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To feel disappointed after reading this in The Observer about the author and her husband from The Salt Path book and film?

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DisappointedReader · 06/07/2025 02:04

The real Salt Path: how the couple behind a bestseller le...

I read Raynor Winn's book The Salt Path and her other two books. I was looking forward to seeing the film at some point and to reading her next book. I felt sorry to read about the challenges the couple had faced, especially with regard to losing their family home and with Moth's health. Now, having read the article in today's Observer, I feel a bit stunned and am not sure what to think.

The real Salt Path: how the couple behind a bestseller le...

The real Salt Path: how the couple behind a bestseller le...

Penniless and homeless, the Winns found fame and fortune with the story of their 630-mile walk to salvation. We can reveal it was far from the truth

https://observer.co.uk/news/national/article/the-real-salt-path-how-the-couple-behind-a-bestseller-left-a-trail-of-debt-and-deceit

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Grapewrath · 06/07/2025 13:13

I can see this being a Netflix documentary like apple cider vinegar. Would serve the pair of grifting scum bags right

WestwardHo1 · 06/07/2025 13:13

"I put a tent in the bedroom to feel safe"

Yeah pull the other one Sal. You were laughing all the way to your Tempur mattress weren't you?

NewGoldFox · 06/07/2025 13:13

The name Moth should’ve been our first clue 🤔

Comet33 · 06/07/2025 13:14

I don't know much about raffling houses, can someone explain what the outcome would have been if someone had won their house while it outstanding debts against?

Would the winner have been liable for the debts?
Would the raffle just be null & void?

Jarstastic · 06/07/2025 13:14

I found her quite annoying in the book. And she basically admits in the acknowledgments section in the text about her daughter that she set out with the intention of writing a book.

Some of the things in the article can be checked by anyone now their real names are known eg land registry search (albeit at cost) will reveal name of the relative.

Surely on Mumsnet someone must know them IRL from before to know if they do have a child called Rowan etc? one person came across Moth in their old job, but I’m surprised that’s it!

KeepTalkingBeth · 06/07/2025 13:14

I think there's like more @AWanderingFool as they seem to exhibit a pattern of deceitful behaviour. I wonder if they moved to quiet, small North Wales town in order to leave something unsavoury behind back in England. In terms of fraud skills I imagine you don't go from a blameless existence to almost getting away with embezzling your employer out of £64k overnight.

Roomwithaview2019 · 06/07/2025 13:15

What luck for the distant relative that bailed them out with a £100k loan, that then got passed on to other ppl... some facts missing here as well as private agreements not related to a business dont get passed on to random ppl without their being some relavance surely.

AWanderingFool · 06/07/2025 13:16

KeepTalkingBeth · 06/07/2025 13:14

I think there's like more @AWanderingFool as they seem to exhibit a pattern of deceitful behaviour. I wonder if they moved to quiet, small North Wales town in order to leave something unsavoury behind back in England. In terms of fraud skills I imagine you don't go from a blameless existence to almost getting away with embezzling your employer out of £64k overnight.

Apparently she told them that she'd lost her previous job, I'm now wondering how much of a cloud she left under...

Rainbow321 · 06/07/2025 13:17

AWanderingFool · 06/07/2025 13:00

Did they read any of the three articles?

Some people just want to believe.

Yes I posted it to our shared WhatsApp .

Comet33 · 06/07/2025 13:19

Jarstastic · 06/07/2025 13:14

I found her quite annoying in the book. And she basically admits in the acknowledgments section in the text about her daughter that she set out with the intention of writing a book.

Some of the things in the article can be checked by anyone now their real names are known eg land registry search (albeit at cost) will reveal name of the relative.

Surely on Mumsnet someone must know them IRL from before to know if they do have a child called Rowan etc? one person came across Moth in their old job, but I’m surprised that’s it!

Just be careful trying to find their children while posting on a social media site like here - it veers close to doxxing

I also don't think its fair to their children to br subjected to publicity and amateur investigations because of the actions of their parents. This press must be awful for them.

Aspanielstolemysanity · 06/07/2025 13:23

KeepTalkingBeth · 06/07/2025 13:14

I think there's like more @AWanderingFool as they seem to exhibit a pattern of deceitful behaviour. I wonder if they moved to quiet, small North Wales town in order to leave something unsavoury behind back in England. In terms of fraud skills I imagine you don't go from a blameless existence to almost getting away with embezzling your employer out of £64k overnight.

