terminal diagnosis?

It was just someone who had met them and knew their real names - but had no evidence.

I still think this must have been the cider farm owner. Worked in London so would know how to contact a journalist plus had been told by Tim that he had 2 months to live and then didn’t die. Plus the tenancy would have been in their legal names. I imagine they had semi frequent conversations prior and post moving in and it would have been normal as part of one of those to be discussing the backgrounds of their lives and mention they had lived in North Wales.

DreamyHiker · 16/09/2025 10:58

I find it interesting that CH provided anonymity to the distant relatives providing the emergency loan to the Walkers but as far as i can see no one else has been able to find who they were or who was the liquidator of their company or details of the repossession court case - this suggests to me that they were also a source for CHs expose.

AncientHarpy · 16/09/2025 11:06

Choux · 16/09/2025 10:51

I still think this must have been the cider farm owner. Worked in London so would know how to contact a journalist plus had been told by Tim that he had 2 months to live and then didn’t die. Plus the tenancy would have been in their legal names. I imagine they had semi frequent conversations prior and post moving in and it would have been normal as part of one of those to be discussing the backgrounds of their lives and mention they had lived in North Wales.

It's absolutely possible.

I suppose my only quibble is that there's a lengthy gap between Bill Cole having the 'The doctors say not to plan anything for after Christmas' conversation with TW in October 2021 and then, after they'd abruptly left his farm a year before the end of their tenancy, reading the directly contradictory account of Tim's health in Landlines in which areas of his brain had apparently spontaneously regenerated after the walk home from northern Scotland (which BC could only have read a year later than the conversation in 2022, after LL came out in paperback) and the appearance of the Observer story in 2025.

Has Ch given a date for the communication from her source? Or said how long she'd worked on the story before publication? I suppose it's perfectly possible BC communicated his suspicions in 2022 or 2023 and she was working on other things and didn't start to investigate for some time.

BeguiledSilence · 16/09/2025 11:06

@AncientHarpy Can the Walkers have been dopey enough to namedrop Pwllheli in Polruan? Or was Moth using the name Tim Walker when he was studying and was indiscreet?

No, I think that is why he used the much wider geographical area 'Snowdonia', as reported in the Falmouth Packet.

AncientHarpy · 16/09/2025 11:12

DreamyHiker · 16/09/2025 10:58

I find it interesting that CH provided anonymity to the distant relatives providing the emergency loan to the Walkers but as far as i can see no one else has been able to find who they were or who was the liquidator of their company or details of the repossession court case - this suggests to me that they were also a source for CHs expose.

But one of the two creditors to whom the loan was sold on after the failure of 'James's' business has spoken to the press, hasn't he? And the original provider of the loan was identified (on here? elsewhere? my brain is addled) as likely to be TW's half-uncle?

Or am I hallucinating this...?

Choux · 16/09/2025 11:15

AncientHarpy · 16/09/2025 11:06

It's absolutely possible.

I suppose my only quibble is that there's a lengthy gap between Bill Cole having the 'The doctors say not to plan anything for after Christmas' conversation with TW in October 2021 and then, after they'd abruptly left his farm a year before the end of their tenancy, reading the directly contradictory account of Tim's health in Landlines in which areas of his brain had apparently spontaneously regenerated after the walk home from northern Scotland (which BC could only have read a year later than the conversation in 2022, after LL came out in paperback) and the appearance of the Observer story in 2025.

Has Ch given a date for the communication from her source? Or said how long she'd worked on the story before publication? I suppose it's perfectly possible BC communicated his suspicions in 2022 or 2023 and she was working on other things and didn't start to investigate for some time.

Perhaps the ‘trigger’ for Bill was seeing film publicity shots where Tim looks exceptionally well standing alongside Hollywood stars. The man who was supposed to have been dead 4 years ago was looking better than ever.

PearlClutches · 16/09/2025 11:19

They must surely be aware of these threads by now. Have either of them popped up yet on mumsnet? 😂

Choux · 16/09/2025 11:20

BeguiledSilence · 16/09/2025 11:06

@AncientHarpy Can the Walkers have been dopey enough to namedrop Pwllheli in Polruan? Or was Moth using the name Tim Walker when he was studying and was indiscreet?

No, I think that is why he used the much wider geographical area 'Snowdonia', as reported in the Falmouth Packet.

It only takes one seemingly innocuous mention to a person with a good memory. If someone said oh I know snowdonia - did you live near X? And then Sal/Tim says ‘no it was up near Pwllheli. Around X is beautiful though, we used to go walking there”.

AncientHarpy · 16/09/2025 11:24

BeguiledSilence · 16/09/2025 11:06

@AncientHarpy Can the Walkers have been dopey enough to namedrop Pwllheli in Polruan? Or was Moth using the name Tim Walker when he was studying and was indiscreet?

No, I think that is why he used the much wider geographical area 'Snowdonia', as reported in the Falmouth Packet.

Well, I can imagine that's what he'd say to the press.

