Civil Service internship. Only children of the "working class"

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If your child is coming up for 14 and interested in a career in the Civil Service and you have a job in a profession or that means you pay a lot of tax, I suggest you down tools now.

As reported in the Telegraph,

Civil Service internships will only be offered to students from lower income families in a bid to make Whitehall more working class, ministers have announced.

Only young people from “lower socio-economic backgrounds” will be able to apply to Whitehall’s internship programme, the Cabinet Office has said.

A student will be judged eligible depending on what jobs their parents did when they were 14. Students with parents who are receptionists, electricians, plumbers, butchers or van drivers would be among those eligible for the programme.

Pupils in state schools get good results too, they just don’t get the unfair advantages and contacts on top. Private education is out of the pockets of most of the population hence only 7% being privately educated which the top jobs should reflect.

I don’t know why top unis and jobs in all sectors don’t have a 7% privately educated limit. You could then expand on CO and help for the poorest. Everybody would have more chances and social
mobility would improve hugely.

It’s the fact I’ve thought for 20seconds that I can see this for what it is. It’s the fact I’m not blinded by accepting everything Labour do as being for the good of the people. It’s the ability to scrutinise

This is a Labour policy

Why would we think there was any sense in it

We’ve already seen what Labours like

They didn’t research educ tax
They didn’t look fully at impacts for the PIP changes
They think women have willies
They ignore peoples comments on planning issues = not democratic
etc
etc
etc

So Why would we think Labour have done any research this time round
They twist the very little they do ( if any) to fit the policy…we’ve seen that already

This is just about votes

I don’t know why top unis and jobs in all sectors don’t have a 7% privately educated limit.

Because this is not the Soviet Union.

Although it certainly seems some would be happy to live there

Benefitting 200 kids is about votes? Are you serious?

The school isn’t saying that though, is it?
House prices and inequality are. If you found a small cheap place there, or lodged with another family, you could. You don’t have to have the money spare. Though I am in favour of equalising catchments more.

Well that’s a lot of assumption and misrepresentation.
Why do you think the inequality in top jobs exists?

Most people won’t even get that far in realising it’s only 200 kids. Most people don’t get past the headlines and delve into things

Its a headliner
I appreciate all parties do this

Look what happened after the Brexit bus

Because a higher % of pupils are educated privately at sixth form level. If it was limited to 7%, private school sixth formers would be discriminated against. Maybe do some proper research before you start proposing policies.

No we chose so my children could do intensive sport 6 days a week because that was more important to us than any future academics or potential career. I know of no state school that offered that locally. That outweighed everything else.

You’re the one who said it’s for votes. So you didn’t look either?
I’m pretty sure a small (even if you don’t realise how small) internship being available to one sector of society won’t have much effect on votes. (Apart from people on this thread who think it’s communism/unfair/showing hatred of the middle class I suppose. But I don’t think that’s what you mean).

So you bought him that advantage then. Something another child (most other children) couldn’t have.

Ok so whatever the percentage is, the idea is clear.

It’s 17%. Now we could discuss why this is (it’s not because of a massive switch to private at A level, although that is a factor) but leaving that aside, maybe that should be the limit then? Or say 20-25% to allow for outliers.

Agree completely.

Just look at the number of old Etonians in senior political positions recently to see why this is important.

Some people can't see beyond the end of their own nose.

Are you going to have exceptions for certain courses because some wouldn’t be cost effective to run anymore if it wasn’t for privately educated pupils? For example classics, certain MFL’s. Very few state schools offer Latin or German, for example. And the current Government has no interest in encouraging those subjects in state schools.

I think it’s called positive discrimination. This will be of zero surprise to my kids as we’ve already discussed why their poorly behaved cohorts at primary win most of the awards and certificates. It’s frustrating but I still think hard work wins through eventually and most doors if you knock loud enough will open.

LOL at 1. Finding a "cheap place" within those catchments and 2. Lodging with another family in the catchment 😂 in my city those options just aren't a thing.

The best school's catchment is absolutely tiny and even cramped 2 bed flats cost £400k+++. Rent is absolutely extortionate (thousands per month) and families paying £1m + for a house won't fancy having or need lodgers!

Not sure Latin needs to be high on any priority list. The vast majority of the state educated population have real life problems .

It would result in some university courses ending. Is that what you want? Or maybe universities could just take those that are the best qualified for the course…we need to quite with the class obsession. Interestingly, as a Northern, working class, former free school meals girl, the class prejudice that I have faced has come from fellow working class Northerers (including family members) who think I have got above my station…One of my colleagues (who isn’t British or white) described it as people having chips on their shoulder.

Why are you policing what other people choose to do with their money? I hope you are showing the same lever of distain for those who smoke or drink or get their lashes, nails, Botox, fillers and attend hair appointments regularly.

you could say that about anything you purchase your children. People with money will be able to pay for lessons on anything. Train drivers can afford to pay for footballing lessons for their kids/ extra tutoring etc. children who may grow up disadvantaged but can speak 3 languages have an advantage over other children who can’t speak another language. Children who are born academic have an advantage over other children who aren’t born academic. Children who only have 1 sibling have an advantage over parental resources over a children who have 5 siblings. Where does it stop?

Lots of courses are ending anyway as unis struggle with numbers going down and lack of money. It is what it is. Unis definitely shouldn’t be propping up useless courses most of the whole population can’t access due to not being able to afford private education. I’d rather they spent what little money there is on useful courses.

Since when are adults in their 20s ‘kids’?