Agree. They've moved around a lot. I expect there is a lot more to this story

Aspanielstolemysanity · 06/07/2025 13:23

Comet33 · 06/07/2025 13:19

Just be careful trying to find their children while posting on a social media site like here - it veers close to doxxing

I also don't think its fair to their children to br subjected to publicity and amateur investigations because of the actions of their parents. This press must be awful for them.

Agree. The children have chosen privacy. I think they are entitled to that

Uricon2 · 06/07/2025 13:24

I'm staggered they thought they could get away with it longterm, especially with all the publicity for a major film.

I have the feeling there is a great deal more to come out.

SlightlyTooMuch · 06/07/2025 13:25

Abhannmor · 06/07/2025 11:43

I know exactly what you mean. But then I am a cynical twat and sometimes , like Gillian Anderson' s old sparring partner Fox Mulder , I want to believe. Living in County Cork I have developed an aversion to old vaguely hippy blow ins. I know this is illogical and most of them are decent old skins. There's just the odd fraud with a nose ring telling you how to be a druid or whatever.
Explorers are equally annoying imo. In fact my book club thinks I'm a bit of a wet blanket because I'm not in awe of some survivalist who can live on insects and gravel. Actually I feel a book coming on....

😀
I know exactly the type you’re taking about…

I think people are labouring under a delusion about publishers, fact-checking, and ‘due diligence’. This wasn’t a book written to advocate a particular treatment for a disease — ‘Do this and you’ll be cured!’ Or a history, based on credible sources about events that objectively happened. It was presented as a memoir, a subjective account of events in someone’s own life. The commissioning editor’s main concern is ‘Will this sell?’

The main concern of Penguin RH’s legal team would have been ‘Is anyone this book presents negatively going to bring a lawsuit against us?’ They will have gone over the text with a finetooth comb to check whether the ‘friend’ whose business the couple supposedly invested in was identifiable, but @EnidSpyton is right. Publishers don’t ’fact check’ memoirs because they’re presented as ‘Here’s my version of what happened’.

As I said on the other thread, a friend of mine published a memoir with a big UK publisher recently, and despite it presenting horrifying events, the legal department was only really interested in whether a mention of a practice associated with someone high profile was potentially actionable. Verifying would, in any case, have been practically impossible in her case.

Which is not to say Penguin RH aren’t in a pickle in the same way they were when James Frey’s drug rehab memoir A Million Little Pieces was outed as ‘heavily embellished’. They offered a refund to anyone who could prove they’d bought a copy before the revelations, on the assumption that it was non-fiction.

I imagine the book will continue to sell, but will be re-labelled. Actually, some ‘fake’ memoirs that have been long outed continue to sell. Go Ask Alice (supposed real diary of a teenage runaway and drug addict’) was written by a middle-aged Mormon and still sells.

Tedsshed · 06/07/2025 13:28

Comet33 · 06/07/2025 13:14

I don't know much about raffling houses, can someone explain what the outcome would have been if someone had won their house while it outstanding debts against?

Would the winner have been liable for the debts?
Would the raffle just be null & void?

Not a lawyer but married to one and mother of another.

I'd venture that the original set-up of the raffle would have been illegal because the house wasn't theirs outright to give away and therefore there was no hope of anyone ever winning it.

Given their behaviour in other areas, I'm guessing that there was never the promised prize draw, and so everyone who'd participated would just be left assuming they hadn't won. It would be interesting to know whether they did declare a winner, and who that winner was and what happened next.

Setting up a raffle for a prize that no one could win seems a pretty clear fraud to me. I hope that somewhere the police and lawyers are on it. If the Winns/ Taylors are now worth millions, they're worth pursuing!

Plasticwaste · 06/07/2025 13:29

The real story sounds more interesting, tbh.

Everything I know about this book has been against my will, which is why my spidey senses tingled just looking at the cover. A brand new author with a huge publisher, this book suddenly everywhere? A long walk curing a degenerative health condition? Nah, there's something deeper going on.

AWanderingFool · 06/07/2025 13:32

Tedsshed · 06/07/2025 13:28

Not a lawyer but married to one and mother of another.

I'd venture that the original set-up of the raffle would have been illegal because the house wasn't theirs outright to give away and therefore there was no hope of anyone ever winning it.

Given their behaviour in other areas, I'm guessing that there was never the promised prize draw, and so everyone who'd participated would just be left assuming they hadn't won. It would be interesting to know whether they did declare a winner, and who that winner was and what happened next.

Setting up a raffle for a prize that no one could win seems a pretty clear fraud to me. I hope that somewhere the police and lawyers are on it. If the Winns/ Taylors are now worth millions, they're worth pursuing!