I was, I suppose, wondering if he'd been less discreet around fellow-students, one of whom started smelling something off as they remembered the jolly, talkative, apparently perfectly healthy man on their course who, by his wife's account, was at this stage very frail and unwell, forgetful, walking in a lopsided way, with bad hand tremors that made if difficult to use a pen to write or a knife and fork, unable to look at a screen for more than a few minutes, liable to drive off in the wrong direction to go to campus, and who needed to be issued with a 'to do' list daily -- wouldn't people TW had built a garden with, and who'd been around him daily writing notes etc have noticed a discrepancy?

DreamyHiker · 16/09/2025 11:26

AncientHarpy · 16/09/2025 11:12

But one of the two creditors to whom the loan was sold on after the failure of 'James's' business has spoken to the press, hasn't he? And the original provider of the loan was identified (on here? elsewhere? my brain is addled) as likely to be TW's half-uncle?

Or am I hallucinating this...?

Your first point is correct - I think he was identified by the Mail. Interesting to know if he is now pursuing recovery of the loan - usually additional secured lenders don't bother when all the value in the property is taken by the mortgage lender, but then the borrower doesn't then come into substantial gains through another route.

on the second point, i haven’t seen James's identity been revealed. If it was it might allow more of the story to be revealed through the liquidation of his company and the court case.

AncientHarpy · 16/09/2025 11:28

PearlClutches · 16/09/2025 11:19

They must surely be aware of these threads by now. Have either of them popped up yet on mumsnet? 😂

In their shoes, I'd keep schtum and keep reading.

There was a recurrent poster several threads back who seemed absolutely outraged by the Ch story and the threads, but you'd have to be pretty dopey to actually start posting. (Then again... Smile)

BeguiledSilence · 16/09/2025 11:30

@AncientHarpy @Choux Yes. Although some of this is rather circular. Previously, I said, on here, I thought it must be Bill - and then the response was that it was someone who knew about Pwllheli!

But that is fine with me - that's why we're thrashing it out. I have changed my mind on this though. I feel it goes back further in their history but I don't want to speculate on who. Chloe said that the person does not feel they can come forward yet.

It is just that I wondered about their reasons for not going back to France - after they had bought a property they couldn't afford. I have reasons for knowing that people like them will fabricate in ever-increasing layers. It is uncomfortable to discuss but maybe the 'cancer diagnosis' was not merely a condition lost in translation.

AncientHarpy · 16/09/2025 11:31

DreamyHiker · 16/09/2025 11:26

Your first point is correct - I think he was identified by the Mail. Interesting to know if he is now pursuing recovery of the loan - usually additional secured lenders don't bother when all the value in the property is taken by the mortgage lender, but then the borrower doesn't then come into substantial gains through another route.

on the second point, i haven’t seen James's identity been revealed. If it was it might allow more of the story to be revealed through the liquidation of his company and the court case.

It may have been only on here, then, by one of the posters who'd been doing genealogical/contextual research on both families.

I can't remember with how much certainty the identification was made, but from what I remember, they tentatively identified the loan as having probably come from TW's half-uncle? I don't remember on what grounds.

Apologies to whichever poster it was if I'm misremembering.

DreamyHiker · 16/09/2025 11:37

I suspect CH's original informant could just have easily have been a relative - I get the feeling that there might be quite a lot of history floating around in that family over and above that of which we are aware.

BeguiledSilence · 16/09/2025 12:02

PearlClutches · 16/09/2025 11:19

They must surely be aware of these threads by now. Have either of them popped up yet on mumsnet? 😂

I think it must be the poster @AncientHarpy was referring to - but there was a very determined saboteuse who advised anyone reading not to join these threads. So, of course, that is when I joined in, and others said they did too, it was Thread 9.

No evidence of anyone with any real insider information ... so far ....

AncientHarpy · 16/09/2025 12:08

DreamyHiker · 16/09/2025 11:37

I suspect CH's original informant could just have easily have been a relative - I get the feeling that there might be quite a lot of history floating around in that family over and above that of which we are aware.

Yes, you can imagine an adult child phoning home and getting regular updates:

'Your aunt Sally's just been round begging for money to pay off someone who's trying to put her in jail.'

'Did I tell you your aunt Sally's house has been repossessed? Pity. Lovely powder-blue Aga.'

'Your aunt Sally's now a celebrated author, apparently. Still with that workshy husband of hers, the one she always says is dying.'

Or maybe they shake their heads in the Walker family and say Time used to be quite nice till he fell into the hands of that nutter.

AncientHarpy · 16/09/2025 13:01

AncientHarpy · 16/09/2025 12:08

Yes, you can imagine an adult child phoning home and getting regular updates:

'Your aunt Sally's just been round begging for money to pay off someone who's trying to put her in jail.'

'Did I tell you your aunt Sally's house has been repossessed? Pity. Lovely powder-blue Aga.'

'Your aunt Sally's now a celebrated author, apparently. Still with that workshy husband of hers, the one she always says is dying.'

Or maybe they shake their heads in the Walker family and say Time used to be quite nice till he fell into the hands of that nutter.

TIM used to be quite nice, sorry!

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