I really hope someone out there has proof they bought a ticket for this "raffle".

Sally and Tim should face criminal charges for something at least since she got away with the embezzlement. That alone would usually give someone a criminal record!

SlightlyTooMuch · 06/07/2025 13:32

AWanderingFool · 06/07/2025 12:50

I also wonder about them taking the loan out to pay off the embezzlement and making Martin Hemming (the employer she stole from) sign a non didclosure agreement just to guarantee he got his money back.

I suppose it's legal, but it's very dodgy practice from her.

Also there's a big difference between the £64,000 and the £100,000... what did she do with the remaining £36,000???

The ‘loan’ was to cover the amount she had stolen plus both sides’ legal fees, so I assume that’s what brought it up to £100k.

Though I agree that the unnamed London distant relative’s loan of £100k at 18% interest, and that debt being sold on when his business collapsed, doesn’t sound like the action of the kind of altruistic type who declared ‘No relative of mine is going to jail!’

AveriltheAvidReader · 06/07/2025 13:32

Gallivanterer · 06/07/2025 13:07

Its noticeable in that video how she has quite a rushed, gushing pace when she talks and then very clearly slows when she talks about Moths mobility

she looks very uncomfortable in the video like someone who is not used to any public speaking or being on camera.

Shifty glances to the camera, hesitant or gushy speech.

I don't know whether to give my book to a charity shop (seems a bit 'off' that anyone would buy it if all of this is true) or chuck it in the paper recycling bin.

BangersAndGnash · 06/07/2025 13:32

Tedsshed · 06/07/2025 13:28

Not a lawyer but married to one and mother of another.

I'd venture that the original set-up of the raffle would have been illegal because the house wasn't theirs outright to give away and therefore there was no hope of anyone ever winning it.

Given their behaviour in other areas, I'm guessing that there was never the promised prize draw, and so everyone who'd participated would just be left assuming they hadn't won. It would be interesting to know whether they did declare a winner, and who that winner was and what happened next.

Setting up a raffle for a prize that no one could win seems a pretty clear fraud to me. I hope that somewhere the police and lawyers are on it. If the Winns/ Taylors are now worth millions, they're worth pursuing!

That's if anyone bought the self-published, self-publicised raffle linked book. Wth no T&C, legal small print etc.

Which it is fully possible that they didn't.

Peridot1 · 06/07/2025 13:33

I read the first book and really enjoyed it although did wonder as to how and what had really gone on to lead to them losing the house etc. I suspected there might be either more to it then met the eye or they couldn’t talk about it. Read the second book and didn’t really enjoy that. Just seemed like she was flogging a dead horse a bit. Don’t think I realised there was a third book.

I wonder if the children don’t want anything to do with it all as they know it was all lies and more to the point why and what had really happened.

Aspanielstolemysanity · 06/07/2025 13:33

AWanderingFool · 06/07/2025 13:16

Apparently she told them that she'd lost her previous job, I'm now wondering how much of a cloud she left under...

Same ....

cakeorwine · 06/07/2025 13:34

Uricon2 · 06/07/2025 13:24

I'm staggered they thought they could get away with it longterm, especially with all the publicity for a major film.

I have the feeling there is a great deal more to come out.

This - I heard their story on Radio 4 a while ago - I think it was media show?

If you are going to have film about your life, with a major Hollywood star, then secrets aren't going to stay hidden.

But I guess they have their money now.

VirginaGirl · 06/07/2025 13:34

Doesn’t surprise me at all. Always thought there was more to the reason for the house repossession.

Comet33 · 06/07/2025 13:35

Tedsshed · 06/07/2025 13:28

Not a lawyer but married to one and mother of another.

I'd venture that the original set-up of the raffle would have been illegal because the house wasn't theirs outright to give away and therefore there was no hope of anyone ever winning it.

Given their behaviour in other areas, I'm guessing that there was never the promised prize draw, and so everyone who'd participated would just be left assuming they hadn't won. It would be interesting to know whether they did declare a winner, and who that winner was and what happened next.

Setting up a raffle for a prize that no one could win seems a pretty clear fraud to me. I hope that somewhere the police and lawyers are on it. If the Winns/ Taylors are now worth millions, they're worth pursuing!

Thank you :)

I suppose they hoped to earn enough in ticket sales to pay off their debts & give something for the prize draw but they'd have had to have sold hundreds of thousands of tickets to do so!

(Or am I still being naive & they'd have just pocketed the money??)

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